E36M3 #3558

Friday, January 23, 2004 14:10:17

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? - from Stephen Ayers
#2. Re: Weekend @ Sebring - from Vern Anderson
#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Failed Emissions....Now What?? - from Sam Yazdani
#4. Re: [E36M3] UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9's now available - from twisty M3
#5. pss9 woes - from Kit Wetzler
#6. RE: UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9/sway bar - from Vince Leo
#7. Control arms - E30 vs 1995 M3 - from Chip Mitchell
#8. RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? - from Jim Bassett
#9. Re: [E36M3] pss9 woes - from Mark Dadgar
#10. sway bar sizes, e36 M3 and PSS9 - from Dorffer, Rich

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? - from Stephen Ayers
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:40:45 -0500 From: "Stephen Ayers" <sayer@ayersnet.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? MA Shaw has a Lexan windshield - http://www.mashaw.com/html/product_info_BMW.html -Steve -----Original Message----- From: KLchmn@aol.com [mailto:KLchmn@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:57 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:48:37 EST From: KLchmn@aol.com Subject: Windshield -- which brand to buy? Gruppe, My race car needs a new windshield. It's pretty pitted up and the new rules don't allow that. Any suggestions? Remember, it's a race car so it will take a few impacts from rocks and other debris on a regular basis. Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#2. Re:  Weekend @ Sebring - from Vern Anderson
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:55:10 -0500 From: "Vern Anderson" <vernon_anderson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Weekend @ Sebring Rey, I'll be there - silver 98 E36 M3, Pennsylvania plates, towing a dual-rack tire trailer. I'm shooting to be there at about 5-6 pm. Weather looks awesome for the weekend, 70 and sunny tomorrow and 78 and partly sunny Sunday. Can't wait! Vern Anderson ****************************************** Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:29:35 -0800 (PST) From: Reynaldo K Tong <chinesebmw@yahoo.com> Subject: Weekend @ Sebring Anyone is going to be there? Rey

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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Failed Emissions....Now What?? - from Sam Yazdani
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:26:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Yazdani <yazdonut@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Failed Emissions....Now What?? I knew it!! Congrats. In CA the new dyno smog test has a high fail rate. If you listen to the shop that smogged your car they are always going to tell you to replace something..i.e cats, spark plugs, etc. Glad we have the M3 community to avoid those hurdles.. Sam 95 M3 "emma" 152K --- "Wesley A. Nicolas" <wes@nicolas.org> wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:13:28 -0500 (EST) > From: "Wesley A. Nicolas" <wes@nicolas.org> > Subject: RE: Failed Emissions....Now What?? > > I wanted to thank all those who gave suggestions on > how I > should pass emission...it ranged from replace the > cat, clean > air filter, change plugs, to just get the car really > hot. > > Being a cheapskate, I just drove the car around for > 40 > minutes and revved the car at 2000 RPM for 20 > minutes while > I waited in line and it PASSED WITH FLYING COLORS > (even with > the temp at 19 degress F outside!). > > I told the attendant to not let up on the gas > quickly (could > lead to excess HC readings from unburnt fuel) so he > said he > would just do the test in 2nd gear. I looked at my > previous > failed test and the attendant shifted gears between > the 15 > MPH test and the 25 MPH test so that might have been > the > problem. > > Just for reference, car is a 1995 M3 with 139,000 > miles, O2 > sensor is 20K miles old, plugs are 15K miles old, > with a > clean JC Cold Air Intake. > > Moral of the story = Just be sure you car is good > and hot > before doing the emissions test......thanks for > everyone's > help and comments! > > Wes > '95 M3 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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#4. Re: [E36M3] UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9's now available - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:32:20 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9's now available And I have no problem with my Bilstein shocks/struts w/H&R Sport springs on my '99M3. I guess the old "YMMV" applies here. Jonathan L. >From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > >>Just say 'NO' to all Bilstein products for E36M3. >> > >That's a bit extreme. For example, their Group N shocks are pretty >awesome. > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1

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#5. pss9 woes - from Kit Wetzler
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:25:32 -0800 From: Kit Wetzler <kitwetzler@mindspring.com> Subject: pss9 woes > My point is that if you choose your spring rates appropriately, it's not > an issue. Try finding a standard spring that will fit the PSS9. Bzzzz. This combination produces massive oversteer. I'm surprised bilstein even recommends it... (they pretty much don't, by denying warranty coverage) -kit, who also doesn't like the 10-15mm spacer required.

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#6. RE: UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9/sway bar - from Vince Leo
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: UPDATE: Bilstein PSS9/sway bar Can you weld a tab on the Bilstein PSS9 strut assembly? I know Ground Control sells the tabs. I did this on my old race car (e30 91 318is). This would keep the stock mounting points in tack. ===== Vince BMP Design Racing #85 ITS/JP __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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#7. Control arms - E30 vs 1995 M3 - from Chip Mitchell
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:33:09 -0500 From: Chip Mitchell <chipm@uga.edu> Subject: Control arms - E30 vs 1995 M3 I was poking around under my mom's convertible the other day, and from what I can tell the E30 steel control arms are dimensionally identical to my 1995 M3 control arms. But, they costs half as much. What is the difference? Thanks, Chip Mitchell

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:44:38 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield -- which brand to buy? > My race car needs a new windshield. It's pretty pitted up and the new > rules don't allow that. > > Any suggestions? Remember, it's a race car so it will take a few > impacts from rocks and other debris on a regular basis. First, for those that suggested it, Lexan is not legal in the class Kirk runs in (CCA Stock). I don't have a particular brand suggestion for the race car, I would get an inexpensive one. This won't be the last windshield you put on the car :-) FWIW, I have a PPG windshield on the M3 (4th one) and I like it. It seems a bit more resistant to chips than the previous ones, so if I had to recommend a brand, I'd say PPG. I put a new one in the race car a bit over a year ago, I don't recall the brand. It's already take 2 rock hits, that I've had filled. Hope that helps, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - ready for the first race of the season this weekend, woohoo!

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#9. Re: [E36M3] pss9 woes - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:48:59 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] pss9 woes On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Kit Wetzler wrote: > > My point is that if you choose your spring rates appropriately, it's > not > > an issue. > > > Try finding a standard spring that will fit the PSS9. Bzzzz. > Ahh. I didn't realize that it's a non-standard spring size. I figured it was a standard racing coilover. Stupid. > This combination produces massive oversteer. I'm surprised bilstein > even recommends it... (they pretty much don't, by denying warranty > coverage) Sounds like an auto-x setup to me. :) > -kit, who also doesn't like the 10-15mm spacer required. > Go figure. - Mark

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#10. sway bar sizes, e36 M3 and PSS9 - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:01:57 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: sway bar sizes, e36 M3 and PSS9 Jay Morris wrote > > Somebody double check my math. Using a 13 inch long control arm (center of > ball joint to center of ball joint) with a distance of 7 inches from inner > pivot to the e36 (not M3) sway bar pickup, my math sez that moving a 23mm > sway bar from the strut to the control arm would be like installing a > 16.87mm front sway bar. I think I'm correct. > I mathed using the motion ratio. (I figure if "party" is a verb, and > "track" is now a verb, then "math" should be a verb to. Please call Faith > Popcorn and let her know) Alrighty, you asked... Stock sway bar on an E36 M3 (<=1995) is 22.5 mm. So 22.5 x 22.5 = 506.25 Then take 506.25 / 7 x 13 = 940.2 Then take the square root of the 940.2 and come up with 30.7 mm. So, for the sway bar to be as effective on the inner control arm point of 7 inches from the inner ball joint, the sway bar would have to be 30.7 mm versus 22.5 mm 13 inches from the inner ball joint. One more way, take 22.5 x 22.5 = 506.25 if mounted 7 inches from the inner ball joint. 506.25 x 7 / 13 = 272.6 272.6 square root is 16.5mm. Therefore, a 22.5 mm sway bar connected 7 inches from the inner ball joint would only have to be 16.5 mm if connected 13 inches from the inner ball joint on the strut. A quick look at the 23 mm sway bar used on the 1996+ M3s results in 16.87 mm as you stated in your post. No worries Jay, you seem to have this math stuff figured out and might even know a thing or two about suspensions... :-) Regards, Rich - likes Bilsteins in the proper application....but not the PSS9s.

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