E36M3 #3580

Wednesday, February 04, 2004 09:10:27

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#1. Re: smoked signals - from HyperM3@aol.com
#2. VaNoS DiP - from Steve Klein
#3. RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from Zack Steinkamp
#4. help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? - from Shelhart2@aol.com
#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from NickG
#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from Zack Steinkamp
#7. RE: [E36M3] Front turn signals - from Newman, Christopher
#8. Re: [E36M3] help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? - from Jay W. Hudson
#9. Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? - from Msebmwman@aol.com
#10. Re: [E36M3] Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? - from DocWyte

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#1. Re: smoked signals - from HyperM3@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 20:04:58 -0500 From: HyperM3@aol.com Subject: Re: smoked signals For what its worth, smoked signals are only a spray paint away. I purchased an actual can of lens tint at pep boys and smoked all of my factory lenses:corner, side, and rear. Everything came out great and theres no loss in light. However dmv didnt pass me for the front corners so i had to buy a pair of stock to replace to pass. Oddly enough, the next yr they didnt fail me for that but for an aftermarket shiftknob that had no gear select indicators. Go figure. Either way, if you want smoked clear or amber lenses thats my solution. Alex "HyperM3 Demsky 97 S/C M3 ~ http://hometown.aol.com/hyperm3/Bimmer.html

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#2. VaNoS DiP - from Steve Klein
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:42:54 -0600 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: VaNoS DiP Are these dyno charts for N/A or forced induction engines, and with what mods? The first thought that occured to me when seeing those dips was the fuel map needing fine tuning for the mods at the VaNoS switch over. Stock engines (or Jim C'd engines) that I remember seeing graphs on are rather smooth in comparison. Just curious, Steve <snip> But in the real world we're also looking for good part-throttle engine characteristics, and that's not something that shows up on dyno runs. This kind of good drivability is one of the things that makes JimC software so effective. </snap>

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#3. RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 18:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so --- "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > Chris - The scales are a bit different so it is > difficult to compare. But you are correct, the low > end losses don't seem as significant as have been > alluded. > > http://eurosporthighperformance.com/images/dyno/sb52cams.gif the above dyno chart was shifted up 500 rpms for some strange reason. torque and hp curves MUST ALWAYS cross at 5252 rpm. this deceptive chart has them crossing at ~5750. -zs (always on the lookout for dyno foolery... remember last year: http://nobot.2y.net/m3/dyno_orig.jpg http://nobot.2y.net/m3/dyno_shifted.jpg )

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#4. help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? - from Shelhart2@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:50:45 EST From: Shelhart2@aol.com Subject: help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? I have had this nagging sound at around 80-85 mph while turning around 3.5-4.5k rpms that has been driving me nuts. I perceiev it is there at lower spedds as well but not as pronounced. I finally tore out the back compartment, sat in the trunk while someone else drove (don't try at home kids). The "rattle" was quite pronounced and was coming from directly over the exhaust (Dinan). I perceive a slight loss of power when this happens but it may just be the noise playing tricks on my head and no real power loss. Data points: The exhaust is in excellent condition. I hit the exhaust with my hand and heard no rattles (ceramic broken, etc.). The fit is perfect and it is not rubbing on a support or the body in any way. The catalytic converter is new (I convinced myself and the dealer this was my problem ) The car just turned 86k Does the heat shield start to degrade over time and the lower exhaust note makes it rattle?? Is there something else that I'm missing? Shel 98 M3

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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from NickG
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:08:59 -0500 From: "NickG" <nick@tech-nick.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so Zack, I think you might need to look a little closer at the Eurosport dyno sheet. If you'll notice, the hp and torque scales aren't equal. Thus, the graphs won't intersect *visually* at 5252rpm. But if you read off the actual hp and torque values at 5252rpm, you'll see that the numbers are equal. Eurosport has no need to fake graphs. Their stuff works. Plain and simple. Otherwise they wouldn't produce or sell it. (maybe you owe them an apology :) Nick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Steinkamp" <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so > http://eurosporthighperformance.com/images/dyno/sb52cams.gif > > the above dyno chart was shifted up 500 rpms for some > strange reason. torque and hp curves MUST ALWAYS > cross at 5252 rpm. this deceptive chart has them > crossing at ~5750. > > -zs > (always on the lookout for dyno foolery... remember > last year: > http://nobot.2y.net/m3/dyno_orig.jpg > http://nobot.2y.net/m3/dyno_shifted.jpg > )

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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: s50 intake manifold loses low end? I don't think so correct you are nick! apologies to eurosport. my assumption was suprising to me, as i have entrusted my car's performance to them in numerous ways. however, shame on them for making such a lousy decision to use to very similar scales on one graph. alternate scales are really only useful when two sets of data have a vastly different range. maybe i should send my letter of apology along with a copy of: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/books_vdqi sorry guys ... i'll go climb back in my cave now. zs --- NickG <nick@tech-nick.net> wrote: > Zack, > > I think you might need to look a little closer at > the Eurosport dyno sheet. > If you'll notice, the hp and torque scales aren't > equal. Thus, the graphs > won't intersect *visually* at 5252rpm. But if you > read off the actual hp and > torque values at 5252rpm, you'll see that the > numbers are equal. > > Eurosport has no need to fake graphs. Their stuff > works. Plain and simple. > Otherwise they wouldn't produce or sell it. > > (maybe you owe them an apology :) > > Nick

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#7. RE: [E36M3] Front turn signals - from Newman, Christopher
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:05:57 -0500 From: "Newman, Christopher" <CNewman@LSAC.org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Front turn signals Thanks Scott, I'm considering doing exactly that. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:50:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Front turn signals > > I've seen posts for used amber corner lenses very > regularly, in fact if you were to post "Wanted: amber > corner lamp" up on bimmerforums, Turner, roadfly, etc > I'm sure you'd get tons of responses. People who > switch to clear/smoke/crystal are letting their old > stock ambers go for a fraction of a what a new set > costs from the dealer. >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 06:31:51 -0800 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? Might be a stretch. But, while looking for a noise under the left rear of my '97 M3/2, I found that there's a cable that goes through a hole or bracket or grommet or ???? I think it's the e-brake cable but can't remember for sure. It's been a while ago. Seems to me it's near the heat shield, forward of the diff. Anyway, I found that if I wiggled the cable, it would slap against the floor pan or something, making a noise similar to what I was looking for. So, I took a piece of plastic hose (flexible, like fuel line) and wedged it through the grommet, keeping the cable from wiggling. I kept it in place with a zip tie. It still allows the cable to move. But, just not flop around in there. Might be your answer. Jay > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 21:50:45 EST > From: Shelhart2@aol.com > Subject: help.. exhaust heat shield noise?? > > I have had this nagging sound at around 80-85 mph while turning around > 3.5-4.5k rpms that has been driving me nuts. I perceiev it is there at lower spedds > as well but not as pronounced. I finally tore out the back compartment, sat > in the trunk while someone else drove (don't try at home kids). The "rattle" > was quite pronounced and was coming from directly over the exhaust (Dinan). I > perceive a slight loss of power when this happens but it may just be the > noise playing tricks on my head and no real power loss. > > Data points: > The exhaust is in excellent condition. > I hit the exhaust with my hand and heard no rattles (ceramic broken, etc.). > The fit is perfect and it is not rubbing on a support or the body in any way. > > The catalytic converter is new (I convinced myself and the dealer this was my > problem ) > The car just turned 86k > > Does the heat shield start to degrade over time and the lower exhaust note > makes it rattle?? Is there something else that I'm missing? > > Shel > 98 M3 >

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#9. Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:49:27 EST From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? All; When the airbag steering wheel is removed from an E36M3 and an aftermarket Momo wheel is put on, what stock parts are left over and come off with that steering wheel exchange? Should I be left with the aribag steering wheel only because the other parts are reinstalled with the Momo steering wheel, or are there other additional parts that may be left over? I want to reinstall my airbag steering wheel and am wondering if I need anything more than just the steering wheel with airbag that is in my possession. Thanks, Marc 95M3

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? - from DocWyte
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 06:58:22 -0800 (PST) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Removal of air bag steering wheel: what parts come off? You should be able to just pull off the momo wheel and hub and reinstall your stock steering wheel and airbag. Unless you wired past the SRS computer you may have to reset the SRS computer with the bmw tool or new Peake Research tool once you get the steering wheel in place. -josh --- Msebmwman@aol.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 09:49:27 EST > From: Msebmwman@aol.com > Subject: Removal of air bag steering wheel: what > parts come off? > > All; > > When the airbag steering wheel is removed from an > E36M3 and an aftermarket > Momo wheel is put on, what stock parts are left over > and come off with that > steering wheel exchange? > > Should I be left with the aribag steering wheel only > because the other parts > are reinstalled with the Momo steering wheel, or are > there other additional > parts that may be left over? > > I want to reinstall my airbag steering wheel and am > wondering if I need > anything more than just the steering wheel with > airbag that is in my possession. > > Thanks, > Marc > 95M3 > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

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