E36M3 #3602

Thursday, February 19, 2004 17:15:25

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Porterfield Brake pads....where to buy? - from Chad Armstrong
#2. Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Neil Maller
#3. Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) - from Dorffer, Rich
#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Eric Giles
#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Chester Wong
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Neil Maller
#7. Re: [E36M3] Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from arionatof@comcast.net
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Chester Wong
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Eric Giles

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#1. Porterfield Brake pads....where to buy? - from Chad Armstrong
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 13:42:29 -0800 From: Chad Armstrong <caarmstrong@epicor.com> Subject: Porterfield Brake pads....where to buy? Hi All, Who is the dealer that sells Porterfield pads with the E36M3 List discount. Thanks, Chad Armstrong

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#2. Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:59:00 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. on 2/19/04 4:34 PM, Bill Steele <autoxcrazy@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm planning on replacing the rear shocks (Koni sport - yellow), shock mounts > (e46 mounts w/reinforcement plates), front struts (Koni inserts), and rear > trailing arm bushings (OEM bushings w/Turner reinforcement kit). I plan to > buy the Koni strut socket tool and maybe the RTAB tool sold by Victory > Productst. > Are there issues getting access through this hole to tighten the nut? You loosen and tighten the nut with the strut off the car. > Will the adjustment tool fit in there w/o issue? Not really, but Victory has just come out with a handy little tool for that, too. See: http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm Neil 96 M3

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#3. Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:17:42 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) > At $250 per sensor, replacing 4 sensor is a painful process. You can buy new Bosch sensors for $100 each. Regards, Rich

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#4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Eric Giles
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:14:41 -0600 From: Eric Giles <egiles@c-gate.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. > > >>Are there issues getting access through this hole to tighten the nut? >> >> > >You loosen and tighten the nut with the strut off the car. > > > >>Will the adjustment tool fit in there w/o issue? >> >> > >Not really, but Victory has just come out with a handy little tool for that, >too. See: http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm > >Neil >96 M3 > > > A few months ago I installed the Koni struts/shocks on my '97 M3/4. I purchased the tool from Victory Design which works like a charm when removing the factory struts, but I could not get it to work right installing the Koni's. The Koni's have a small 'nut' in the center where the adjuster is instead of the hex head of the stock struts have. This 'nut' is a bit too tall to allow the VD socket to work. If the socket was a deep well it would work fine. When it came to this part I just tightened the main nut the best I could before I uncompressed the spring. I don't know how much torque I was able to apply, but it was not as much as I wanted. This has bothered me since I installed the Koni's due to the fact that I know have some clunking from the front suspension over certain bumps, and I am thinking it is due to the fact I was not able to properly torque those nuts. I plan to pull the strut housings out again and re-torque, but I want to know exactly what type of socket I need to get so that they can be properly tightened. If anyone has any suggestions they are greatly appreciated. BTW-I just joined the group last week-so far it is very informative! Thanks- Eric Giles '97 M3/4 '90 M3

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:32:01 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. Go to Sears and pick yourself up a 1/2 drive deep socket that will accomodate the nut. Grind flats into it so you can use a 1" or whatever the size is open ended wrench. Now you'll be able to fit a 3/8" socket with extension through the 1/2" socket and use that whole assembly to tighten the nut. FWIW, Chester --- Eric Giles <egiles@c-gate.net> wrote: > This has bothered me since I installed the Koni's due to the fact that I > know have some clunking from the front suspension over certain bumps, > and I am thinking it is due to the fact I was not able to properly > torque those nuts. I plan to pull the strut housings out again and > re-torque, but I want to know exactly what type of socket I need to get > so that they can be properly tightened. If anyone has any suggestions > they are greatly appreciated. =====

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. on 2/19/04 5:14 PM, Eric Giles at egiles@c-gate.net wrote: > A few months ago I installed the Koni struts/shocks on my '97 M3/4. I > purchased the tool from Victory Design which works like a charm when > removing the factory struts, but I could not get it to work right > installing the Koni's. Ahah! If you check Victory's web site, you'll see that they now have a version specifically for use with Konis. This is a new product, and wasn't available when you bought yours. See: http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm item 6 on that page. Immediately below it is their Koni shock adjuster tool, which gets around the clearance problem with the offset hat. (I should add that I have no connection with Victory, other than as a satisfied customer.) Neil 96 M3

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:36:23 -0500 From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oxygen Sensors (Help Car won't warm up) I believe your local mechanic will charge for labor to install the O2 sensor. I am not surprised the cost is $250 per sensor if you had a mechanic do it. Ask me how I know. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 ------------------------------ RDORFFER@CleIndians.com writes: > > At $250 per sensor, replacing 4 sensor is a painful > process. > > You can buy new Bosch sensors for $100 each. > > Regards, > > Rich

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from arionatof@comcast.net
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:39:11 +0000 From: arionatof@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. Eric, I installed Konis on my 98 M3/4 last fall and I haven't experienced any clunk from the front suspension. I used the instruction from: http://www.brazeauracing.com/struttool.htm to build the customized tightening too. However, instead of using a straight 15/16 wrench, I bought a 15/16 crowfoot wrench (as described by Ron Stygar in unofficial BMW) so that I could attach a torque wrench on it. With the help of a friend, I was able to tighten it to the correct spec. HTH, -Johnny 98 M3/4 74K > A few months ago I installed the Koni struts/shocks on my '97 M3/4. I > purchased the tool from Victory Design which works like a charm when > removing the factory struts, but I could not get it to work right > installing the Koni's. The Koni's have a small 'nut' in the center where > the adjuster is instead of the hex head of the stock struts have. This > 'nut' is a bit too tall to allow the VD socket to work. If the socket > was a deep well it would work fine. When it came to this part I just > tightened the main nut the best I could before I uncompressed the > spring. I don't know how much torque I was able to apply, but it was not > as much as I wanted. > > This has bothered me since I installed the Koni's due to the fact that I > know have some clunking from the front suspension over certain bumps, > and I am thinking it is due to the fact I was not able to properly > torque those nuts. I plan to pull the strut housings out again and > re-torque, but I want to know exactly what type of socket I need to get > so that they can be properly tightened. If anyone has any suggestions > they are greatly appreciated. > > BTW-I just joined the group last week-so far it is very informative! > > Thanks- > > Eric Giles > '97 M3/4 > '90 M3

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. I usually tighten to good and f-n tight. I push while Wayne pulls and we do this until either one of us is about to fall over. I guess in theory, you'd be able to reverse the torque wrench and use that to hold the 11m nut on the inside and use that to torque.... Chester --- arionatof@comcast.net wrote: > to build the customized tightening too. However, instead of using a > straight 15/16 wrench, I bought a 15/16 crowfoot wrench (as described by Ron > Stygar in unofficial BMW) so that I could attach a torque wrench on it. With > the help of a friend, I was able to tighten it to the correct spec. =====

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Eric Giles
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:48:14 -0600 From: Eric Giles <egiles@c-gate.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. Neil Maller wrote: >Ahah! If you check Victory's web site, you'll see that they now have a >version specifically for use with Konis. This is a new product, and wasn't >available when you bought yours. See: >http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm >item 6 on that page. Immediately below it is their Koni shock adjuster tool, >which gets around the clearance problem with the offset hat. > > > Well I'll be-yep, that is exactly what I needed 5 months ago! At the time I was reassembling everything, it was 1AM, 30 degrees outside, and I was lying on cold concrete. I was just ready to get it back together! I will now take it apart and do it right this time. >(I should add that I have no connection with Victory, other than as a >satisfied customer.) > > Same here-the stuff is a bit pricey, but seems to be of high quality. If anyone wants to purchase the VD socket to remove the stock struts let me know. Thanks to everyone for your very quick responses! Eric Giles '97 M3/4 '90 M3

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