E36M3 #3607

Sunday, February 22, 2004 21:55:16

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Martin Bullen
#2. FS: TC Kline Camber Plates - from David Holeman
#3. question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from Hunt Hodgetts
#4. why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Hunt Hodgetts
#5. trunk lock problem - from Bruce
#6. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Martin Bullen
#7. RE: [E36M3] question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from Michael Lawrence
#8. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Robert Chay
#9. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Martin Bullen
#10. Re: Shock torque - CORRECTION - from kim.burgess@att.net

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:06:31 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. The Koni spec is 37 ft. lbs (assuming I'm remembering correctly that the nut is an M12 thread). Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Feb 19, 2004, at 5:44 PM, Neil Maller wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:33:02 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Installing new Koni inserts and shocks. > > on 2/19/04 5:14 PM, Eric Giles at egiles@c-gate.net wrote: > >> A few months ago I installed the Koni struts/shocks on my '97 M3/4. I >> purchased the tool from Victory Design which works like a charm when >> removing the factory struts, but I could not get it to work right >> installing the Koni's. > > Ahah! If you check Victory's web site, you'll see that they now have a > version specifically for use with Konis. This is a new product, and > wasn't > available when you bought yours. See: > http://victoryproductdesign.com/tools_main.htm > item 6 on that page. Immediately below it is their Koni shock adjuster > tool, > which gets around the clearance problem with the offset hat. > > (I should add that I have no connection with Victory, other than as a > satisfied customer.) > > Neil > 96 M3 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#2. FS:  TC Kline Camber Plates - from David Holeman
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:56:04 -0500 From: "David Holeman" <dHoleman@racepad.com> Subject: FS: TC Kline Camber Plates Hi, I have a set of used TC Kline E36 camber plates for sale. Nothing wrong with these. They were used in autocross and about 12 drivers schools. They are mechanically and structurally sound. A must have get get full negative camber out of a coilover setup. TC Kline sells these for $550.00 to racers and I am offering these for $350.00. Below is a link to a picture of these and I would be happy to answer any questions. Let me know if you are interested. http://www.racepad.com/classifieds/tc_kline_camber_plates.jpg David Holeman

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#3. question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from Hunt Hodgetts
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Hunt Hodgetts <hhodgetts@yahoo.com> Subject: question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set I saw the following item on ebay: BMW E-36 M3 CSL MOTORSPORT RING & PINION. It is item # 2461383800. Does anyone know how this is different from the stock ring & pinion sets and when someone would want to use the CSL? 97 M3 Coupe __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

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#4. why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Hunt Hodgetts
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Hunt Hodgetts <hhodgetts@yahoo.com> Subject: why use full synthetic oil ?? A customer asked me a question yesterday that I didn't know the answer to and I was hoping one of the list experts could enlighten me. We were discussing the fact that BMW & Mercedes engines require the use of full synthetic motor oil while toyota & other manufacturer's only require regular motor oil. I am aware that that full synthetic motor oil has superior lubricating properties but what is different about the construction or properties of a modern BMW engine that would require full synthetic motor oil? The discussion wasn't about the desire to save a few $$ by using regular motor oil. I was wondering what differences in the engines and oils is significant enough to damage some engines but not others. Any insights would be appreciated. Hunt Hodgetts, Atlanta 97 M3 Coupe, AA supercharger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

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#5. trunk lock problem - from Bruce
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:20:18 -0600 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: trunk lock problem This has happened twice to me now. Today I was opening the trunk with the key. I could not get the key out of the lock mechanism. After a minute or 2 or turning and yanking I finally got it out. This happened a couple months ago. I learned my lesson to not open the trunk with the key, but does anybody have any idea what the deal is? I really don't want to buy a new lock tumbler. I will just unlock the trunk via the door (that is until I figure out where I can get some key key transmitters for the factory alarm with buying the electrical part of it- I just need the plastic case). Thanks, Bruce 95 M3 89 M3 2.5

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#6. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:17:40 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? Probably not so much differences between the engines as in the specified oil change interval (which, at least for BMW, can get pretty lengthy before all the little green lights on the SI go out). Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:54 PM, Hunt Hodgetts wrote: > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:44:18 -0800 (PST) > From: Hunt Hodgetts <hhodgetts@yahoo.com> > Subject: why use full synthetic oil ?? > > A customer asked me a question yesterday that I didn't > know the answer to and I was hoping one of the list > experts could enlighten me. > > We were discussing the fact that BMW & Mercedes > engines require the use of full synthetic motor oil > while toyota & other manufacturer's only require > regular motor oil. > > I am aware that that full synthetic motor oil has > superior lubricating properties but what is different > about the construction or properties of a modern BMW > engine that would require full synthetic motor oil? > > The discussion wasn't about the desire to save a few > $$ by using regular motor oil. I was wondering what > differences in the engines and oils is significant > enough to damage some engines but not others. > > Any insights would be appreciated. > > Hunt Hodgetts, Atlanta > 97 M3 Coupe, AA supercharger > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#7. RE: [E36M3] question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:21:40 -0500 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Hunt Hodgetts [mailto:hhodgetts@yahoo.com] -> I saw the following item on ebay: BMW E-36 M3 CSL -> MOTORSPORT RING & PINION. It is item # 2461383800. -> Does anyone know how this is different from the stock -> ring & pinion sets and when someone would want to use -> the CSL? That seller is MIS representing both CSL items. NEITHER were included in any 'trunk' or 'clubsport' sets etc. The factory LTW chip was the same as any other 95 M3 except it did not have a Top Speed limiter on the chip. The Ring and Pinion was NOT, I repeat, NOT in any trunk kit. The 95 M3 came with a 3.23 diff instead of the normal 95 M3's 3.15. LTW trunk kits included the following. 1. dual sump oil pan 2. Oil pump and dipstick tube for the above 3. LTW spoiler with spacers, cars were delivered with the normal M3 wing from the factory, but several dealers replaced them with the LTW spoiler in the trunk. They would then keep the stock spoiler, install it on a normal M3 and never tell the M3 LTW buyer the difference. OF course, many dealers sold LTWs way below dealer cost, so I guess taking the stock spoiler was no biggie. Every LTW that I know of in the south was sold at $35 k or less when new. The LTW I bought used was sold for $33,000 new after sitting in the dealer show room for 14months. 4. Lower front splitter 5. Upper front strut brace and nuts 6. lower x brace 7. 2 motorsports decal sheets for front left fender, right rear quarter panel. I might be missing something, but that is about it from memory. Mike X 95 M3 LTW

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#8. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Robert Chay
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 From: "Robert Chay" <rclists@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? That just means you're not driving hard enough <g> -Bobby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Bullen" <vze322dw@verizon.net> > > (which, at least for BMW, can get pretty > lengthy before all the little green lights on the SI go out). > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:03:52 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? Hey, I didn't say "does", I said "can". I meant for other folks, of course (list members excluded).... ;-) Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Feb 22, 2004, at 10:04 PM, Robert Chay wrote: > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:48:46 -0500 > From: "Robert Chay" <rclists@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] why use full synthetic oil ?? > > That just means you're not driving hard enough <g> > > -Bobby > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Bullen" <vze322dw@verizon.net> >> >> (which, at least for BMW, can get pretty >> lengthy before all the little green lights on the SI go out). >> >> Martin Bullen >> '95 M3 >> '97 Z3 2.8 >> > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > Taylor Autosport http://www.taylorautosport.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > BMW M3 Specialties http://www.jt-designs.com > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#10. Re: Shock torque - CORRECTION - from kim.burgess@att.net
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:46:21 +0000 From: kim.burgess@att.net Subject: Re: Shock torque - CORRECTION -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:25:09 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Shock torque - CORRECTION on 2/20/04 12:43 PM, a correspondent wrote: > I've been using 47 lb-ft based on the TIS. > Where did you find the 32 lb-ft number? Neil replied - Since both the Koni and stock front dampers use M14 threads, then 64 Nm (47 lb-ft) would surely be the proper value, although this was for some reason omitted from Bentley. I'm reasonably sure that Koni specified some other, lower value, but I don't have their assembly instructions any more, and may be remembering that wrongly. Koni does in fact specify a dirrerent value. I believe the threaded portion of the shaft to be 12mm and that value is....50Mn or 37 ft-lbs. Finished up my cut-n-gut lat night. Six hours and there were some tense moments - the 9/16 bit I purchased was not necked down suficiantly to fit my 1/2 inch drill motor. The the hole I did drill was off center, realized only after the insert uas well seated in the casing! Nothing a 90 deg countersink counldn't correct! The rears are a snap 3 hrs and most of that is removing and reinstalling the carpet and speakers. A word of caution - don't drop your torx driver into your speaker after installing the first fastener. My Koni inserts came with a short nut and a split lock washer, I didn't try to reinstall the nylock. Make sure the spring in compressed sufficiently and that the chamfered washer is correctly oriented against the 'step' in the shaft - this will imoact york stack-up and longevity of the washer/stop. Kim Burgess

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