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#1. 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:11:58 EST From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff I agree with Mike below. There was no such thing as CSL ring and pinion set in the trunk. The diff is a regular old M3 3.23 LSD with 25% lockup as found on 95 automatics and 96+ manuals. A couple of points: Oil pan was a "dual pickup" oil pan to manage high g extended corners. I've never seen an oil pump be part of the "trunk pack" though I didn't get a trunk pack with my car and everything is installed so I can't check. At least out here in the West, when I visited the BMW VPC (vehicle preparation center) in Oxnard in Nov. 2002, I talked to Klaus (yes, that is his name that I understood through heavy accented German) who installed the stickers on the car at the VPC prior to delivery to the dealer. From the information that I have I believe that the splitter was installed by BMW and was not part of the trunk pack. Trunk pack consisted of GT wing with risers, front strut brace, front x brace, and dual pickup oil pan with dipstick tube (the dipstick itself is the same). According to Jim Conforti, some of the LTW chips actually did indeed have a speed limiter, some didn't. But the rest of the LTW chip was identical to the 95M3 chips (think what trouble BMW would have gotten into if they had modified the chip and bypassed EPA when they brought in the LTW). BMW did internally call the 95 M3 LTW a CSL. The CSL owner's manual for the car is proof. Regards, Marc 95M3 CSL for sale Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:21:40 -0500 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Hunt Hodgetts [mailto:hhodgetts@yahoo.com] -> I saw the following item on ebay: BMW E-36 M3 CSL -> MOTORSPORT RING & PINION. It is item # 2461383800. -> Does anyone know how this is different from the stock -> ring & pinion sets and when someone would want to use -> the CSL? That seller is MIS representing both CSL items. NEITHER were included in any 'trunk' or 'clubsport' sets etc. The factory LTW chip was the same as any other 95 M3 except it did not have a Top Speed limiter on the chip. The Ring and Pinion was NOT, I repeat, NOT in any trunk kit. The 95 M3 came with a 3.23 diff instead of the normal 95 M3's 3.15. LTW trunk kits included the following. 1. dual sump oil pan 2. Oil pump and dipstick tube for the above 3. LTW spoiler with spacers, cars were delivered with the normal M3 wing from the factory, but several dealers replaced them with the LTW spoiler in the trunk. They would then keep the stock spoiler, install it on a normal M3 and never tell the M3 LTW buyer the difference. OF course, many dealers sold LTWs way below dealer cost, so I guess taking the stock spoiler was no biggie. Every LTW that I know of in the south was sold at $35 k or less when new. The LTW I bought used was sold for $33,000 new after sitting in the dealer show room for 14months. 4. Lower front splitter 5. Upper front strut brace and nuts 6. lower x brace 7. 2 motorsports decal sheets for front left fender, right rear quarter panel. I might be missing something, but that is about it from memory. Mike X 95 M3 LTW
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#2. RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff - from Michael Lawrence
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:39:30 -0500 From: "Michael Lawrence" <95m3ltw@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff Marc and others, replies below -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Msebmwman@aol.com [mailto:Msebmwman@aol.com] -> I've never seen an oil pump be part of the "trunk pack" -> though I didn't get a -> trunk pack with my car and everything is installed so I can't check. My car came with the oil pan, cover, gasket, a new oil pump with different pickup points or either tubes that attached to the oil pump, I sold the pan and pump thus never installing it. It appears to be different than the stock oil pump. It came enclosed in a bag with bolts, nuts and gaskets in a separate bag. Also came with instructions stating the oil pump had to be installed with the pan. -> At least out here in the West, when I visited the BMW VPC (vehicle -> preparation center) in Oxnard in Nov. 2002, I talked to -> Klaus (yes, that is his name -> that I understood through heavy accented German) who -> installed the stickers on -> the car at the VPC prior to delivery to the dealer. I believe this was just up to the folks prepping the cars. I know of several LTWs delivered with the stickers in the trunk. I also talked to the dealer who sold my car and they installed the stickers there, as there was quite a story about how hard it was and I have noticed differences in LTWs as some have the stickers underneath the M3 badge, some don't. -> From the information that I have I believe that the splitter -> was installed by -> BMW and was not part of the trunk pack. Trunk pack consisted -> of GT wing with -> risers, front strut brace, front x brace, and dual pickup -> oil pan with -> dipstick tube (the dipstick itself is the same). According to the parts list that came with my car, the splitter was not installed and installing it resulted in the new car warranty being voided. It also states the rear wing voids the warranty, basically anything on the trunk parts list voids the warranty. BMW sent this notice to all selling dealers stating they should not install, sell a car with installed parts to customers unless they signed a document acknowledging such voided warranty. > BMW did internally call the 95 M3 LTW a CSL. The CSL owner's -> manual for the -> car is proof. Yes, can agree there as I have the manual somewhere that I need to find to send to the new owner. Mike
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#3. '95 M3 ICV hose and connector part numbers? - from KLchmn@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:10:24 EST From: KLchmn@aol.com Subject: '95 M3 ICV hose and connector part numbers? Gruppe, I'm having trouble locating the part numbers for the idle control valve hose (J-shaped) that connects to the intake manifold. I managed to break one of the two clips that hold it to the manifold when I took it off. Short of going to the dealer, I was hoping that someone might have a part number (or two) for me. I didn't see anything *exactly* like it in the ETK, but perhaps the drawing was oversimplified too much for my brain to process. Thanks, Kirk Lachman Sin City Chapter '95 M3 #21 I-stock, headless for now...
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#4. Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:24:39 EST From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set josh_wyte@yahoo.com writes: > I wouldn't bother with the 3.23, you won't feel much > of a difference from your 3.15. I'd look for a used > 3.38 ('96-'99 M3 automatic) or a 3.46 instead... > > Josh, Thanks for the advice. Yes, I have considered the 3.38. But then I rejected it. I think a 3.38 would be a little too low for highway cruising. I am afraid I would get tired of the engine whine in a hurry. I talked with Rob Hatrak after he swapped the 3.38 for his 3.15. He didn't like it after a while and I think he ended up going to a 3.23 diff. I really think our M3's need an overdrive gear for easy high speed cruising. If I was related to Bill Gates, I would install the Euro 6-speed manual with its 17% overdrive high gear and then a 3.38 or maybe 3.46 rear end. But 6-speed transmissions are obscenely expensive. I remember Bekkers used to list the 6-speed for $6,524. Even used, people want $4K. And that is a crap shoot. I remember Wayne Miller bought a used 6-speed tranny and basically had to spend $2K to rebuild it. Bottom line, 6-speed can't be justified. So, 3.23 is not a huge difference from my 3.15 but I think it is about all I would care for. By the way, I don't think automatic transmissions were available in 1996 nor 1999. Autos were only offered late in the '95 model year and '97-'98. I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong. Greg Bruce?? Lowell Seaton '95 M3 Dallas, Texas
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#5. Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 00:44:17 EST From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] 95 M3 LTW info and CSL chip and diff Mike; Thanks. I'm reading the actual Service Information document dated November 1995, numbered 11 1395 (4302) and signed by Duenzl and Schroth and sent to dealers. I see that I misread part of it. My bad, my apologies. It is indeed an Oil pan and dual pickup oil pump and should be installed after engine break in after 1250 miles. And then inspected and check hydraulic valve adjusters for wear on the tappet surface every 2500 miles!!! And, the oil pump comes with some brackets and pipes and such as well. If you put on oil pan, dual pickup oil pump, front strut upper crossbrace, underbody crossbrace, adjustable GT race rear wing, spacers for GT wing you are in violation of the FMVS Act of 1968 and so the vehicle must be trailered away from the dealer. In addition, use of the parts voids the limited new vehicle warranty. There is mention of the GT front spoiler with adjustable wind splitter and aero underbody panel in the "features" of the car and how it differed from the regular M3. However, there is no mention at all that it voids warranty of the car since it is not listed in the racing purposes only parts. Regards, Marc Anyone want to buy a LTW?? > > > BMW did internally call the 95 M3 LTW a CSL. The CSL owner's > -> manual for the > -> car is proof. > > > Yes, can agree there as I have the manual somewhere that I need to find > to send to the new owner. > > Mike > >
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#6. Power steering fade - from Carl Stilling
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:18:44 +0200 From: "Carl Stilling" <cstilling@frigoglass.co.za> Subject: Power steering fade Hi Guys Newbie here from South Africa, think the forum is GREAT. I have a 98 M3 with a power steering fade when hot. Its fine at idle speed (800rpm) and above when cold and even when water temp is up at normal, but after about 15-20 minutes driving when oil temp is up to normal (90) the power steering is difficult to turn at idle speed. Checked the level OK. Is the pump dying or is the fluid changing viscosity perhaps and needs a full refresh? Anyone experience a similar problem? Any suggestions? Cheers CARL STILLING ########################################### This message has been scanned by F-Secure Anti-Virus for Microsoft Exchange. For more information, connect to http://www.F-Secure.com/
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from DocWyte
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 04:24:34 -0800 (PST) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set Oh, I wouldn't say that. I have a 3.38 in my '95 and don't find it a bother on the freeway at all. It only raises 5th gear rpms by 250, so it's not that big of a deal. 3500 vs 3750 doesn't make a substantial amount of difference in noise etc... -josh --- LoweSeaton@aol.com wrote: -snip- > > Thanks for the advice. Yes, I have considered the > 3.38. But then I rejected > it. I think a 3.38 would be a little too low for > highway cruising. I am > afraid I would get tired of the engine whine in a > hurry. I talked with Rob > Hatrak after he swapped the 3.38 for his 3.15. He > didn't like it after a while and > I think he ended up going to a 3.23 diff. > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
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#8. In search of a cheap diff - from Dorffer, Rich
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:25:13 -0500 From: "Dorffer, Rich" <RDORFFER@CleIndians.com> Subject: In search of a cheap diff > I'm in the middle of a diff project for my '98 M3 and > am in need of a diff case and the side covers. > Unfortunately, no one seems to want to sell me just > those parts, so I'm now looking for a (cheap) diff to > cannibalize. If anyone has or knows of a diff I can > get for minimal cost, I'd greatly appreciate it if you > would let me know. > The diff has to be out of a 6-cylinder E36 (non-Z3). > Open, limited slip, gear ratios, etc. are not Have you contacted Brett Anderson (KMS / KoalaMotorsport) at 440-338-1650 or brett@koalamotorsport.com ? He might have one. Not sure on the cost though. Regards, Rich
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#9. Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:31:09 -0500 From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set Josh, You must have higher speed limits than we have in Texas. :-) 3,500 rpm is about 80 mph in a stock M3. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 - has seen 7,200 rpm with oversized tires and 3.15 diff (you do the math) out is West Texas --------------------------- josh_wyte@yahoo.com writes: > I have a 3.38 in my '95 and > don't find it a bother on the freeway at all. It only > raises 5th gear rpms by 250, so it's not that big of a > deal. 3500 vs 3750 doesn't make a substantial amount > of difference in noise etc... > > -josh
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#10. Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:33:00 -0500 From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about E-36 M3 CSL ring and pinion set Josh, You must have higher speed limits than we have in Texas. :-) 3,500 rpm is about 80 mph in a stock M3. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 - has seen 7,200 rpm with oversized tires and 3.15 diff (you do the math) out is West Texas --------------------------- josh_wyte@yahoo.com writes: > I have a 3.38 in my '95 and > don't find it a bother on the freeway at all. It only > raises 5th gear rpms by 250, so it's not that big of a > deal. 3500 vs 3750 doesn't make a substantial amount > of difference in noise etc... > > -josh