E36M3 #3678

Tuesday, April 06, 2004 22:45:43

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#1. SCCA suspends Kumho V710 eligibility - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns - from Stephen Ayers
#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns - from Neil Maller
#4. Xpel paint protection - from Go, Jeffrey
#5. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Martin Bullen
#6. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlight improvements - from Bob Sutterfield
#7. Sanity Check: Driving someone else's car - was over rev - from Dave Arnold
#8. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Carey Probst
#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Greg Cagle
#10. ZKWs - from Jim Powell

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#1. SCCA suspends Kumho V710 eligibility - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 15:46:09 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: SCCA suspends Kumho V710 eligibility http://www.scca.org/news/press04_57.html "...SCCA is suspending, immediately, the eligibility of the Kumho ECSTA V710 for use in Club Racing and Solo events until further notice." Graeme

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#2. RE: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns - from Stephen Ayers
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:12:52 -0400 From: Stephen Ayers <sayer@ayersnet.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns ASC is always off on the track - ASC kicking in at speed on corners is a great way to get a scare. I have felt fuel starvation before, try Lime Rock with 1/4 a tank... I'm nearly sure this isn't it. Perhaps I should be getting a second fuel pump in any case. -Steve sayer@ayersnet.com From: Neil Maller Sent: Tue 4/6/2004 1:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:28:15 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns on 4/6/04 11:35 AM, Stephen Ayers <sayer@ayersnet.com> wrote: > At CMP this weekend I was experiencing reduced power on the high speed > right-hand turns (note the track doesn't have any sweeping left-handers). The > engine just did not accelerate staying at 4000 RPM until nearly track out at > which case it would pull strong down the straight. The fuel tank was 3/4 > full. It didn't have the feeling of true fuel starvation, i.e., engine > stumbling, momentary complete power loss, etc. Could be fuel starvation, although with that amount of fuel on board you wouldn't think so. Still, sensitivity to that issue varies from car to car. Someone somewhere has to be worst case, and maybe it's you? Another option is that you forgot to turn off ASC+T. Neil 96 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 17:34:19 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Reduced power on high speed right-hand turns on 4/6/04 5:12 PM, Stephen Ayers at sayer@ayersnet.com wrote: > ASC is always off on the track - ASC kicking in at speed on corners is a great > way to get a scare. Oh, you've noticed ;-) Still, we all fail to turn it off every now and again. And then there's that "why is my car down on power?" thing when you find you've been running with the A/C turned on for the last 10 laps... > I have felt fuel starvation before, try Lime Rock with 1/4 a tank... I'm > nearly sure this isn't it. Perhaps I should be getting a second fuel pump in > any case. I have the dual pump kit from Bimmerworld, which is quite effective. Tested it down to about 2.5 gallons with no starvation. Neil 96 M3

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#4. Xpel paint protection - from Go, Jeffrey
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Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 02:01:43 +0200 From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> Subject: Xpel paint protection hi gruppe anyone have any experience, good or bad, of the Xpel paint protection products? i am hating the stone chips I am seeing on my precious black paint on the bumper and hood... thanks

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#5. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:15 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale My experience is similar to Jeffrey's. I "upgraded" to the ZKW ellipsoids with H1's a couple of years ago, and have been disappointed, especially after all the positive reviews. Definitely not what I'd expected, except for the superior beam control/light pattern. High beam is very good, but low beams are marginal. Maybe it's my aging eyes.... Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Apr 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:12:25 +0200 > From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> > Subject: E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > Hi Gruppe > > just upgraded my headlights to the Ellipsoid lights. Still have mixed > feelings.. intensity of lights and discharge is not what I > expected..seems the old lights were stronger..however, the ellipsoids > seem to give out better patterns and the lights are somewhat mellower, > for lack of a better word. Construction-wise, the ellipsoids are much > sturdier, no question. > The nice feature I like is the parking light feature where you have > some kind of a daytime driving light feature.. > > time will tell..

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#6. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlight improvements - from Bob Sutterfield
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 19:20:51 -0600 From: "Bob Sutterfield" <Bob@XC.Org> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlight improvements I don't know the difference in quality between ZKW and Hella optics, but I have never been disappointed with Hellas. The only thing better is Cibie's CSR but that's not available (?) for E36 fitment. Since you like the beam pattern you might consider beefing up your wiring and changing to higher wattage halogen bulbs. Hella E36 lamps take H7 bulbs, which are available in several wattages and lumen output ratings. On my E30 I followed the wiring and relay how-to guide at http://danielsternlighting.com with delightful results. > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bullen [mailto:vze322dw@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:46 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:15 -0400 > From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > My experience is similar to Jeffrey's. I "upgraded" to the ZKW > ellipsoids with H1's a couple of years ago, and have been > disappointed, especially after all the positive reviews. > > Definitely not what I'd expected, except for the superior beam > control/light pattern. High beam is very good, but low beams are > marginal. Maybe it's my aging eyes.... > > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:12:25 +0200 > > From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> > > Subject: E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > > > Hi Gruppe > > > > just upgraded my headlights to the Ellipsoid lights. Still > have mixed > > feelings.. intensity of lights and discharge is not what I > > expected..seems the old lights were stronger..however, the > ellipsoids > > seem to give out better patterns and the lights are > somewhat mellower, > > for lack of a better word. Construction-wise, the > ellipsoids are much > > sturdier, no question. > > The nice feature I like is the parking light feature where you have > > some kind of a daytime driving light feature.. > > > > time will tell..

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#7. Sanity Check:  Driving someone else's car - was over rev - from Dave Arnold
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:35:57 -0400 From: "Dave Arnold" <air2daa@insightbb.com> Subject: Sanity Check: Driving someone else's car - was over rev Ok, this topic has got me thinking back a few months to when I had my car painted. I dropped off the car at the body shop and noted the mileage. When I picked up the car, I noted that for painting the hood, fender and front bumper, they drove quite a bit. The car had an additional six miles on it. Although I didn't exactly like the fact that the body shop drove my car beyond the paint booth and back (especially since it has H&R racing springs and is REALLY low to the ground), I didn't think it was enough to mention, except to a friend after leaving. When I tried to explain my distaste for someone driving my car when I didn't think it was necessary, she thought I was crazy and expects that any time someone does any work to her car that they would take it for a test drive afterwards. I would agree with mechanical work, but my thought is that removing and replacing a bumper doesn't warrant a test drive and that the mechanics went for a joy ride. If anything such as a money shift or other hidden damage occurred, that they surely wouldn't mention it. I'm curious of others thoughts and experiences. Dave A 95 ///M3 "HIOFCR" -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:46 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Overrev Damage - How can you tell? Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:39:16 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Overrev Damage - How can you tell? on 4/6/04 11:35 AM, Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > I've read on somewhere the over-rev codes are not accurate. Well here > it is and btw it worked on my 97M3/4 > http://www.bmw-m.net/TechProc/test.htm Those secret function tests are fun and even useful for the owner, but the dealer's diagnostic computer gives much more detail. You get the max rpm expressed in steps of some hex value, and the operating time at which the over-rev was recorded. Note that this time is NOT the duration of the over-rev incident, but the time at which it occurred counted as running hours from when the ECU recorded the car being put in service. By comparing that with the current hours reading you can tell whether the over-rev was recent or not. I don't recall whether the ECU records multiple over-revs as separate records, or if so how many. (This is based on my very likely less than totally accurate recollection of a JimC post from several years ago. The details may be a bit off but I think the essence of it is right.) BTW, I'd recommend anyone who hasn't had the chance to try and witness a dealer's full diagnostic test, especially of an OBD-II car. You'll be amazed. Neil 96 M3 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#8. RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Carey Probst
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:12:35 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale Or the aiming. I upgraded to the ZKWs about 2 years ago and the difference on low is dramatic. I did notice that they were hard to aim properly for best light but once you get them aimed they are good. On both the M3 and 325 with Euro lights, I needed to aim just a bit higher than before for best results. Upgrading to Hella 100w bulbs doesn't hurt either. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bullen [mailto:vze322dw@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:46 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:15 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale My experience is similar to Jeffrey's. I "upgraded" to the ZKW ellipsoids with H1's a couple of years ago, and have been disappointed, especially after all the positive reviews. Definitely not what I'd expected, except for the superior beam control/light pattern. High beam is very good, but low beams are marginal. Maybe it's my aging eyes.... Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Apr 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:12:25 +0200 > From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> > Subject: E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > Hi Gruppe > > just upgraded my headlights to the Ellipsoid lights. Still have mixed > feelings.. intensity of lights and discharge is not what I > expected..seems the old lights were stronger..however, the ellipsoids > seem to give out better patterns and the lights are somewhat mellower, > for lack of a better word. Construction-wise, the ellipsoids are much > sturdier, no question. > The nice feature I like is the parking light feature where you have > some kind of a daytime driving light feature.. > > time will tell.. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale - from Greg Cagle
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Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:19:20 -0700 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale Right - I did the same thing, and I'm happy with them. And I'm damn picky about headlights. It does help to aim them correctly. There are two or three different diagrams out there describing how to aim them - it's well worth the time to check them out. - Greg Carey Probst said the following on 4/6/2004 8:15 PM: > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:12:35 -0400 > From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > Or the aiming. > > I upgraded to the ZKWs about 2 years ago and the difference on low is > dramatic. > > I did notice that they were hard to aim properly for best light but once > you get them aimed they are good. On both the M3 and 325 with Euro > lights, I needed to aim just a bit higher than before for best results. > > Upgrading to Hella 100w bulbs doesn't hurt either. > > > Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam > BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters > JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced > > A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free > State, > the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bullen [mailto:vze322dw@verizon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 8:46 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:15 -0400 > From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36 M3 Headlights for sale > > My experience is similar to Jeffrey's. I "upgraded" to the ZKW > ellipsoids with H1's a couple of years ago, and have been > disappointed, especially after all the positive reviews. > > Definitely not what I'd expected, except for the superior beam > control/light pattern. High beam is very good, but low beams are > marginal. Maybe it's my aging eyes.... > > Martin Bullen > '95 M3 > '97 Z3 2.8 > > On Apr 6, 2004, at 4:25 PM, E36M3 wrote: > > >>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 22:12:25 +0200 >>From: "Go, Jeffrey" <jeffrey.go@sap.com> >>Subject: E36 M3 Headlights for sale >> >>Hi Gruppe >> >>just upgraded my headlights to the Ellipsoid lights. Still have mixed >>feelings.. intensity of lights and discharge is not what I >>expected..seems the old lights were stronger..however, the ellipsoids >>seem to give out better patterns and the lights are somewhat mellower, >>for lack of a better word. Construction-wise, the ellipsoids are much >>sturdier, no question. >>The nice feature I like is the parking light feature where you have >>some kind of a daytime driving light feature.. >> >>time will tell.. > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com

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#10. ZKWs - from Jim Powell
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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 20:39:36 -0700 From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: ZKWs Carey said: **** I did notice that they were hard to aim properly for best light but once you get them aimed they are good. On both the M3 and 325 with Euro lights, I needed to aim just a bit higher than before for best results. Upgrading to Hella 100w bulbs doesn't hurt either. **** Here's my experience with ZKWs and their Euro brethren. First, aiming is indeed critical. Second is the desperate fight to overcome being American. That's right, you're American and it's all your own darn fault :) Just like everything else on the planet. DOT lights, as in the stockers, throw a pretty significant amount of light upwards on purpose. Why? To illuminate overhead signs on freeways while you are whizzing along at 75mph. Wouldn't want to miss that exit to Gatorland for want of some light on the signage, don't ya know. In Yirrup, the signs are smaller, lower and over there on the side of the road with the goats and retreating French army. They also have those frickin bicycle riding scum all over the place, not to mention the towns, that the Germans forgot to blow to hell, are all very quaint and crowded together. I imagine that the populace would get tired of having lights shine in their windows in "Darby on the Shire in the Firth of Forth" or some other assinine continental name. And the Germans..... At least their Autobahns meander, can't blind oncoming traffic. Only the railroads are built straight to Paris, the better to move the armor in every couple of decades ;) BTW, aren't they overdue??? So all-in-all, lights here are built to illuminate different things than Euro lights. And the sooner you get over watching Jerry Springer and get used to those zkwS, THE BETTER! Zeig Heil! Check in with you guys in another couple of months. Jim

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