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#1. Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? - from Scott M
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:22:28 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? I had the chance to take a 2001 SP on a nice test drive last week including one of my favorite cycling roads into the Santa Cruz Mountains - Kings Mtn Road. The car did not feel heavy to me, although not quite as precise or tossible as the M3 - I think that is more steering ratio and feel related than anything. I realize the steering feel is way too light in 2001, sure was for my taste - need to drive an '02+ to see how much that is fixed. But sure brought back memories of the E36 and was far more fun to drive up that road than my M5 would have been. Truly in many ways on the street the power is mostly wasted anyway - if you stay in the throttle long you are so breaking the speed limit it isn't even funny, and yet you can't fly around corners like in a 3-series - very frustrating for the type of driving I do. In reality I end up short shifting at ~5K rpm and backing out of the throttle more often than not with the M5, it is just too much power for daily city use. But in looking at things objectively I am not sure I am comfortable trading a 4 year old CPO car for a 6 year old car out of warranty, although I am much more confident in the reliability of the E36 M3 than of any E39 5 by a long shot.... But going to the latest 3 platform and a newer car than my M5 and likely improving my warrantee position has some merit too. R32??? Do tell... Scott on 6/5/04 9:12 PM, Robert Puertas at Puertas@cox.net wrote: > Scott, I couldn't agree more with the 5-series comments. Also, as far as > the 330 goes, it just feels more like a 5-series than the e36. Maybe it's > not as heavy as it feels, but honestly, I don't like it. Might have to look > at the new VW R32 though... > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Robert Puertas; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? > > Personally, if you like the M3 do yourself a favor and do not try for a > 5-series. V8 is nice, power is good but even the best one ever made - E39 > M5 is not an acceptable replacement to the E36 M3 in my book. Trust me on > this as this is the route I took and I wish I could rewind about 9 months > and just keep the M3 instead. Now I know. With the other cars on your list > - same as on mine, btw, the 540 does not fit in - IMHO. They are way too > heavy. > > Someone mentioned the E46 is laden with a lot more weight than the E36, this > is not really true. The '04 model brochure I have shows 3285lbs for a 330 > which is about 100 more than an E36 M3. 100lbs can be compensated for w/ a > stiffer chassis and better suspension design (not suggesting the E46 has > that because I have no data on that, but seems IF it did that might outweigh > the 100lb deficit). Now, the 4000lb M5 I have cannot compensate for the > weight with enough tire, suspension design or setting or even the extra > 150hp to keep it from feeling like a pig - trust me, it does. It's a fast > pig tho, but a pig nonetheless. > > So if going with an '02-03 330i SP is there any advantage to upgrading > wheels, or is the 17x8 / 17x8.5 work OK? Ideally seems you want the 17x8.5 > rears on the front too with 245's but will they fit? Or is it better to go > to a 18x8.5 with a 235-40 tire? Just curious. I am not sure the 225/255 > tire stagger in the PP is the right answer, but I have to drive one. Dealer > close to my work has 4 w/ 6-spds due in this week so maybe I will find out > soon. I could even trade in my M5 for one.... > > Scott
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#2. Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? - from Scott M
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:24:28 -0700 From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? Ah - Golf, a 2-door and FWD. Both non-starters for me.... Scott on 6/5/04 9:21 PM, Robert Puertas at Puertas@cox.net wrote: > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:12:49 -0700 > From: "Robert Puertas" <Puertas@cox.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? > > Scott, I couldn't agree more with the 5-series comments. Also, as far as > the 330 goes, it just feels more like a 5-series than the e36. Maybe it's > not as heavy as it feels, but honestly, I don't like it. Might have to look > at the new VW R32 though... > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott M [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:27 PM > To: Robert Puertas; E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? > > Personally, if you like the M3 do yourself a favor and do not try for a > 5-series. V8 is nice, power is good but even the best one ever made - E39 > M5 is not an acceptable replacement to the E36 M3 in my book. Trust me on > this as this is the route I took and I wish I could rewind about 9 months > and just keep the M3 instead. Now I know. With the other cars on your list > - same as on mine, btw, the 540 does not fit in - IMHO. They are way too > heavy. > > Someone mentioned the E46 is laden with a lot more weight than the E36, this > is not really true. The '04 model brochure I have shows 3285lbs for a 330 > which is about 100 more than an E36 M3. 100lbs can be compensated for w/ a > stiffer chassis and better suspension design (not suggesting the E46 has > that because I have no data on that, but seems IF it did that might outweigh > the 100lb deficit). Now, the 4000lb M5 I have cannot compensate for the > weight with enough tire, suspension design or setting or even the extra > 150hp to keep it from feeling like a pig - trust me, it does. It's a fast > pig tho, but a pig nonetheless. > > So if going with an '02-03 330i SP is there any advantage to upgrading > wheels, or is the 17x8 / 17x8.5 work OK? Ideally seems you want the 17x8.5 > rears on the front too with 245's but will they fit? Or is it better to go > to a 18x8.5 with a 235-40 tire? Just curious. I am not sure the 225/255 > tire stagger in the PP is the right answer, but I have to drive one. Dealer > close to my work has 4 w/ 6-spds due in this week so maybe I will find out > soon. I could even trade in my M5 for one.... > > Scott > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* >
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#3. Looking for a Mini S at dealer or less - from Carey Probst
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:12:19 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Looking for a Mini S at dealer or less My sister-in-law is looking for a Mini Cooper S but the local dealer in Albany is asking almost $1000 over list as a demand surcharge. Anybody know of a Mini dealer charging list or under in the Northeast? TIA, Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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#4. Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. - from DocWyte
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. Jeff, It seems that those are the "standard" springs sent with the H&R kits now. However, they also use them in their coilover kits. Many people on the forums have complained about those rear springs lowering their cars over 2 inches. The solution (while keeping those springs) is to get the H&R rear ride height adjusters... -josh --- Jeff Kumler <jdkumler@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jeff Kumler <jdkumler@yahoo.com> > Subject: H&R Install Help. > > I installed a set Koni SAs and H&R springs on Sat > but > I am running into an issue. > > The rear springs have a part number of 29936 HA > stamped on them, which from searching the BMW_M.Net > archives appears to be normal. Brand new H&R 29910.2 > Kit with 29910 (F) and 29936 (R). > > The problem I have is that they appear to be too > short. They are so loose that I almost fear they > wouldn't seat right if I tried to lower the car. It > hasn't been on the ground yet. The gap is that > large. > Does that seem normal? > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > TIA, > > Jeff > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/
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#5. Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:20:22 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. I had the 29910 front and 29936 rear springs in a "sport" spring set. They were black. The rear ended up being about 1.25" lower, but it did sit OK in the rubber spring "nubs". I heard that the 29936 coilover springs are red, and are shorter than the 29936 black (or dark grey) springs. If yours really are that low, Josh is correct, the ride height adjusters would fix you right up. If they were like mine, then you can also by taller spring pads from BMW to raise the car a little. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "DocWyte" <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:27:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] H&R Install Help. > > Jeff, > > It seems that those are the "standard" springs sent > with the H&R kits now. However, they also use them in > their coilover kits. Many people on the forums have > complained about those rear springs lowering their > cars over 2 inches. The solution (while keeping those > springs) is to get the H&R rear ride height > adjusters... > > -josh > > > --- Jeff Kumler <jdkumler@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:23:44 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Jeff Kumler <jdkumler@yahoo.com> > > Subject: H&R Install Help. > > > > I installed a set Koni SAs and H&R springs on Sat > > but > > I am running into an issue. > > > > The rear springs have a part number of 29936 HA > > stamped on them, which from searching the BMW_M.Net > > archives appears to be normal. Brand new H&R 29910.2 > > Kit with 29910 (F) and 29936 (R). > > > > The problem I have is that they appear to be too > > short. They are so loose that I almost fear they > > wouldn't seat right if I tried to lower the car. It > > hasn't been on the ground yet. The gap is that > > large. > > Does that seem normal? > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > > > > TIA, > > > > Jeff > > > > > > ************************************************* > > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > > sponsors: > > > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > > Eurosport High Performance > > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > > ************************************************* > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:21:58 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? Scott, The R32 is AWD, not FWD. Probably still a deal breaker from the other 2 items for you though... ;-) Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott M" <smlists@pacbell.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:24:28 -0700 > From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] 330i PP thoughts? > > Ah - Golf, a 2-door and FWD. Both non-starters for me.... > > Scott
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#7. Install notes for JT-Designs under carriage shroud - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 18:41:04 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Install notes for JT-Designs under carriage shroud Jim, Hello.. I just installed (with the help of my friend Wayne) the panel on my 98 M3/4. After you lay out the 2 black halves (side to side), the silver piece goes across them and gets bolted down to them. Be aware that the panel may not fit exactly correctly. We had to ream out some of the holes to "expand" the panel almost 1/2" to properly match the holes to the holes on the underside of the car. All of the plastic pieces underneath come off (factory panel, and the pork chops, etc.) The panel uses the factory holes on the sides of the car. The only holes that you have to drill are on the front of the car in the center. Hope this helps. Mo 98 M3/4 91 325IX 82 323i. -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:50:30 -0700 From: "J Files" <jsf1@san.rr.com> Subject: Request: Install notes for JT-Designs under carriage shroud Are there supposed to be any installation instructions for the JT-Designs undercarriage shroud? To replace the plastic unit (which dropped about 3 weeks ago) I ordered their aluminum replacement. Part looks great, but arrived without any sort of documentation. How much of the remaining plastic bits are supposed to be removed to support installation of this unit? The center piece dropped, but the two sides are still in there - a bit beat up, and not fully attached any more, but still present. What about the plastic ducting bits? Any information would be greatly appreciated, Jim 98 M3/2
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#8. Re: What's your steering lock to lock turn count? - from Steve Klein
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:25:56 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Re: What's your steering lock to lock turn count? I'll second the hair over 3.0 on my 11/95 build M3. SHK > You are not going to like this but I just did a lock to lock test on > my '95 > M3. It was only 3.03 turns [3 full turns and about 10 degrees]. > However, I > don't know if that is meaningful. I remember reading somewhere that > '95 M3 had > "blocks" installed on the steering gear to limit how far the wheels > could > turn. Reason being is the front wheels were wider on the M3 vs. other > 3 Series > cars. > > And I do know that my M3 has the largest turning radius of any vehicle > I have > driven. I think a Suburban could turn a shorter circle than my M3. I > constantly have to backup to make U-turns or get into tight parking > spots. > > Lowell Seaton > '95 M3
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#9. FS: misc. parts - from Guillermo Molina
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:46:57 -0400 From: "Guillermo Molina" <drwillb@msn.com> Subject: FS: misc. parts Here they are again. All parts will go to best reasonable offer. Shipping from 07601. e36 Parts, 1995 M3 coupe: Rogue Engineering catback exhaust used 7k miles. M3 airbox. Full set of factory yellow lenses (front corners, sides, rear). Front and rear swaybars with bushings and links. Rear shocks taken off at 10K miles. Factory fuel injectors. Brand new NAL headlights w/o mounting frames (transfer your current ones). e30 M3: Stock cams from a 2.3 Stock cam gears Stock valve springs with 130K miles Ansa muffler, no rust. Trunk carpet. Left, rear, and right trunk plastic trim pieces, the carpeted ones. Rear seatbelts. AC condenser. AC hose: firewall to dryer. Coolant reservoir: old and yellowed but not cracked. Factory taillights, excellent, 1988 style. 1 set aluminum racing seat side mounts, fit Momo & Sparco. Thanks, Bill Molina _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com
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#10. Looking for an M3 - from Sue Kraft
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 00:08:20 -0500 From: Sue Kraft <suekraft@new.rr.com> Subject: Looking for an M3 Hey gang, I'm posting this wanted ad for Jonathan Lukens, so please don't respond to me. Jonathan's email address and phone # are below. *********************************************** I'm looking for a 95-97 M3. Mechanically sound is a must, high miles and body imperfections are fine to keep purchase cost down -- will be using as a track car. OBDI preferred but will consider 96-97 OBDII options. ........ Jonathan Lukens jlukens@new.rr.com <mailto:jlukens@new.rr.com> (920) 371-1801