E36M3 #3766

Tuesday, June 08, 2004 14:01:51

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Vibration under hard braking - from twisty M3
#2. RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car - from Burgess, Kim L
#3. RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With - from Jim Bassett
#4. FW:M3 convertible for sale - from Juan Bruce
#5. RE: Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car - from AVUSM3@aol.com
#6. Re: [E36M3] What's your steering lock to lock turn count? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#7. steer rack tool - from kim.burgess@att.net
#8. Alternator damaged by charging? - from Michael, Dave
#9. RE: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? - from Patrick Goss - PA
#10. Re: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? - from Kent L. Shephard

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Vibration under hard braking - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 13:00:58 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Vibration under hard braking How did you bed the pads in? If you feel it only under braking, I'm going to say it's pad transfer. Try rebedding them in and that will most likely solve your problem. Jonathan L. >From: "Michael Michalski" <MMichalski@srigroup.com> >Reply-To: "Michael Michalski" <MMichalski@srigroup.com> >To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Subject: [E36M3] Vibration under hard braking >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:41:40 -0500 > >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:26:43 -0500 >From: "Michael Michalski" <MMichalski@srigroup.com> >Subject: Vibration under hard braking > >Hi Guys, > >It has been awhile since I have asked for some advice on a problem I have been having recently on my 97 M3 Coupe MT, which I guess is good ;-). Unfortunately I have this problem and I need some help figuring it out. The problem I am having recently is a vibration I feel in the steering wheel when I apply the brakes rather hard. I am wondering what could cause this vibration. The car has Zimmerman front cross drilled rotors with new pads and the rear has stock M3 rotors with new pads. Thank you in advance. > >Michael Michalski >97 ///M3 > > _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

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#2. RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:23:59 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car Jim Wrote: "Also, try placing your temp sender in the hose to the right of the thermostat, like I've done: < http://www.jimbassett.com/WaterTemp1.jpg >" Jim - Is that: "to the right" = passenger side or "to the right" = drivers side? And where did you get that trick housing? TIA Kim Burgess

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#3. RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:39:18 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: temp senor location...was...Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car At 01:23 PM 6/7/04, Burgess, Kim L wrote: >Jim Wrote: >"Also, try placing your temp sender in the hose to the right of the >thermostat, like I've done: < http://www.jimbassett.com/WaterTemp1.jpg > >" > >Jim - Is that: >"to the right" = passenger side >or >"to the right" = drivers side? Sorry. To the right while looking into the engine bay. >And where did you get that trick housing? Local shop here in the SF Bay Area. It's a GReddy part. Jim Bassett

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#4. FW:M3 convertible for sale - from Juan Bruce
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:56:50 -0700 From: Juan Bruce <jbruce@gmail.com> Subject: FW:M3 convertible for sale I'm forwarding this for a friend. I've never seen the car. Juan _________________________________ This is from a friend of mine who is moving this week. Find on the link below or email me for the contact info. happy driving! BMW M3 1998 Convertible Excellent condition. Only 42K miles. Silver with black top. 5 spd manual Loaded with every option including heated seats and 6 disc CD. Front and side airbags. Auto top, windows, locks. Alarm Garaged and rarely driven-car has been babied. Oil changed every 3K. 415 515 5962 LINK TO PICTURES: http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=163427837&dealer_id=&car_year=1998&make=BMW&distance=25&max_price=&model=M3&advcd_on=n&end_year=1998&min_price=&certified=n&address=94123&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1998&color=&cardist=0

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#5. RE:  Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car - from AVUSM3@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:56:11 EDT From: AVUSM3@aol.com Subject: RE: Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car I would second Kim's opinion that it might be a head gasket. If you have ruled everything else out (pressure cap, bleed screw loose, etc.) then it is a good possibilty that it is a head gasket. I had similar symptoms in my '95 M3. It only happened at the track. I was getting an overpressure situation in my coolant, which was blowing out past the pressure cap. My car was not over heating though. A CO2 test of the coolant was negative. However when I replaced the head gasket the problem went away. Good luck, John Cloutier Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:30:03 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Weird Overheating Problem With Race Car "1st - have head checked for compression/leak down" All of the tests cited are good diagnostics! Assuming correct bleeding of the cooling system has been accomplished, my suspicion would be a slight head gasket leak that allows combustion pressure into the head/cylinder water passages causing over-pressurization of the cooling system - blow off/consumption of coolant and possible trapped air in the system. Kim L Burgess

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#6. Re: [E36M3] What's your steering lock to lock turn count? - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:00 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] What's your steering lock to lock turn count? In a message dated 6/5/04 2:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LoweSeaton@aol.com writes: > It was only 3.03 turns [3 full turns and about 10 degrees]. ditto for me too! Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA BSP Champion '01 & '02 SM '03

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#7. steer rack tool - from kim.burgess@att.net
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:18:17 +0000 From: kim.burgess@att.net Subject: steer rack tool Chester wrote: "I would have bought the special tools (a bunch of different fittings to make pressing in and out seals/bushings/bearings easier), but my local dealer told me that they are NLA." Chester check out these folks maybe they can help with tools. Look for tool "Technic Tool: model BMW321-110" http://automotivetools.com http://tinyurl.com/ywc5p or http://www.technictool.com/bmwtools.htm kim burgess

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#8. Alternator damaged by charging? - from Michael, Dave
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:04:08 -0400 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@Maxtor.com> Subject: Alternator damaged by charging? Hi Folks The 6 year old oem battery in my 98 m3/4 was a little weak after the car sat for two weeks (ie, wouldn't start), so I threw my charger on to see if the battery could be revived. I also topped up the cells with distilled water. I did NOT follow the Bentley in that I did NOT disconnect the battery and instead just hooked the + cable to the jumper post and the - to ground. So the battery charged up fine, but now the alt. light is on. I checked the output from the B+ (the smaller termianl on the alternator) and its putten' out nothing. So, how can I have fried the alternator with a 6 amp battery charger? Along t he same lines, to replace the thing, I know I need to remove the clutch etc. But what size/shape is the wrench used to unload the tensioner? In the Bentley, it looks like an Allen wrench. As usual, TIA for any insights/suggestion! Dave 98 m3/4 80k 90 200QA 200K 02 MCS 12k

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:25:02 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? Isn't it always the rule to disconnect and remove battery from the car before charging? Two reasons I've heard are 1.) to prevent frying something else that the battery is connected with and 2.) to prevent acid leakage on vehicle if the battery is overcharged or damaged. Best of luck, hope it's a simple fix! -----Original Message----- From: Michael, Dave [mailto:Dave_Michael@Maxtor.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:12 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:04:08 -0400 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@Maxtor.com> Subject: Alternator damaged by charging? Hi Folks The 6 year old oem battery in my 98 m3/4 was a little weak after the car sat for two weeks (ie, wouldn't start), so I threw my charger on to see if the battery could be revived. I also topped up the cells with distilled water. I did NOT follow the Bentley in that I did NOT disconnect the battery and instead just hooked the + cable to the jumper post and the - to ground. So the battery charged up fine, but now the alt. light is on. I checked the output from the B+ (the smaller termianl on the alternator) and its putten' out nothing. So, how can I have fried the alternator with a 6 amp battery charger? Along t he same lines, to replace the thing, I know I need to remove the clutch etc. But what size/shape is the wrench used to unload the tensioner? In the Bentley, it looks like an Allen wrench. As usual, TIA for any insights/suggestion! Dave 98 m3/4 80k 90 200QA 200K 02 MCS 12k ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:51:40 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? Hi, I've never had an alternator fry by charging the battery in the car. It could be that the alternator didn't charge the battery/isn't charging the battery which is why after two weeks sitting is was dead. My '97 has the original battery (have all the records and the battery has never been replaced that I know of) and two weeks sitting will leave my car in ready to start with no problems. Just did it when I went on vacation and it was actually longer. I might suggest that the alternator was dead or weak and charging had nothing to do with it. Kent Patrick Goss - PA wrote: >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:25:02 -0400 >From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? > >Isn't it always the rule to disconnect and remove battery from the car >before charging? Two reasons I've heard are 1.) to prevent frying something >else that the battery is connected with and 2.) to prevent acid leakage on >vehicle if the battery is overcharged or damaged. > >Best of luck, hope it's a simple fix! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael, Dave [mailto:Dave_Michael@Maxtor.com] >Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 1:12 PM >To: E36M3 >Subject: [E36M3] Alternator damaged by charging? > >Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:04:08 -0400 >From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@Maxtor.com> >Subject: Alternator damaged by charging? > >Hi Folks > >The 6 year old oem battery in my 98 m3/4 was a little weak after the car >sat for two weeks (ie, wouldn't start), so I threw my charger on to see >if the battery could be revived. I also topped up the cells with >distilled water. I did NOT follow the Bentley in that I did NOT >disconnect the battery and instead just hooked the + cable to the jumper >post and the - to ground. > >So the battery charged up fine, but now the alt. light is on. I checked >the output from the B+ (the smaller termianl on the alternator) and its >putten' out nothing. > >So, how can I have fried the alternator with a 6 amp battery charger? > >Along t he same lines, to replace the thing, I know I need to remove the >clutch etc. But what size/shape is the wrench used to unload the >tensioner? In the Bentley, it looks like an Allen wrench. > >As usual, TIA for any insights/suggestion! > >Dave >98 m3/4 80k >90 200QA 200K >02 MCS 12k > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt

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