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#1. RE: Shocks and Struts - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: RE: Shocks and Struts > 1) Bilsteins but you will "have" to change the springs. Run it with > stock springs and it 'will' raise the car one full inch in the front > (ask me how I know). This was not the case on the '97 M3 I did a few weeks ago. The Bilsteins did not raise the car 1" each corner, matter of fact, the ride height did not change. These were the latest Bilsteins (with the proper bumpstop direct from Bilstein). Frankly, I don't believe it can happen. In order for the car to raise 1" at each corner with the same exact springs, the new shocks/struts would have to have a lot of gas pressure in order to lift the car equally at each corner. If there was ~750 lbs. at each corner, the shock/strut would have to exert enough pressure to overcome that weight plus the assistance the spring provides at that point of travel. Since I can compress a Bilstein strut/shock by hand, I don't think that is too likely. It might have a small effect, but I find it hard to believe it was 1". Regards, Rich
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:08:32 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) The problem is that if you have the GC track school kit, they use a shortened Koni and recommend a 6" in front IIRC. A phone call to GC would be the best bet as I might be wrong about that. I currently run a 375' 6" front spring and a 450' 7" rear spring. Car sits 12.75" in front and 12" in the rear at the highest setting. Rides really nice. The hybrid CC plates are silent. I have my GC rear shock mounts inverted for more droop travel. It really rides like stock but lowered with more suspension travel than stock and the shox are awesome compared to the blown out stockers that I had. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:10:41 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) It sure seems like taller springs would fix that problem. I went from 7" to 6" springs when I wanted to get the car lower. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) > > He wants to maintain stock ride height. At their highest settings, > the GC kit will have you 1" lower. > > I just installed the GC track school kit about a month ago and am thrilled > with the quality and performance. > > IF you want to keep stock ride height, I would probably keep the stock > springs > and get some adjustable Konis. The mods to your strut housing to fit the > Konis > are not that hard (or expensive if you have someone do it). ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. RE: [E36M3] RE: Shocks and Struts - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:16:22 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Shocks and Struts I put Konis on my C5. They are a monotube high pressure design as opposed to the twin tubers used on our E36s. They raised my Vette 3/4" all the way around. I called Koni about this and they said that they could go with a lower gas pressure and change the valving to alleviate this. When I send them in to shorten them and go DA ($200 /corner for this mod), I will prolly do the lower pressure thing. Just compressing those things to get them on the car took some serious effort and all of my 225 lbs. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:e36m3digest@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:01 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Shocks and Struts Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: RE: Shocks and Struts > 1) Bilsteins but you will "have" to change the springs. Run it with > stock springs and it 'will' raise the car one full inch in the front > (ask me how I know). This was not the case on the '97 M3 I did a few weeks ago. The Bilsteins did not raise the car 1" each corner, matter of fact, the ride height did not change. These were the latest Bilsteins (with the proper bumpstop direct from Bilstein). Frankly, I don't believe it can happen. In order for the car to raise 1" at each corner with the same exact springs, the new shocks/struts would have to have a lot of gas pressure in order to lift the car equally at each corner. If there was ~750 lbs. at each corner, the shock/strut would have to exert enough pressure to overcome that weight plus the assistance the spring provides at that point of travel. Since I can compress a Bilstein strut/shock by hand, I don't think that is too likely. It might have a small effect, but I find it hard to believe it was 1". Regards, Rich ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:17:54 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) BTW with all the talk about struts and then camber kits, wouldn't some strut bars cover the camber kit access. I absolutely like the hinge-less design of the JTD but fear it might prevent access to camber plates if I go that way some day. -----Original Message----- From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:11 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:08:32 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) The problem is that if you have the GC track school kit, they use a shortened Koni and recommend a 6" in front IIRC. A phone call to GC would be the best bet as I might be wrong about that. I currently run a 375' 6" front spring and a 450' 7" rear spring. Car sits 12.75" in front and 12" in the rear at the highest setting. Rides really nice. The hybrid CC plates are silent. I have my GC rear shock mounts inverted for more droop travel. It really rides like stock but lowered with more suspension travel than stock and the shox are awesome compared to the blown out stockers that I had. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:10:41 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) It sure seems like taller springs would fix that problem. I went from 7" to 6" springs when I wanted to get the car lower. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:21 PM Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) > > He wants to maintain stock ride height. At their highest settings, > the GC kit will have you 1" lower. > > I just installed the GC track school kit about a month ago and am thrilled > with the quality and performance. > > IF you want to keep stock ride height, I would probably keep the stock > springs > and get some adjustable Konis. The mods to your strut housing to fit the > Konis > are not that hard (or expensive if you have someone do it). ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: -long discourse from Chester snipped- Easy choice. Sell your current front koni's and get the TC Kline kit keeping your rear koni's. You'll see most of the benefit of DA koni's in the rear. The TC Kline springs and adjusters are very, very nice. I've been extremely pleased with the kit and service. -josh ===== __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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#6. RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) What do you mean by block? The JTD bar has end caps that are removeable. Whether or not they are purely cosmetic...I dunno. It's a pain to remove and reinstall because the CNC tolerances were very tight. I have run my JTD bar with the center caps removed with no ill effects. With the caps off, you can make your adjustments and then if you want, slap the caps back on. Chester --- Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > BTW with all the talk about struts and then camber kits, wouldn't some strut > bars cover the camber kit access. > > I absolutely like the hinge-less design of the JTD but fear it might prevent > access to camber plates if I go that way some day. =====
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#7. Re: My recent experience with Global Imports BMW in Atlanta - from Roger Baker
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:22:05 -0700 From: Roger Baker <RogerBkr@netscape.net> Subject: Re: My recent experience with Global Imports BMW in Atlanta Ahmad, It happens so often that I think that most BMW dealers get a kick out of screwing people over. I'm so fed up with the dealers here on the west coast (like South Bay BMW in Hermosa Beach) that I just traded my 330i for a C55 AMG. Not that Mercedes is known for being much better, but the dealer out here has taken good care of me so far. I'll keep my old M3 mutt car for the track, but I think I'm done with new BMW's for a while. -- Roger Baker
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:54:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions --- DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> wrote: > Easy choice. Sell your current front koni's and get > the TC Kline kit keeping your rear koni's. You'll see > most of the benefit of DA koni's in the rear. Not sure I quite follow. You said to sell the front konis and keep the rear SAs, but you also say that you'll get the most benefit of DAs in the back. Are you suggesting to send the rears in to get modified? > The TC Kline springs and adjusters are very, very > nice. I've been extremely pleased with the kit and > service. The rear height adjuster looks like you screw in a set screw to fix the moveable collar, no? I would think that the set screw marrs the soft aluminum...it's not steel, right? Thanks, Chester =====
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from David Ngo
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) I have the JTD strut brace with TCKline CC plates. I just remove the brace anytime I need to make camber adjustments - I find that it's easier to do that than to go through the access plates. The access plates do give you enough room to adjust the CC plates, but it's hard to see the markings on the CC plates to gauge how much you're adjusting them. Dave --- Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:17:54 -0400 > From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > BTW with all the talk about struts and then camber > kits, wouldn't some strut > bars cover the camber kit access. > > I absolutely like the hinge-less design of the JTD > but fear it might prevent > access to camber plates if I go that way some day. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:11 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:08:32 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > The problem is that if you have the GC track school > kit, they > use a shortened Koni and recommend a 6" in front > IIRC. A phone call to GC > would be the best bet as I might be wrong about > that. > > I currently run a 375' 6" front spring and a 450' 7" > rear spring. > Car sits 12.75" in front and 12" in the rear at the > highest setting. > Rides really nice. The hybrid CC plates are silent. > I have my GC > rear shock mounts inverted for more droop travel. It > really rides > like stock but lowered with more suspension travel > than stock > and the shox are awesome compared to the blown out > stockers that I had. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Teague [mailto:cteague@cox.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:11 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:10:41 -0700 > From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > It sure seems like taller springs would fix that > problem. > I went from 7" to 6" springs when I wanted to get > the > car lower. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:21 PM > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > > > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:20:17 -0700 > > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the > billionth time?) > > > > He wants to maintain stock ride height. At their > highest settings, > > the GC kit will have you 1" lower. > > > > I just installed the GC track school kit about a > month ago and am thrilled > > with the quality and performance. > > > > IF you want to keep stock ride height, I would > probably keep the stock > > springs > > and get some adjustable Konis. The mods to your > strut housing to fit the > > Konis > > are not that hard (or expensive if you have > someone do it). > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions - from DocWyte
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions You have to sell your current cut n gut front koni's to use the TC Kline coilovers, as the fronts are a complete strut housing with body on coilovers. You can run your current rear SA koni's with the kit, that's what I do. I was just pointing out that if you wanted to get DA's, it's more beneficial to get them for the rear, rather than the front. There is a spot for a set screw on the rear adjusters, but you don't use it. TC Kline doesn't even include it with the kit. There's no need for it, the adjusters don't move, even if you have the car jacked up. -josh --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:54:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Suspension component questions > > > --- DocWyte <josh_wyte@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Easy choice. Sell your current front koni's and > get > > the TC Kline kit keeping your rear koni's. You'll > see > > most of the benefit of DA koni's in the rear. > > Not sure I quite follow. You said to sell the front > konis and keep the rear > SAs, but you also say that you'll get the most > benefit of DAs in the back. Are > you suggesting to send the rears in to get modified? > > > The TC Kline springs and adjusters are very, very > > nice. I've been extremely pleased with the kit > and > > service. > > The rear height adjuster looks like you screw in a > set screw to fix the > moveable collar, no? I would think that the set > screw marrs the soft > aluminum...it's not steel, right? > > Thanks, > Chester > > ===== > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com