E36M3 #3855

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:03:07

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#2. Re: Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from Martin Bullen
#3. WTB e36 M3 calipers - from Vince Leo
#4. Timing chain/valve question - from Eric Carlson
#5. General BMW Wheel and Tire Mounting and Balancing Question - from Jonathan Evans
#6. Re: [E36M3] General BMW Wheel and Tire Mounting and Balancing Question - from Robert Liu
#7. Re: [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? - from James Clay
#8. NEW Bilsteins - from Jonathan Evans
#9. Re: [E36M3] NEW Bilsteins - from Jason Knight
#10. Torn rubber door gasket -- installation thoughts. - from scott noltensmeier

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 08:24:39 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? >If we were as good as Bill, then someone would give us new rotors and pads >everytime we went to the track! Now that would be nice.... Lots of Pro teams are using Stoptechs. The Bimmerworld E36s were using them so certainly James can tell you all about them. I noticed this weekend John Munson is using them in his GAC E46 M3 (btw Larry Wright co-drove in the cup race on Sunday), and a few club racers in prepared and mod classes are also using them. BTW this whole Grand Am Rolex series is pretty interesting, since the races are 3 hrs + the pit stops play a major role. I saw teams practicing driver changes, crews practicing tire changes, etc. There was even a portable dyno in the paddock, not sure if it was for tuning or as part of tech. The NSX and Porsche cup cars I saw on it sure as heck were LOUD. Alex B. and Armee du Quebec were crew for John/Larry, Alex mentioned they can do a pit stop (4 tires + driver change in less than 1 minute). I timed the GM team (Heinricy, Borcheller, Goad) in a CTS-V and their stop was about 1 minute. BMW CR was a support race and even though we were the leper colony of the event (outside the paddock in the grass) it was still cool to be around the pro teams. Some teams even came by to grab a timing sheet to check out the lap times. :-) Ray Mason who won both Sat. and Sun. also ran in the Rolex race in a Corvette. Jack M. finished 2nd on Sat. and 3rd on Sunday, David Daniel with the E28 M5 from hell finished 3rd on Sat. and 2nd on Sunday. Lots of excellent battles, Sean Tillinghast (Prepared class E36 M3) and Pat Dunbar (Fall Line T1 E46 M3) ran nose to tail, Simon Hunter & John Paton ran side by side then nose to tail most of Sunday's race (J-stock), and Tommy Mauk and Scott Harnell had a super close battle in D-Mod (both in E30 M3s). Nice to see some folks from this list (Vince) how'd the golf tournament go? :-) Carlos '88 325is '93 325is

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#2. Re:  Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:26:15 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) Mark, Gotta partially disagree here, or at least offer an alternative perspective. The couple of points where things like the swaybar attachment points are welded to the outside of the strut housing can distort the housing slightly on the inside, and require minor clearancing in order to slide the insert into the housing. I agree that anything more than that indicates a larger problem, and it's also fairly easy to see by peering down the inside of the housing to see if there are any obstructions. Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Aug 10, 2004, at 12:42 PM, E36M3 wrote: > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:37:04 -0700 > From: "Dames, Mark A." <Mark.Dames@PDO.Co.Santa-Clara.CA.US> > Subject: RE: RE: [E36M3] Shocks and Struts (for the billionth time?) > > Mel, > > SNIPPED > > An anecdote from my experience: If you get the strut housing tops cut > off, > get the old struts out, and then the new struts don't slip right in, > there's > nothing wrong with you, your technique is not lacking, god doesn't > hate you > --- your strut housings are just bent. There is no cure, you've got to > buy > new strut housings. > > mark.

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#3. WTB e36 M3 calipers - from Vince Leo
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:27:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: WTB e36 M3 calipers Speaking of Stop Tech brakes anyone have any e36 M3 calipers, brackets, etc. laying around from a big brake upgrade? I am thinking about an upgrade for my e36 325 JP club racer. Vince __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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#4. Timing chain/valve question - from Eric Carlson
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:10:50 -0400 From: "Eric Carlson" <eric@bluehammock.com> Subject: Timing chain/valve question Hey everyone, I have a question regarding some noises I've been hearing coming from the engine bay. The car in question is a '95 M3 w/ 107k miles. I've owned the car for about 6 months and this situation has just presented itself in the last 3-4 months. I have read about the marbles-in-a-tin-can noise, and I'm not really sure if these symptoms are the same as what I'm reading. Here's what is happening: 1) The car idles fine, no noticeable valve noise present. 2) On rev up under light or heavy acceleration, a high, fast metal 'scraping' noise is present. To me, it sounds like a loud valve noise, but a little higher in pitch. However, at this point it's pretty quiet, barely noticeable under the engine noises. 3) On throttle lift, things get noisy. The noise is present from around 5k rpm all the way down to around 2k rpm. Again, a very noticeable metal scraping noise. The sound is similar to valve noises, but sounds faster and higher pitch. It is especially loud from around 3100 rpm down to 2000 rpm. Very noticeable with the windows down. Any thoughts? My first thought was that it was something to do with the timing chain or timing chain tension. This feels expensive :( Thanks, - Eric

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#5. General BMW Wheel and Tire  Mounting and Balancing Question - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:39:31 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: General BMW Wheel and Tire Mounting and Balancing Question A local racer just purchased a mounting and balancing maching for his home garage. He has a spec Miata and a Honday Civic (ITS?) that he is now changing tires on. Is there something special about my LTW motorsport '95 forged wheels that would prevent him from be able to take the tire off? The machine was even made in Germany. ALTS, I think. We both admit to being amateurs with this stuff, but what's the secret? There was no lip for the tire bead to fall into in order to get it on the bead pulling instrument. It's obvious I'm new at this. I called up the local BMW place and they were going to charge 4.5 hours to mount and balance 4 tires on the LTW wheels. They gave me the, "Oh, you have special wheels," excuse. At $85 an hour, I don't think so. I'd hate to find out what it costs on the new 19" CSL wheels! It seems strange since I've probably had 4 sets of fronts and 8 sets of rears put on by various local and national tire places since I've had the car. A few places couldn't do it, but most just took a long time. -Jonathan -95 M3 -92 Miata

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#6. Re: [E36M3] General BMW Wheel and Tire  Mounting and Balancing Question - from Robert Liu
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:27:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Liu <bob_a_liu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] General BMW Wheel and Tire Mounting and Balancing Question My shop has the top of the line Hunter tire changing and balancing equipment. BMW wheels are about the hardest ones we ever do. I would strongly suggest that you do not attempt to change them unless you know what you are doing. Even with the best equipment, without knowing how to use it, you will scratch/scuff the wheel and/or tear a tire bead. Bob --- Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:39:31 -0400 > From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> > Subject: General BMW Wheel and Tire Mounting and > Balancing Question > > A local racer just purchased a mounting and > balancing maching for his home > garage. He has a spec Miata and a Honday Civic > (ITS?) that he is now > changing tires on. > > Is there something special about my LTW motorsport > '95 forged wheels that > would prevent him from be able to take the tire off? > The machine was even > made in Germany. ALTS, I think. > > We both admit to being amateurs with this stuff, but > what's the secret? > There was no lip for the tire bead to fall into in > order to get it on the > bead pulling instrument. It's obvious I'm new at > this. > > I called up the local BMW place and they were going > to charge 4.5 hours to > mount and balance 4 tires on the LTW wheels. They > gave me the, "Oh, you > have special wheels," excuse. At $85 an hour, I > don't think so. > > I'd hate to find out what it costs on the new 19" > CSL wheels! > > It seems strange since I've probably had 4 sets of > fronts and 8 sets of > rears put on by various local and national tire > places since I've had the > car. A few places couldn't do it, but most just > took a long time. > > -Jonathan > -95 M3 > -92 Miata > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ===== ------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Liu bob_a_liu@yahoo.com www.p1auto.com Miata info: http://www.cardomain.com/id/p1auto __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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#7. Re:  [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? - from James Clay
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:47:42 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Stoptech reviews? We used them all last year on the WC cars and I have a similar E46 version on this year's cars. They are really good brakes and for the money phenomenal. Call for more specific questions - still catching up from Mosport... James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648

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#8. NEW Bilsteins - from Jonathan Evans
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:16:46 -0400 From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> Subject: NEW Bilsteins Can anyone confirm the new part number for the correct bumpstop-designed Bilsteins Sports for the M3? I want to make sure I don't buy the wrong/old ones. After all this talk of suspension upgrades, I might bite the bullet and get new shocks/struts to go with the stock springs. And it is confirmed that the new design does NOT raise the car with stock springs? This is for a '95 if that matters. Thanks Jonathan

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#9. Re: [E36M3] NEW Bilsteins - from Jason Knight
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:06:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] NEW Bilsteins I was the recent poster about the struts and shocks. I called Turner Motorsport and ordered a set of Bilsteins. Price was about $630. I asked Doug at TMS if these would lower my car at all. He said, "Springs determine the ride height, not shocks." The conviction with which he said this was enough for me. I'll get the units on Friday, and will install them within the next couple of weeks, depending on how other projects progress. I'll take measurements and pictures before and after changing the shocks and struts (and nothing else), and post the results to the list. Jason --- Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:16:46 -0400 > From: "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> > Subject: NEW Bilsteins > > Can anyone confirm the new part number for the > correct bumpstop-designed Bilsteins Sports for the > M3? I want to make sure I don't buy the wrong/old > ones. > > After all this talk of suspension upgrades, I might > bite the bullet and get new shocks/struts to go with > the stock springs. > > And it is confirmed that the new design does NOT > raise the car with stock springs? > > This is for a '95 if that matters. > > Thanks > > Jonathan > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#10. Torn rubber door gasket -- installation thoughts. - from scott noltensmeier
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: scott noltensmeier <snoltens@yahoo.com> Subject: Torn rubber door gasket -- installation thoughts. I have a torn rubber door gasket on the driver's side, 2D. - Already have the replacement part. -- Any suggestions on how to replace it. --- Do I need adhesive? Thanks, Scott -- E36M3, 2D 96'

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