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#1. RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:48:44 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I don't buy that at all. I have had a set of SSRs on my LTW ever since they came out. These wheels are still straight and true and have been exposed to lots of track and street miles. They have never been bent from bouncing off curbs at the track or from hitting potholes on the hwy. In my experience with them, they are stronger than the stock wheels I have seen. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:03 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I hope you don't drive with your track wheels on the street. Those SSRs bend like buttah. Chester --- FS <freestat@stny.rr.com> wrote: > I went with Tirerack SSR Comps and Kumho v700 235/40/17 all around; a little > more balanced handling now at Watkins Glen, can rotate tires a little more > easily for wear, and the SSR's are much easier to clean than the BBS (but > then I'm lazy ;-) > > Though RGR's were my 2nd choice... > > FS ===== ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 12:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Perhaps a pothole on a highway in Atlanta is a road ripple in New York ;) Perhaps the 17" size SSRs are stronger, but a list member with an E46M3 and 18" SSRs has only perhaps 3 straight wheels out of 10. Another person with 18s wrecked his car at the Glen and the rim lip separated from the wheel. You could easily bend it with your hand. OTOH, my factory forged wheel that impacted a guardrail hard only had a hairline fracture...still strong as heck. Chester --- Seth Thomas <porsche993@mindspring.com> wrote: > I don't buy that at all. I have had a set of SSRs on my LTW ever since they > came out. These wheels are still straight and true and have been exposed to > lots of track and street miles. They have never been bent from bouncing off > curbs at the track or from hitting potholes on the hwy. In my experience > with them, they are stronger than the stock wheels I have seen. > > Seth Thomas > www.bimmerworldracing.com =====
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#3. RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? - from alex.fadeev@verizon.com
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:02:35 -0500 From: alex.fadeev@verizon.com Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I will second what Seth said. I've used SSRs as both street and track tires (same difference down here in Dallas ;-) for at least two years. That equals driving through monster construction areas, long neglected Dallas city roads and getting airborne in horizontally challenged Dallas suburbia. All with ZERO issues. SSRs are as straight as the day I got them used from another digest member. I have BBS RXs (same design as RGRs, only non-forged) on my wife's E36, and they are a bitch to clean. Almost as bad as stock M3 wheels. The areas between the spokes and the wheel face are virtually inaccessible and the bake dust just keep building up in those crannies. In contrast, SSRs are a breeze to clean. YMMV, alex f Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:48:44 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I don't buy that at all. I have had a set of SSRs on my LTW ever since they came out. These wheels are still straight and true and have been exposed to lots of track and street miles. They have never been bent from bouncing off curbs at the track or from hitting potholes on the hwy. In my experience with them, they are stronger than the stock wheels I have seen. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I hope you don't drive with your track wheels on the street. Those SSRs bend like buttah. Chester --- FS <freestat@stny.rr.com> wrote: > I went with Tirerack SSR Comps and Kumho v700 235/40/17 all around; a little > more balanced handling now at Watkins Glen, can rotate tires a little more > easily for wear, and the SSR's are much easier to clean than the BBS (but > then I'm lazy ;-) > > Though RGR's were my 2nd choice... > > FS
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#4. WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:35:18 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's I have to agree with Chester on this one. I have 10 SSR Comps for my E46M3 and at least 7 of them are bent. Two are bent beyond repair according to the Wheel Collision Center and they have straightened at least 4 or 5 and some of those are bent again. They seem to bend on me if I look at them funny. My track set has never been on the street other than a few miles to/from the track to the nearby hotel and even one of those is bent and I can't imagine how. I had the BMW forged wheels on my E36M3 and never had a problem but I would never buy another SSR product again. I am currently waiting for a set of the fully forged Champion RS110's that some E46M3 people are having made. They are way more money than I wanted to spend but if you take all of the SSRs + associated fixing, I have spent more on the SSR's. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Seth Thomas [mailto:porsche993@mindspring.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:54 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 15:48:44 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I don't buy that at all. I have had a set of SSRs on my LTW ever since they came out. These wheels are still straight and true and have been exposed to lots of track and street miles. They have never been bent from bouncing off curbs at the track or from hitting potholes on the hwy. In my experience with them, they are stronger than the stock wheels I have seen. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:03 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I hope you don't drive with your track wheels on the street. Those SSRs bend like buttah. Chester --- FS <freestat@stny.rr.com> wrote: > I went with Tirerack SSR Comps and Kumho v700 235/40/17 all around; a little > more balanced handling now at Watkins Glen, can rotate tires a little > more easily for wear, and the SSR's are much easier to clean than the > BBS (but then I'm lazy ;-) > > Though RGR's were my 2nd choice... > > FS ===== ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:31:01 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? You might be right about the pothole in Atlanta but not in Charleston or Savannah which these wheels have been to several times. And you might be correct on the 18"wheels as mine are 17" wheels and those were the ones in question in the original email. Oh and anytime someone wrecks a car at the track then generally a wheel is going to get bent. Hey I hit a car at Mosport doing about 80-90 MPH and guess what happened to those RGRs. You guessed it, I bent the one that took the blunt of the impact. The lip also peeled back from the wheel. But these same wheels were fine after a wreck at Infineon. My point is that every crash is different and that should not be used to say the wheels are a weak design. If that were the case then you could also say that about the BBS. Just pointing out some of the reasons internet rumors get started and spread. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 2:53 PM To: Seth Thomas; 'E36M3' Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Perhaps a pothole on a highway in Atlanta is a road ripple in New York ;) Perhaps the 17" size SSRs are stronger, but a list member with an E46M3 and 18" SSRs has only perhaps 3 straight wheels out of 10. Another person with 18s wrecked his car at the Glen and the rim lip separated from the wheel. You could easily bend it with your hand. OTOH, my factory forged wheel that impacted a guardrail hard only had a hairline fracture...still strong as heck. Chester --- Seth Thomas <porsche993@mindspring.com> wrote: > I don't buy that at all. I have had a set of SSRs on my LTW ever since they > came out. These wheels are still straight and true and have been exposed to > lots of track and street miles. They have never been bent from bouncing off > curbs at the track or from hitting potholes on the hwy. In my experience > with them, they are stronger than the stock wheels I have seen. > > Seth Thomas > www.bimmerworldracing.com =====
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#6. Re: WTB: front brake caliper - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:54:08 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: WTB: front brake caliper on 8/25/04 12:33 PM, "David Boffa" <davidboffa@hotmail.com> wrote: > I'm looking to buy the front right (passenger) brake caliper for an E36 M3. > If you have a pair and don't want to split them up I might be willing to buy > both if the price is decent. I can be reached at davidboffa@hotmail.com. Or you can buy a brand new one for $179 from Turner: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/subcategory_detail.asp?modelcode=E36&su bcat_id=87 including seals, guide pins, etc. Neil 96 M3
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#7. Re: BMW Shifter Slop - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:58:25 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: BMW Shifter Slop on 8/25/04 2:43 PM, "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> wrote: > For an E36, I'd suggest the shift lever from an M Roadster. That's an OK, although limited, solution for a short shifter, but no fix for slop due to worn parts. The reason it's only of limited effectiveness is that there's not enough clearance below the lever's pivot point to have the length of lever extension to get as much reduction as you'd like. The better short shift kits provide a means of raising the pivot, obviating that problem, and also they generally come with replacement parts to freshen up the whole assembly. You can see the Rogue Engineering version here: http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_ Code=SSK Neil 96 M3
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#8. BMW Shifter Slop - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:18:45 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: BMW Shifter Slop Johnathan, I second the vote for the UUC shifter.. I have had their shifter in my 98 for about ~2 yrs now, and it still feels great. Get the full kit with the all of the bearing and bushing replacements.. another vote for the UUC shifter. Mo Quoting "Jonathan Evans" <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> > > Okay, without starting some sort of major battle about which company makes > the best short shifter (that may come later), all I want is feedback about > how people have fixed the "wooden spoon in a bowl of Jell-O" feel of a worn > factory shifter. It's amazing I can still tell the difference between 1st > and 3rd gear. I can measure the movement of the top of the knob in idle and > in any gear in INCHES. 9 years has done a number on the whole unit. > > So, will replacing the OEM unit with a short shifter actually help with this? > I like the product from UUC that replaces the linkage rod as well. It looks > possible to just replace the rod and keep the OEM shifter, but I think the > whole system needs replacing, not just the shifter. > > So I'd like feedback from folks who upgraded to a short shifter to replace > worn factory parts that had failed, not just for the short shift feel. > > Let's not start the Rogue or UUC dialog quiet yet. I was on the list when > all that went down.
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#9. RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? - from FS
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:46:56 -0400 From: "FS" <freestat@stny.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? Hi, Personal experience or rumor? I'd heard the TMS (and other) comments, but then my car isn't even close to their setup :-) A few opinions on this: http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e36m3/3577028-1.html http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e36m3/3642339-1.html http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/e36m3/732660-1.html But no... track only. Though if they do end up bending, I'm switching to BBS RGR! FS -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:03:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? I hope you don't drive with your track wheels on the street. Those SSRs bend like buttah. Chester --- FS <freestat@stny.rr.com> wrote: > I went with Tirerack SSR Comps and Kumho v700 235/40/17 all around; a little > more balanced handling now at Watkins Glen, can rotate tires a little more > easily for wear, and the SSR's are much easier to clean than the BBS (but > then I'm lazy ;-) > > Though RGR's were my 2nd choice... > > FS
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#10. Z3 Alarm Wiring Harness/receptacles? - from David Heckendorf
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 17:27:17 -0700 From: David Heckendorf <daveheckendorf@gmail.com> Subject: Z3 Alarm Wiring Harness/receptacles? Anybody know where I can get either a harness adapter kit or the receptacle equivalent of the OE Alarm Head unit and Siren for a '98 Z3? While I could easily install the OE head unit (made by Alpine if I recall correctly), I'm not really impressed by the feature set (glorified keyless entry system) and would like to be able to install something better without having to hack-up the car's wiring harness but rather have it Plug-and-Play. I already know all the pin-outs, I'm just trying to find the jacks to match what's on the wiring harness... I would also in be interested in wiring harness adapters for Audio head unit. Thx!, Dave