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#1. would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? group -- (seems it's my week to send a post deluge ;-) today in the parking garage at work, i was crossing a speedbump going very slowly (1-2mph) and heard a BANG! sound. since one wheel was on the flat ground and the other on the bump (i was turning into a parking space which necessitated this state), my guess was that one of the front swaybar brackets had given way. sure enough, that was the case. i could see the broken bracket from under the car. i have RD swaybars and am using the urethane bushings. i found this post from the archives that describes why the bracket breaks with this setup: http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/Archive_2001_01_digest_805-894/digest883.htm#1 so my question: if you were in this situation, would you drive 10 miles to a dealer to get the part and 2 miles back home to install it, or would you not drive at all? seems to me that the greatest risk is to have the other side break too, then the swaybar would droop a bit. i'm not sure if it would hit the ground... thanks zs
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#2. RE: RG-R's - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:54:27 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: RG-R's A spacer gives you more track and will make the car perform better in most cases. You are typically better off with as much width as you can get on the E36 - 20mm is the max we use. Wider tires will not allow this and it does take a big fender roll in some instances. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 Hey James, I was just curious as to why you guys use a spacer on these rims. They seem to fit perfectly on my E36 M3 w/H&R Sport and Konis. Jeff
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#3. Re: [E36M3] WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: - from FS
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:41:48 -0400 From: "FS" <freestat@stny.rr.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: I have to say that although I love my SSR's, the hubcentric ring/springclip is lame -- don't ever let the circlip (holding the ring in) get inbetween the hub and inner-wheel surface or you'll find the wheels/lugnuts are NOT tight any longer after a few laps, even after proper torqueing. Ask me how I know... -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:30:01 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's I am changing the thread direction again. Do the BBS RG-R's use hubcentric rings like the SSR Comp's or they machined to fit the BMW hub without the rings? Thanks, -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com
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#4. RE: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:46:15 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? The swaybar simply controls the amount of body roll allowed by the soft shock settings and springs required to make a car bearable to drive on the street. Since one bracket is broken, you should have no stress at all on the swaybar or the other mount. This is a long way of saying, "no problem driving to get the part(s)". Just drive gently and be aware that you will have a bit more body roll that you are used to. Good Luck, Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Zack Steinkamp [mailto:edsarkiss@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:34 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? group -- (seems it's my week to send a post deluge ;-) today in the parking garage at work, i was crossing a speedbump going very slowly (1-2mph) and heard a BANG! sound. since one wheel was on the flat ground and the other on the bump (i was turning into a parking space which necessitated this state), my guess was that one of the front swaybar brackets had given way. sure enough, that was the case. i could see the broken bracket from under the car. i have RD swaybars and am using the urethane bushings. i found this post from the archives that describes why the bracket breaks with this setup: http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/Archive_2001_01_digest_805-894/digest883.htm#1 so my question: if you were in this situation, would you drive 10 miles to a dealer to get the part and 2 miles back home to install it, or would you not drive at all? seems to me that the greatest risk is to have the other side break too, then the swaybar would droop a bit. i'm not sure if it would hit the ground... thanks zs ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:41:18 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? I drove in that situation about 40 miles with my E30 M3. Doesn't handle well, so don't go fast. Kent Zack Steinkamp wrote: >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) >From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> >Subject: would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? > >group -- (seems it's my week to send a post deluge ;-) > >today in the parking garage at work, i was crossing a >speedbump going very slowly (1-2mph) and heard a BANG! >sound. > >since one wheel was on the flat ground and the other >on the bump (i was turning into a parking space which >necessitated this state), my guess was that one of the >front swaybar brackets had given way. > >sure enough, that was the case. i could see the >broken bracket from under the car. > >i have RD swaybars and am using the urethane bushings. > i found this post from the archives that describes >why the bracket breaks with this setup: > >http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/Archive_2001_01_digest_805-894/digest883.htm#1 > >so my question: if you were in this situation, would >you drive 10 miles to a dealer to get the part and 2 >miles back home to install it, or would you not drive >at all? > >seems to me that the greatest risk is to have the >other side break too, then the swaybar would droop a >bit. i'm not sure if it would hit the ground... > >thanks >zs > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt
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#6. Passenger rubber door gasket - torn - from Tucker Ryals
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:49:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Tucker Ryals <tuckerryals@yahoo.com> Subject: Passenger rubber door gasket - torn The gasket around the passenger door opening on my car has ripped at the very top corner, towards the rear of the car. I assume that spot sees the most abuse from the windows lowering and raising slightly as the door opens and closes. Interestingly, the driver side is fine, which certainly sees more use. As for my question, does anyone know of a vendor for this other than the dealer? List price is $180. Having to constantly open the door to put the window up is a pain, but $180 seems shocking for a simple rubber gasket. Thanks, Tucker Ryals Gainesville, FL __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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#7. Re: RG-R's - from Jeff Kumler
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Kumler <jdkumler@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RG-R's Hey James, I was just curious as to why you guys use a spacer on these rims. They seem to fit perfectly on my E36 M3 w/H&R Sport and Konis. Jeff Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:32:55 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's Machined to fit correctly. 40et in a 17x8, I use a 15mm spacer. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#8. Re: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:53:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] would you drive with one broken front swaybar bracket? thanks everyone for the replies. the consensus is that driving the car shouldn't be a safety problem, just to expect less from it handling-wise and replace the bracket as soon as is convenient. zs --- Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:29:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Zack Steinkamp <edsarkiss@yahoo.com> > Subject: would you drive with one broken front > swaybar bracket? > > group -- (seems it's my week to send a post deluge > ;-) > > today in the parking garage at work, i was crossing > a > speedbump going very slowly (1-2mph) and heard a > BANG! > sound. > > since one wheel was on the flat ground and the other > on the bump (i was turning into a parking space > which > necessitated this state), my guess was that one of > the > front swaybar brackets had given way. > > sure enough, that was the case. i could see the > broken bracket from under the car. > > i have RD swaybars and am using the urethane > bushings. > i found this post from the archives that describes > why the bracket breaks with this setup: > > http://www.bmw-m.net/Digest/Archive_2001_01_digest_805-894/digest883.htm#1 > > so my question: if you were in this situation, would > you drive 10 miles to a dealer to get the part and 2 > miles back home to install it, or would you not > drive > at all? > > seems to me that the greatest risk is to have the > other side break too, then the swaybar would droop a > bit. i'm not sure if it would hit the ground... > > thanks > zs > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#9. Re: WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:08:43 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: WAS: 17x8 BBS RGR thoughts / experiences? NOW: SSR's on 8/26/04 3:23 PM, Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am changing the thread direction again. Do the BBS RG-R's use hubcentric > rings like the SSR Comp's or they machined to fit the BMW hub without the > rings? Rex brings up an interesting point. I really dislike those separate hubcentric rings. At one of the Putnam schools this year a car came in with vibration and a very visible wheel wobble. At first we thought he'd bent a wheel, but it turned out that one wheel had two rings, one of which was jammed half in and half out of the wheel bore. The part hanging out of course prevented the wheel's mounting face from seating on the hub. And no prizes for guessing that one of the other wheels was missing its ring. The wheels had been mounted by a mechanic, not by the owner. So I ask myself whether wheels that require a ring to make them fit are a good idea. Shouldn't they just be machined right in the first place? (My own track wheels are the "sale wheel of the month" from Tire Rack about 7 years ago, but at least they fit properly.) Neil 96 M3
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Selector Shaft Seals - from Marc Plante
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 17:23:36 -0400 From: "Marc Plante" <marc@plante.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Selector Shaft Seals Kind of a PIA... You need to drop the exhaust and move the drive shaft. Then you need to work very carefully to get out the old seal without gouging the surrounding casing. When you seat the new seal make sure it s absolutely square before driving it home. If it's not, you get to redo the job. Also, while you're in there and have everything open, you may as well replace the drive shaft seal on the transmission (which is usually what fails, and the selector joint coupling (a major source of slack in sloppy shifters). Give your Guibo and tranny supports a good look too since you're down there. It took me about 4 hours of fiddling with a lift and air tools at my disposal(Not really needed except for sticky exhaust components. You definitely want to have the right tools to seat the seals, and I'd have a couple seals in case you mangle one during installation. They're fairly fragile. Marc Plante E36 M3/4 Vienna, VA