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#1. Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:41:34 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted Quoting GGray657@aol.com: > The only time it rattles any is when I pull in the garage and I have > the Radio > off... LOL! That's hilarious. (Think about it :-)) Jim Bassett - warped sense of humor, esp. now, waiting for Fri (25-Hour Enduro) - Hi Jonathan! <bg> ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted - from GGray657@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:44:27 EST From: GGray657@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted LOL!! errr... well... I can't hear anything but the sucking CAI and the SUpersprint Race muffler while I drive Gary Gray Pro Bike/Pro Bike Cycling Team
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:45:53 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted Quoting Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu>: > Sure am glad I bought that Nomex suit last year for driving schools > since this may start a flame war but Well, then we're both donning our Nomex, 'cause I basically agree with you. :-) > For a street car I wouldn't recommend unless you are part of the fast > and furious crowd. Well, I wouldn't put it *quite* like that :-) But for me, I'd want to avoid any unwanted rattling (don't get me started on my driver's side door!). > If a dedicated track or race car, then the lower rotating mass will help > in accelerating and braking. And aids in rev matching as well - I love the ltw flywheel in the race car. Makes the car so much easier to drive. My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - getting a new STOCK flywheel next week :-) 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 - Turner LTW flywheel, very nice ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
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#4. WTB: E36 M3 3.23 Rear End/3.2L OE flywheel - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:53:12 -0500 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: WTB: E36 M3 3.23 Rear End/3.2L OE flywheel Anyone in the So. Calif. area have a nice low miles 3.23 rear end they would like to sell? I am moving my 97 to STU next year, and I sold my original one since I assumed any reasonable autox class would allow update/backdate. ;-) Same question for a 3.2L OE flywheel? Chris 97 M3/4 last 2004 autox's are this weekend, so STU is on my mind...
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#5. RE: [E36M3] CPO or no? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:50:13 -0500 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] CPO or no? The e46 is a great chassis and even in the i and xi form handles surprisingly well, although it feels a little less roomy inside vs the e36. Brake rotors can warp if run hard, but as long as there is a warranty they are covered no questions. If it's CPO, are they extending another 3 years as they typically do? Other stuff like the typical bmw software reflashes which cured a clunky shifting auto, and replacement of a coilpack. None of which would keep me from recommending the car or owning one myself. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Manger [mailto:Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:17 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] CPO or no? Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:12:48 -0500 From: Robert Manger <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: CPO or no? Hi group I am thinking about picking up a new to me 3 series xi car for the misses. anyone have any problems with warranty coverage or other unforseen issues with buying a car from the dealer? or about this car in general. She currently drives an A6 which she has decided is too big and wants something smaller and with a 5 spd, gotta love that. Thanks rob ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? - from Jim Powell
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:18:12 -0800 From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? Many, many people think the 4 door E46 feels lighter and more responsive than the 2 door version. I had both the 2 and 4 door version of the MY2000 328i and I detested the 2 door version. I couldn't unload the "Buick" fast enough. I love the 4 door version though. I haven't bought a E46 M3 because of my experience with the 2 door 328. Blah!!! I did buy a VW Jetta 1.8T for my daughter for her 18th birthday. What a fun little car. Must resist the urge to dink with turbo...... Jim > The e46 is a great chassis and even in the i and xi form handles > surprisingly well> > Patrick Goss > 97 M3/4
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#7. Subject: CPO or no? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:32:30 -0500 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Subject: CPO or no? Rob, Hello. I bought my e36 as a CPO car a few years ago.. Here is what I see as the good/bad. Good 1. The car will generally have 1-2 yrs of factory warranty left. 2. The dealer doing to CPO "has to make sure" that everything is up to BMW spec's before they sell the car. 3. You get an extra 2 years / 50k of a warranty from BMW that is close to the original factory. 4. If you bring the car back during the CPO coverage, it only costs you $50 out of pocket. You can bring in a list of things that are wrong. Bad. 1. The dealer usually does not check everything out.. You should. If you find anything that the dealer should have caught, then you can make him repair / replace it. E.g.. On my e36, the front tires were different from the rears. I did not really care about it until about a year later when I found out that a CPO car must have the same type of tires all around. I went back to the dealer and pointed out this fact to him. He really only needed to replace 2 of the tires, so he and I made a deal, and I paid dealer prices for 2 of them, and the dealer covered the other 2. (4 brand new S03's for the cost of less than 2!) 2. I believe that the radio is excluded from the CPO. 3. The dealer may try to convince you that the CPO is worth several thousand dollars.. I do not believe this. It is worth a little more.. How much is up to you.. I brought my car back for the typical e36 issues during the factory and CPO coverage times.. They took care of everything. I was very pleased with the experience.. I do believe that the CPO program has undergone several changes, so I would suggest that you find out EVERYTHING about the current program... Hope this helps Mo -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:12:48 -0500 From: Robert Manger <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: CPO or no? Hi group I am thinking about picking up a new to me 3 series xi car for the misses. anyone have any problems with warranty coverage or other unforseen issues with buying a car from the dealer? or about this car in general. She currently drives an A6 which she has decided is too big and wants something smaller and with a 5 spd, gotta love that. Thanks rob
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#8. Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:40:08 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? Here's some random thoughts based upon almost 60K miles: I really like my 330i 5 Spd. It handles the Chicago snow very well with snow tires installed. Personally I wouldn't bother with the extra expense or weight penalty of the Xi. My previous car was an Audi A4 with Quattro which IMO made almost no difference in the winter over the 330i The E46 is a stiffer chassis than the E36 but seems like a much more comfortable car than the E36 but it isn't as fast as my modified 95 M3. I have the sport package and like the SP seats a great deal. The only problems I have had with the car have both been repaired under warranty and are: Xenon headlight computer failure (~$1000), and the sunroof liner came off its tracks. I replaced the suspension with H&R coilovers/UUC sway bars because the stock sport shocks were getting a little rubbery at 25K miles and the dealer wouldn't replace them saying that they were still within spec. I just replaced the RTABs at 56K miles. I installed a UUC short shift kit at about 5K miles. The stock SP tires Continentals lasted 30K miles. The throttle pedal is pretty non-linear in feel, it's tough to modulate. The clutch feel is almost non-existant, it is hard to shift smoothly at slower speeds (although it's better now than when new). My car has every option, Sport Package, Cold weather package, Premium package, Bi-xenons, Harmon Kardon, Nav system, CD changer, Alarm, Split folding rear seats, 18" M-V spoke wheels. I paid $43K for it in 2002. I was talking to my local dealer last week about trading it in on an 05 M3 and they offered me $18,500 in trade for it. This is well below KBB, they gave me the old song and dance about no automatic and it being the wrong color (it's Steel Blue Metallic with Black leather interior). All that being said, it's one of the best cars that I have owned. Just don't buy a new one the depreciation will make you cry. Regards Jamie Howton
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#9. Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:00:40 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? LOL - steel blue on black with a stick and sport package sounds just about perfect to me. Dealer is feeding you a line - those trade in values are highly negotiable. I once traded in a 540iT for $1K less than I paid for it after owning for 1 year and logging 10K miles - to a BMW dealer no less. Of course, I was purchasing a CPO M5 which probably represented a nice profit for them anyway. I then traded in the M5 with ~1 year left on the CPO for a brand new Z06. I ended up getting $6500 more than their original offer on that trade but it took me more than 1 hour - and they really wanted to sell the Corvette, what with the C6 due out weeks later...... But I ended up getting a brand new Z06 in a straight accross trade for a 4 year old car w/ 48K miles on it - seemed like a good deal to me ;-) Scott Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:40:08 -0600 From: Jamie Howton Subject: Re: [E36M3] CPO or no? Here's some random thoughts based upon almost 60K miles: I really like my 330i 5 Spd. It handles the Chicago snow very well with snow tires installed. Personally I wouldn't bother with the extra expense or weight penalty of the Xi. My previous car was an Audi A4 with Quattro which IMO made almost no difference in the winter over the 330i The E46 is a stiffer chassis than the E36 but seems like a much more comfortable car than the E36 but it isn't as fast as my modified 95 M3. I have the sport package and like the SP seats a great deal. The only problems I have had with the car have both been repaired under warranty and are: Xenon headlight computer failure (~$1000), and the sunroof liner came off its tracks. I replaced the suspension with H&R coilovers/UUC sway bars because the stock sport shocks were getting a little rubbery at 25K miles and the dealer wouldn't replace them saying that they were still within spec. I just replaced the RTABs at 56K miles. I installed a UUC short shift kit at about 5K miles. The stock SP tires Continentals lasted 30K miles. The throttle pedal is pretty non-linear in feel, it's tough to modulate. The clutch feel is almost non-existant, it is hard to shift smoothly at slower speeds (although it's better now than when new). My car has every option, Sport Package, Cold weather package, Premium package, Bi-xenons, Harmon Kardon, Nav system, CD changer, Alarm, Split folding rear seats, 18" M-V spoke wheels. I paid $43K for it in 2002. I was talking to my local dealer last week about trading it in on an 05 M3 and they offered me $18,500 in trade for it. This is well below KBB, they gave me the old song and dance about no automatic and it being the wrong color (it's Steel Blue Metallic with Black leather interior). All that being said, it's one of the best cars that I have owned. Just don't buy a new one the depreciation will make you cry. Regards Jamie Howton ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:12:04 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch/LWT Flywheel Insights Wanted << Jim Bassett - warped sense of humor, esp. now, waiting for Fri (25-Hour Enduro) Hi Jonathan! >> haha! Hi Jim. Yeah... my mental state is a bit odd now, after a couple of very rough days at work, and being so antsy about getting up to Thunderhill. I can't believe it's only Wednesday now. ARGH!!! I'm looking at Friday's testing as the start of the fun, though. Anyway, back to the topic at hand... LWT flywheels. I had the UUC stage2 w/Sachs Power Clutch installed at 130K miles (at 135K + now) and I absolutely love it. Per what I read and what I heard from Rob at UUC, if you track the car, you're better off getting the upgraded Sachs clutch vs. the OE M5 clutch, as you'll probably get slip with the M5 unit. This one GRABS, and only takes a couple of days to become smooth from a stop again. If you track your car and don't mind some extra "high-performance" (haha!) sounds, then do it! If you mostly drive on the street and don't want to hear your tranny, don't. It's not terribly loud, and virtually silent when cold, but you can hear it. Especially when the fluid is warm. It only makes sounds at idle (less than apx. 1200 rpm by my estimation) and sometimes emits some sounds when you let off the throttle at high speeds. You'll definitely get out of corners with a bit more kick and rev matching is a beautiful thing. I took mine for a test drive right after having it installed and couldn't believe how easily it revved, or how easily the rear tires would spint (2nd gear and NOT trying to go fast... worn Toyo T1-Ss, however). The clutch is lighter feeling and engagement is noticeable. With factor clutch/fly, it's actually a bit vague as to where it engages. With this set up, you get a bit of a kick. Easy to modulate on the street, however, but provides a nice kick on track. Jonathan L.