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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil pan? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 09:58:47 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil pan? On Jan 26, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Jim Bassett wrote: >> Now I *maybe* get it braking into 11, depending on how hot the lap is. >> Remember, that's with a 30 psi sender. > > I think I've asked before - do you still have the factory sender as > well? Nope. >> It's a big PITA to >> install, but it's worth it. > > I can't recall, did you do that separately, or at the time Bill and I > did > your main bearings & secured your oil pump nut? Definitely a PITA if > you > pulled the pan just for that. Tony (www.tcdesignfab.com) did it separately. Doing it upfront would have involved actual planning ahead (to be fair, I don't the Turner baffle kit existed when we built the car). - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Murray Roblin
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:02:02 -0800 From: Murray Roblin <mdrlist@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) Jamie's comments are right on. I did mine with the car on jackstands and a buddy to help lift the transmission. I think that a transmission jack would have been a big help. Perhaps next time for the lightweight flywheel install. Murray
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#3. Re: RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:24:48 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil pan?> Here's a link to the oil pump nut procedure, which encompasses removing the oil pan. I bought my TMS baffles already welded into a surplus oil pan and just swapped it out, so avoiding all the specialized welding etc. If any other 3.2 owner is interested going this route I have the take-off oil pan (very clean inside, not so much outside). http://m3.digital7.com/oilpumpnut.htm Neil 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - New arrival, Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S built and awaiting shipment
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#4. RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:28:32 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) At 01:06 PM 1/26/2005, Bill wrote: >You hit the nail on the head. The exhaust added 3 hrs to my job. Would >have been done in 8 if the exhaust was in better shape. Did the job with >AC jack stands and AC jack. With 112K miles all of the exhaust fasteners >were frozen. Broke 2 studs on the manifold (those were fun to replace), >the muffler bracket was rusted so bad the bolts were not recognizable, >had to cut them. Hangers were ripped too. Luckily - the exhaust should be THAT hard since the PO's dealer shop had it down several times in the not-too-distant past (last time to replace the cats..) The nut on the rear mounts is rusty, but I'm planning on Kroil every night for a week before even trying. The mounts themselves are intact. >My while you are in there was: friction disk, pressure plate, pilot >bearing, fork pivot, release bearing, new pressure plate bolts, guibo, >pre-cat O2 sensors, all new exhaust hangers, bolts (SS), and gaskets >(the hangers were very pricy), rear trans enforcers, rebuilt the shift >linkage to the gear selector rod on the trans (source of tons of shift >slop! -came as an assembly), and shift kit. Drive shaft and all related >parts looked great. All exhaust bolts back on with anti-seize. I don't see mention of a flywheel - which I'm hoping I don't need. I have done clutches before and never had to replace a flywheel. If one looked glazed - 15 minutes with a power-palm sander and 280 paper cleaned them up rather nicely. Since it isn't slipping and isn't grabbing, I don't expect the flywheel to be torn up or glazed. I hope. >An independent wanted $950 for the very basic job, would have been very >far north of that when all was said and done. Besides, it had been 15yrs >since I had done a clutch and wanted to prove I still had it. It's been ummmmm... wow... at least 20 and probably 25 since I last did one. Did it on a friends lift.... wonder if he still has the lift? >--Bill Anyone in NJ with a lift want to share it? Could do a nice FAQ on doing the whole job.. _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#5. RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil pan? - from AVUSM3@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:32:01 EST From: AVUSM3@aol.com Subject: RE: lifter ticking with dual-pickup oil pump and LTW oil pan? Mark - Great data points. I have been hearing that a lot of the starvation was probably occuring under braking but it is always nice to see the facts. Does your car tick at all after installing the TMS baffles? Thanks, John On Jan 26, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Burgess, Kim L wrote: > A fellow list member has done this as well > http://www.brazeauracing.com/oilpan.htm I have the Turner baffle kit in my E36 325is (M50). I've got a VDO oil pressure gauge as well as a Big Frickin' Idiot Light (aka ABL - Hi Jim!) connected to a 30 psi sender. Before the baffle I'd get the light flickering or coming on in the following places at Thunderhill: - braking into 2 - braking into 5 - braking into 11 Now I *maybe* get it braking into 11, depending on how hot the lap is. Remember, that's with a 30 psi sender. I'm still going to do an Accusump at some point (it's cheap insurance), but the Turner baffle kit made a big difference. It's a big PITA to install, but it's worth it. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) Hey Don. If you're interested, Wayne and I offer flywheel/clutch services starting at $400. He has a lift and we'll drop the exhaust, tranny, etc. We always use torque wrenches and factory BMW tools when necessary. I'll even give you a good deal on a BTG Racing LTW flywheel :) Chester --- Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> wrote: > Anyone in NJ with a lift want to share it? Could do a nice FAQ > on doing the whole job.. =====
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#7. Re: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:58:21 -0500 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? Thanks! Haven't really thought about redoing sets of wheels for people but I'm sure if it was local (shipping would be a pain I'm sure) I could work something out. Or if anyone wants to know more details for the project or has questions, feel free to shoot them my way. Not claiming to be an expert on wheel restoration but I might have a few tips to share at least. ted > Nice work Ted, so how much do you charge? > > Here are the pictures (sorry not in chronological order and pictures > are missing of the wheels completely sanded down): > > http://www.cilon.com/pictures/folder/m3/mcontours
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#8. RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Townsend, William
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:58:38 -0500 From: "Townsend, William" <wtownsen@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) Yea my flywheel was in good shape. Had the typical grey look like a rotor that was bedded in. Had some of the darker squiggly patches as I have seen on many good flywheels. No scoring or cracking at all. No reason to turn one of these things if all is well. And the proof it was fine is in the fact that the engagement is very smooth and has been right from the first use. If yours was shot, great excuse to get a lightened flywheel and convert to a stronger clutch package... And I also use Royal Purple Synchromax and it has been great in both the M3 and 328. Ran it in my 98 540 with the 6-speed too. Great stuff. Winters are cold here and shifting the 328 at sub zero is smooth and effortless. Smoothed out the M3 transmission at the track too. --Bill Groton, MA 96 M3 97 328 -----Original Message----- From: Don Eilenberger [mailto:deilenberger@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:29 PM To: E36M3 Cc: Townsend, William Subject: RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) At 01:06 PM 1/26/2005, Bill wrote: >You hit the nail on the head. The exhaust added 3 hrs to my job. Would >have been done in 8 if the exhaust was in better shape. Did the job >with AC jack stands and AC jack. With 112K miles all of the exhaust >fasteners were frozen. Broke 2 studs on the manifold (those were fun to >replace), the muffler bracket was rusted so bad the bolts were not >recognizable, had to cut them. Hangers were ripped too. Luckily - the exhaust should be THAT hard since the PO's dealer shop had it down several times in the not-too-distant past (last time to replace the cats..) The nut on the rear mounts is rusty, but I'm planning on Kroil every night for a week before even trying. The mounts themselves are intact. >My while you are in there was: friction disk, pressure plate, pilot >bearing, fork pivot, release bearing, new pressure plate bolts, guibo, >pre-cat O2 sensors, all new exhaust hangers, bolts (SS), and gaskets >(the hangers were very pricy), rear trans enforcers, rebuilt the shift >linkage to the gear selector rod on the trans (source of tons of shift >slop! -came as an assembly), and shift kit. Drive shaft and all related >parts looked great. All exhaust bolts back on with anti-seize. I don't see mention of a flywheel - which I'm hoping I don't need. I have done clutches before and never had to replace a flywheel. If one looked glazed - 15 minutes with a power-palm sander and 280 paper cleaned them up rather nicely. Since it isn't slipping and isn't grabbing, I don't expect the flywheel to be torn up or glazed. I hope. >An independent wanted $950 for the very basic job, would have been very >far north of that when all was said and done. Besides, it had been >15yrs since I had done a clutch and wanted to prove I still had it. It's been ummmmm... wow... at least 20 and probably 25 since I last did one. Did it on a friends lift.... wonder if he still has the lift? >--Bill Anyone in NJ with a lift want to share it? Could do a nice FAQ on doing the whole job.. _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________(c)1946____ ____ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#9. RE: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:59:47 -0500 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) What Chester forgot to mention that Don may not know is that the lift and tools are located in Northern NJ. -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 1:56 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) Hey Don. If you're interested, Wayne and I offer flywheel/clutch services starting at $400. He has a lift and we'll drop the exhaust, tranny, etc. We always use torque wrenches and factory BMW tools when necessary. I'll even give you a good deal on a BTG Racing LTW flywheel :) Chester --- Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> wrote: > Anyone in NJ with a lift want to share it? Could do a nice FAQ on > doing the whole job.. ===== ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:15:07 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: 2nd gear shudder update and clutch question (stiff clutch) At 01:58 PM 1/26/2005, Townsend, William wrote: >Yea my flywheel was in good shape. Had the typical grey look like a >rotor that was bedded in. Had some of the darker squiggly patches as I >have seen on many good flywheels. No scoring or cracking at all. No >reason to turn one of these things if all is well. And the proof it was >fine is in the fact that the engagement is very smooth and has been >right from the first use. Kinda what I suspected. Actually.... IMHO - brake rotors are also replaced lots of times when they don't need to be. Ancient history.. Skip it if you want.. back in the old days - think 35 years ago - it was common to just slap a new set of pads on if the rotors weren't TOO torn up by the metal to metal contact with the pad backing plate.. Braking would be sub-optimal for a short while, but once the new pads bedded in, and the rougher parts of the rotor smoothed out a bit - the brakes worked fine. Got to try this recently on my son's POS Volvo.. It went metal to metal, and since it's only used locally to haul junk around now - I just threw a set of $12 NAPA pads in it, after about 40 miles - it's braking just fine.. but I digress.. >If yours was shot, great excuse to get a lightened flywheel and convert >to a stronger clutch package... I suppose - especially since the lightweight flywheel would probably cost less than a new BMW one.. >And I also use Royal Purple Synchromax and it has been great in both the >M3 and 328. Ran it in my 98 540 with the 6-speed too. Great stuff. >Winters are cold here and shifting the 328 at sub zero is smooth and >effortless. Smoothed out the M3 transmission at the track too. Absolutely agree - wonderful stuff. This tranny felt notchy before the Synchromax - it is very smooth now, even when cold. >--Bill >Groton, MA >96 M3 >97 328 _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#11. RE: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 14:14:13 -0500 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? Actually I have a follow up question, once sanded how was the porosity, or texture/finish of the bare metal? Would a spin polish with the proper chemicals/time/energy produce nice results in your opinion? One could simply follow with a clear coat and walla, nice bling.... Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Theodore Serbinski [mailto:stanson@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 2:06 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:58:21 -0500 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] where to buy wurth's paint? Thanks! Haven't really thought about redoing sets of wheels for people but I'm sure if it was local (shipping would be a pain I'm sure) I could work something out. Or if anyone wants to know more details for the project or has questions, feel free to shoot them my way. Not claiming to be an expert on wheel restoration but I might have a few tips to share at least. ted > Nice work Ted, so how much do you charge? > > Here are the pictures (sorry not in chronological order and pictures > are missing of the wheels completely sanded down): > > http://www.cilon.com/pictures/folder/m3/mcontours ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************