E36M3 #4157

Wednesday, March 02, 2005 14:56:50

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#1. Re: Heated mirror glass source - from RonStygar@aol.com
#2. RE:[E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from Michael, Dave
#3. Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from Greg Cagle
#4. [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from nabli@earthlink.net
#5. RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster - from Don Eilenberger
#6. RE: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from nabli@earthlink.net
#7. RTAB R&R - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
#8. Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Carl Stern
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Hans Batra
#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Tom Reynolds
#11. Re: [E36M3] RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster - from Kent L. Shephard

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#1. Re: Heated mirror glass source - from RonStygar@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:08:08 EST From: RonStygar@aol.com Subject: Re: Heated mirror glass source Drivers side heated mirror 51 16 2 259 035 suggested retail is $69.75. Passenger side heated mirror 51 16 2 257 556 suggested retail is $69.75. Jay Lilley at Nashville BMW will discount 25% from suggested retail. For remove/install instructions, connect to: http://www.unofficialbmw.com/e36/exterior/e36_wide_angle_mirror_install.html

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#2. RE:[E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from Michael, Dave
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:31:23 -0500 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: RE:[E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Greg, Andrej- The euro-glass sounds like just the ticket. What/where was your source(s) for euro-mirror glass? Dealer item? Part numbers? Thanks! Dave > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:10:27 -0800 > From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? > > I replaced mine with the Euro mirror glass on both sides some > time ago. My understanding at the time was that the Euro > glass heats to a higher temp than the stock US glass (?). > > - Greg >

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from Greg Cagle
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:32:24 -0800 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Dealer only - see Ron Stygar's mail for part numbers. - Greg Michael, Dave wrote: > Greg, Andrej- > > The euro-glass sounds like just the ticket. What/where was your > source(s) for euro-mirror glass? Dealer item? Part numbers? > > Thanks! > > Dave > > > >>-------------------- 5 -------------------- >>Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:10:27 -0800 >>From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> >>Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? >> >>I replaced mine with the Euro mirror glass on both sides some >>time ago. My understanding at the time was that the Euro >>glass heats to a higher temp than the stock US glass (?). >> >>- Greg >> > > > > -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com

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#4. [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from nabli@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:35:09 -0500 From: <nabli@earthlink.net> Subject: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Correct. All U.S. E36 M3s came standard with heated mirrors and washer jets. They were options on other 3 series and gradually phased in as standard or packaged with an option. Cheers, Jim E. -----Original Message----- From: Andrej Dolenc [mailto:adolenc@erols.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re[4]: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:24:11 -0500 From: Andrej Dolenc <adolenc@erols.com> Subject: Re[4]: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? I didn't think they were an option, thought that all M3's came with them. Along with heated windshield washer nozzles, and door locks. Andrej '97 M3 > Heated mirrors was an option was it not? How does one know if they have it > or not? > Patrick Goss > 97 M3/4

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#5. RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:35:30 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster Dave posted: >As a follow up on the hyper active tachometer and stumbling issue that I've >been experiencing, I swapped out my gauge cluster with a friends and all the >issues went away. My guess now is that either a component in the gauge >itself or as part of the cluster has went bad and I need to replace >mine. Does anyone have one that they are willing to sell? A quick search >of ebay last night found two at around $50, but one had been modified with >funky white gauge faces and the other was from an automatic (M3 Automatic >- WITW?) so I would rather get one that nobody has dinked with if >possible. My car is a 95 if that makes a difference - anybody know? > >Thanks, > >Dave A >Wacky Tachy ///M3 Dunno.. but I know the E34 series had the odometer tampering warning, which shows a red dot next to the odometer reading if the cluster doesn't match the mileage recorded in the hidden module.. I would expect the E36 to have it also since it was a later design. Just curious if this showed up on your friends cluster after installing it in your car? AFAIK - the only way around this is to have the replacement cluster pre-configured for the correct miles before installation.

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#6. RE: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? - from nabli@earthlink.net
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:55:37 -0500 From: <nabli@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? 51 16 2 267 191/224 driver/pass. We did a group purchase on these a long time ago. Remember, the euro driver's mirror pushes things back just like our passenger mirror. The euro passenger mirror does not have the federally mandated warning. They do get hotter than the US versions. Don't ask me why. Cheers, Jim E. -----Original Message----- From: Michael, Dave [mailto:Dave_Michael@maxtor.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:37 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE:[E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:31:23 -0500 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: RE:[E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? Greg, Andrej- The euro-glass sounds like just the ticket. What/where was your source(s) for euro-mirror glass? Dealer item? Part numbers? Thanks! Dave > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 08:10:27 -0800 > From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Heated mirror glass source? > > I replaced mine with the Euro mirror glass on both sides some > time ago. My understanding at the time was that the Euro > glass heats to a higher temp than the stock US glass (?). > > - Greg > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#7. RTAB R&R - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:03:58 -0700 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RTAB R&R Now that the season is almost upon us, I need to R&R the RTABS on my '97. Is there a good writeup anywhere? I have the Bentley manual. Any words of wisdod over and above what the book says? TIA, Graeme

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#8. Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Carl Stern
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:16:32 -0700 From: Carl Stern <Carl.Stern@xilinx.com> Subject: Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... (Sorry for the late reply, I'm a digester.) I buy all my cars used, sell most of them myself. Same goes for my motorcycles. Scanning car ads is kind of my hobby (obsession) so I feel very qualified to give advice on this. Carl's tips: Use the newspaper. Most people don't want to hassle with shipping cars or buying them sight unseen. Your local buyer is your best bet. My garaged queen 95 M3 that I bought in 2001 with all of 14k miles on it came out of the good old Rocky Mountain News. This doesn't mean you shouldn't use the net, but paper still rules. Ebay and the like work great for rare/collector cars. Determine a fair price! Don't use the Roundel as a guide. They are all overpriced. To appraise, NADA is best followed by Edmunds. KBB is also high. People expect to pay less to a private party than a dealer. Overpriced cars sit, well priced cars sell. Know your market. Make sure you list the price! This greatly benefits you as a seller. There is a saying, "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it". This seems to be true for cars. People who ask too much don't put their price. Buyers assume this so they won't call. Also, you don't want to waste your time with bottom feeders looking for a steal. If you put your price, you have a better chance of hooking up with a realistic buyer. (This goes for those of you on this email list also.) Answer the phone! If I get voice mail, an answering machine or whatever, I usually hang up. I don't even know if I got the right person. If you plan on advertising over the weekend, stick around to take the calls. Some people actually are ready to buy that day. Be honest in listing and describing the car. Amazing how every car for sale is in excellent condition and has had oil changes every 3000 miles, isn't it? Have the car as clean as can be. Not only does that make the car more attractive, but I assume that if a person doesn't care how it looks than they may not be so good about maintenence either. True or not, that perception exists. Anal retentive owners have nice cars. Expect lots of tire kickers and jerks. Less than half the calls are serious buyers. Out of those, only a few will actually come look at the car. Many will set up an appt. and be no-shows. I suggest setting aside time that works for you and tell them they can come during that time. Don't inconvenience yourself setting up an appt that may not happen. I would not bring the car to anyone. Either a no-show may happen, or there have been reports of thefts that way. Some people don't even let people come to their house to see a car. That depends on your potential buyers, your neighborhood, your paranoia level, etc. Good luck. Carl Stern

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Hans Batra
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:33:50 -0500 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... Carl, Great advice!!! My company owns Autotrader - we share the same obsession. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Stern" <Carl.Stern@xilinx.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:26 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... > Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:16:32 -0700 > From: Carl Stern <Carl.Stern@xilinx.com> > Subject: Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... > > > (Sorry for the late reply, I'm a digester.) > > I buy all my cars used, sell most of them myself. Same goes for my > motorcycles. Scanning car ads is kind of my hobby (obsession) > so I feel very qualified to give advice on this. > > Carl's tips: > > Use the newspaper. > Most people don't want to hassle with shipping cars or buying them sight > unseen. Your local buyer is your best bet. My garaged queen 95 M3 that > I bought in 2001 with all of 14k miles on it came out of the good old Rocky > Mountain News. This doesn't mean you shouldn't use the net, but paper > still rules. > Ebay and the like work great for rare/collector cars. > > Determine a fair price! > Don't use the Roundel as a guide. They are all overpriced. > To appraise, NADA is best followed by Edmunds. KBB is also high. > People expect to pay less to a private party than a dealer. > Overpriced cars sit, well priced cars sell. Know your market. > > Make sure you list the price! > This greatly benefits you as a seller. There is a saying, > "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it". This seems > to be true for cars. People who ask too much don't put their price. > Buyers assume this so they won't call. Also, you don't want to waste > your time with bottom feeders looking for a steal. If you put your price, > you have a better chance of hooking up with a realistic buyer. > (This goes for those of you on this email list also.) > > Answer the phone! > If I get voice mail, an answering machine or whatever, I usually hang up. > I don't even know if I got the right person. If you plan on advertising > over the weekend, stick around to take the calls. Some people actually > are ready to buy that day. > > Be honest in listing and describing the car. > Amazing how every car for sale is in excellent condition and has had > oil changes every 3000 miles, isn't it? > Have the car as clean as can be. Not only does that make the car more > attractive, but I assume that if a person doesn't care how it looks than > they may not be so good about maintenence either. True or not, that > perception exists. Anal retentive owners have nice cars. > > Expect lots of tire kickers and jerks. Less than half the calls are > serious buyers. Out of those, only a few will actually come look at > the car. Many will set up an appt. and be no-shows. I suggest setting > aside time that works for you and tell them they can come during that time. > Don't inconvenience yourself setting up an appt that may not happen. > I would not bring the car to anyone. Either a no-show may happen, or there > have been reports of thefts that way. Some people don't even let people > come to their house to see a car. That depends on your potential buyers, > your neighborhood, your paranoia level, etc. > > Good luck. > > Carl Stern > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... - from Tom Reynolds
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:48:16 -0700 From: Tom Reynolds <kjtar@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... Intellichoice is a good site for setting realistic values as well. www.intellichoice.com Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK At 02:36 PM 03/02/2005 -0600, Hans Batra wrote: > >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:33:50 -0500 >From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... > >Carl, > >Great advice!!! My company owns Autotrader - we share the same obsession. > >Hans > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carl Stern" <Carl.Stern@xilinx.com> >To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 3:26 PM >Subject: [E36M3] Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... > > >> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:16:32 -0700 >> From: Carl Stern <Carl.Stern@xilinx.com> >> Subject: Re: OT: Tips for selling a car?... >> >> >> (Sorry for the late reply, I'm a digester.) >> >> I buy all my cars used, sell most of them myself. Same goes for my >> motorcycles. Scanning car ads is kind of my hobby (obsession) >> so I feel very qualified to give advice on this. >> >> Carl's tips: >> >> Use the newspaper. >> Most people don't want to hassle with shipping cars or buying them sight >> unseen. Your local buyer is your best bet. My garaged queen 95 M3 that >> I bought in 2001 with all of 14k miles on it came out of the good old >Rocky >> Mountain News. This doesn't mean you shouldn't use the net, but paper >> still rules. >> Ebay and the like work great for rare/collector cars. >> >> Determine a fair price! >> Don't use the Roundel as a guide. They are all overpriced. >> To appraise, NADA is best followed by Edmunds. KBB is also high. >> People expect to pay less to a private party than a dealer. >> Overpriced cars sit, well priced cars sell. Know your market. >> >> Make sure you list the price! >> This greatly benefits you as a seller. There is a saying, >> "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it". This seems >> to be true for cars. People who ask too much don't put their price. >> Buyers assume this so they won't call. Also, you don't want to waste >> your time with bottom feeders looking for a steal. If you put your price, >> you have a better chance of hooking up with a realistic buyer. >> (This goes for those of you on this email list also.) >> >> Answer the phone! >> If I get voice mail, an answering machine or whatever, I usually hang up. >> I don't even know if I got the right person. If you plan on advertising >> over the weekend, stick around to take the calls. Some people actually >> are ready to buy that day. >> >> Be honest in listing and describing the car. >> Amazing how every car for sale is in excellent condition and has had >> oil changes every 3000 miles, isn't it? >> Have the car as clean as can be. Not only does that make the car more >> attractive, but I assume that if a person doesn't care how it looks than >> they may not be so good about maintenence either. True or not, that >> perception exists. Anal retentive owners have nice cars. >> >> Expect lots of tire kickers and jerks. Less than half the calls are >> serious buyers. Out of those, only a few will actually come look at >> the car. Many will set up an appt. and be no-shows. I suggest setting >> aside time that works for you and tell them they can come during that >time. >> Don't inconvenience yourself setting up an appt that may not happen. >> I would not bring the car to anyone. Either a no-show may happen, or >there >> have been reports of thefts that way. Some people don't even let people >> come to their house to see a car. That depends on your potential buyers, >> your neighborhood, your paranoia level, etc. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Carl Stern >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > > >-- >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 02/01/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. 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#11. Re: [E36M3] RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:37:34 -0800 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster Actually, you can have the cluster match the plug once you change. I forget the procedure but it can be done. Kent Don Eilenberger wrote: > Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:35:30 -0500 > From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: Wacky tachy problem found - Need Gauge Cluster > > Dave posted: > >> As a follow up on the hyper active tachometer and stumbling issue >> that I've >> been experiencing, I swapped out my gauge cluster with a friends and >> all the >> issues went away. My guess now is that either a component in the >> gauge itself or as part of the cluster has went bad and I need to >> replace mine. Does anyone have one that they are willing to sell? A >> quick search of ebay last night found two at around $50, but one had >> been modified with funky white gauge faces and the other was from an >> automatic (M3 Automatic - WITW?) so I would rather get one that >> nobody has dinked with if possible. My car is a 95 if that makes a >> difference - anybody know? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave A >> Wacky Tachy ///M3 > > > Dunno.. but I know the E34 series had the odometer tampering warning, > which shows a red dot next to the odometer reading if the cluster > doesn't match the mileage recorded in the hidden module.. I would expect > the E36 to have it also since it was a later design. > > Just curious if this showed up on your friends cluster after > installing it in your car? > > AFAIK - the only way around this is to have the replacement cluster > pre-configured for the correct miles before installation. > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt

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