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#1. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from George R Carr Jr
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:56:08 -0700 From: George R Carr Jr <georgercarrjr@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 At 2:20 PM -0600 3/21/05, Kent L. Shephard wrote: >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:14:31 -0800 >From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > >Different cars. >I'm sure the '99 is less expensive but it is 6 years old. >You will have to dump a bunch of money into it to make it perform >like the E46. >The competition package is pretty sweet. > >It's you dime but if I had already prepped myself for the E46 there >is no way I'd settle for the E36. >Don't get me wrong I like my E36 but I was seriously considering >giving it to my wife and buying myself an E46. > >Kent Maybe. Maybe not. With a little money for the Conforti injector and cold intake I am not convinced at all that I want the E46M3. I've driven it a couple times and have not been willing to consider changing. If you want an E36M3 that rivals the E46M3 get Conforti's cam kit with injector for cam kit and cold air intake for cam kit. It can't cost as much as a new E46. To me, the E46M3 feels heavier as well. YMMV. -- =========================== georgercarrjr@earthlink.net
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Helmet Stuff - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:01:42 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Helmet Stuff Funny that this is the exact reason I prefer my Simpson Super Voyager over the Bell Helmets I tried. The "same size" helmet with Bell is so tight that I can't even think. Moral of the story, besides me having a giant head and Jim having a pinhead (haha!!!), is to try them on before purchasing. Jonathan L. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Agreed. That's another reason why I like the Bell helmets - they seem to come in smaller sizes that some other manufacturers. They were the about the only one that was able to fit my pinhead :-)
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#3. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:06:08 -0500 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 Hi Roan, If you autox or track, then the e36M3 is the easy winner! Case closed. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA BSP Champ '01 and '02 -----Original Message----- From: Low, Roan <Roan.Low@Kellogg.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:30:25 -0600 Subject: [E36M3] E46 or E36 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:21:49 -0600 From: "Low, Roan" <Roan.Low@Kellogg.com> Subject: E46 or E36 In January I totaled my 98 M3 and have been looking for a replacement since. Frustrated with not finding anything decent (IMHO), I then considered a new E46 with the Competition Package. Found a salesman & dealer prepared to give me a fantastic deal on an ordered one, and at about the same time I found a 99 M3 with fewer than 30k miles. If the e36 checks out, I am going to go with that, but am interested in the opinions of the group, plus was wondering if anyone would be as kind as to run a CarFax report on the VIN? WBSBG9338XEY83317 Thank, Roan. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:07:15 -0500 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 E36 with AA supercharger will beat the e46... -----Original Message----- From: George R Carr Jr [mailto:georgercarrjr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:00 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:56:08 -0700 From: George R Carr Jr <georgercarrjr@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 At 2:20 PM -0600 3/21/05, Kent L. Shephard wrote: >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:14:31 -0800 >From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > >Different cars. >I'm sure the '99 is less expensive but it is 6 years old. >You will have to dump a bunch of money into it to make it perform >like the E46. >The competition package is pretty sweet. > >It's you dime but if I had already prepped myself for the E46 there >is no way I'd settle for the E36. >Don't get me wrong I like my E36 but I was seriously considering >giving it to my wife and buying myself an E46. > >Kent Maybe. Maybe not. With a little money for the Conforti injector and cold intake I am not convinced at all that I want the E46M3. I've driven it a couple times and have not been willing to consider changing. If you want an E36M3 that rivals the E46M3 get Conforti's cam kit with injector for cam kit and cold air intake for cam kit. It can't cost as much as a new E46. To me, the E46M3 feels heavier as well. YMMV. -- =========================== georgercarrjr@earthlink.net ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Wacky Tachy - Part II - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:18:33 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Wacky Tachy - Part II Try finding someone else in your area with a 95 M3 that will let you swap DMEs for a while to see if that cures your problem. Mine stopped sending the tach signal and coolant temp signals to the cluster. However, the early part of the failure mode sounds like yours, a very irratic tach needle which would sometimes drop to zero and then start working again out of the blue. My dealership told me it was the cluster which I replaced only to have the problem persist. A used DME solved my problem. I had no running problems, at all though. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#6. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from twisty M3
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:20:47 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 Agreed! I've driven a few E46M3s in different mod levels on track and the only one that felt decent to me was the Dinan S2 equipped car with Brembos, race seats and R-compounds. For "feel," I'd still take my car over that one any day of the week, even on street tires. The E46M3 is certainly faster, but it doesn't feel like it, it feels heavier and it's just (to me) not as rewarding. Could be the years I've had my car, but everything I do in it just feels like an extension of myself. I don't get that in any of the E46s I've driven. As a street car, however, the E46M3 is probably a great choice for many reasons. And, for what it's worth, I know of some people who've driven the E46M3 with competition package and have been very enthusiastic about it, claiming that it's the way the car should've felt all along. Jonathan L. ----Original Message Follows---- From: mdriver13@aol.com Hi Roan, If you autox or track, then the e36M3 is the easy winner! Case closed. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA BSP Champ '01 and '02
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#7. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:36:20 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:30 PM, twisty M3 wrote: > As a street car, however, the E46M3 is probably a great choice for > many reasons. And, for what it's worth, I know of some people who've > driven the E46M3 with competition package and have been very > enthusiastic about it, claiming that it's the way the car should've > felt all along. I've heard the same thing, which is why I was a little disappointed when I drove my student's Comp package car at the GGC Infineon school. It seemed very soft.* Part of why it feels so heavy compared to an E36 (other than the fact that it is, in fact, heavier) is that it's wider, so it feels a bit less "tossable." There's also some vicious markup going on with the Comp package cars. BMW of SF had a one month ago with a $71K sticker (including $5K dealer markup). I kid you not. - Mark * this could easily be a driver calibration problem, given how stiff my race car is
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#8. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:53:01 -0800 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 Hi, But, it's still a six year old car. I like my E36 ('97) and I've had other BMW's. My favorite was an E30 M3. Felt better than the E36, but when I sold it, it was a 16 year old car. Everyone has different reasons for wanting a particular car. I like the E46 and even considered buying one. But the engine problems scare me off because I'll be buying used. Anyway, It's a tough decision. I should have such problems. Kent Patrick Goss - PA wrote: >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:07:15 -0500 >From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > >E36 with AA supercharger will beat the e46... > >-----Original Message----- >From: George R Carr Jr [mailto:georgercarrjr@earthlink.net] >Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:00 PM >To: E36M3 >Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:56:08 -0700 >From: George R Carr Jr <georgercarrjr@earthlink.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > >At 2:20 PM -0600 3/21/05, Kent L. Shephard wrote: > > >>Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:14:31 -0800 >>From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> >>Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 >> >>Different cars. >>I'm sure the '99 is less expensive but it is 6 years old. >>You will have to dump a bunch of money into it to make it perform >>like the E46. >>The competition package is pretty sweet. >> >>It's you dime but if I had already prepped myself for the E46 there >>is no way I'd settle for the E36. >>Don't get me wrong I like my E36 but I was seriously considering >>giving it to my wife and buying myself an E46. >> >>Kent >> >> > > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt
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#9. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from Scott Yu
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:59:57 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 WOW! That's some questionable value there, IMHO. I think that anyone buying that thing in the near future is going to seriously bummed in the fall when the new Z06 is released for roughly the same price. --- Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > There's also some vicious markup going on with the > Comp package cars. > BMW of SF had a one month ago with a $71K sticker > (including $5K dealer > markup). I kid you not. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/
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#10. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:09:56 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:00:26 -0600, Scott Yu <segascott@yahoo.com> wrote: > WOW! That's some questionable value there, IMHO. I > think that anyone buying that thing in the near future > is going to seriously bummed in the fall when the new > Z06 is released for roughly the same price. Or when they try to sell it in 3-4 years... -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL