-------------------- 1 --------------------
#1. Re: [E36M3] - from DLS
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:15:49 -0800 From: DLS <dlsspm@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JP - You still have that? Did you ever test it on Katarina? Dave - if you stay on the track most of the time, there is no need for a spinner knob. :) PitB On 3/21/05 12:50 PM, "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:42:53 -0800 > From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] > > Screw that. Tell the instructor to buckle up and shut up. I also have a > BMWCCA approved spinner knob I can sell you. I have NO IDEA how I ended up > with it ;) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: donna seeley [mailto:dlseeley@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:40 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] > > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:37:54 -0800 > From: donna seeley <dlseeley@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] > > LOL!! You'll do fine! > > Donna > > On 3/21/05 12:30 PM, "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:28:29 -0800 >> From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> >> >> Now repeat after me, "Dave, you don't know crap about track driving >> so do what your instructor tells you. Dave, you don't know crap about > track >> driving <etc> >> >> Thanks again folks! >> >> Dave > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1030 (20050319) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
-------------------- 2 --------------------
#2. Re: Cruise control acting "funny" - from Martin Bullen
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:20:52 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: Re: Cruise control acting "funny" Scott, Check the brake light switch. It's also the disconnect for the cruise (press brakes, cruise shuts off). When my second switch failed in the M3, the first symptom was erratic cruise operation (the second was brake lights on all the time).... HTH Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Mar 21, 2005, at 2:40 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:25:38 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> > Subject: Cruise control acting "funny" > > I have a strange issue with my cruise control from > time to time. I can't come up with any list of common > conditions that make it happen. Sometimes when I > engage the cruise, it will not hold speed. I'm not > sure if it's actually engaged or not, but the speed > drops steadily. If I fiddle with it, I may be able to > get it to engage eventually. Sometimes the speed will > actually increase after engagement. When I try to > cancel using the stalk, it actually takes a couple > seconds before the cruise disengages. This is > naturally a bit disconcerting! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated :-) > > -Scott Spangenberg > -'95 Avus Blue M3 Coupe
-------------------- 3 --------------------
#3. RE: [E36M3] Throttle "Sticking" - from Martin Bullen
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:24:40 -0500 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Throttle "Sticking" Dave, Have you pulled the codes (Peake code reader or similar) to see what the car thinks is amiss? Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Mar 21, 2005, at 2:40 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:59:03 -0500 > From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Throttle "Sticking" > > That's the problem. I got my Shark job before they had the injector. > I > mailed my DME to them. Don't want to do that again. I guess I need to > invest in an injector. > > > > Dave
-------------------- 4 --------------------
#4. Admin, please remove me from the list - from Chas.liv@verizon.net
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:27:16 -0500 From: Chas.liv@verizon.net Subject: Admin, please remove me from the list On Mar 21, 2005, at 7:20 PM, E36M3 wrote: > ************************************************************** > E36M3 List - Forum for Discussion of E36M3 Series Automobiles > ************************************************************** > BMWMPower on the Web: http://www.bmw-m.net > ************************************************************** > > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. Re: Helmets > by: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > 2. RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > by: Low, Roan <Roan.Low@Kellogg.com> > 3. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > by: Gaudio, Stefano <Stefano.Gaudio@NERA.com> > 4. Re: [E36M3] Re: Helmets > by: Kent L. Shephard <kents@kls-consulting.com> > 5. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > by: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > 6. Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > by: Kent L. Shephard <kents@kls-consulting.com> > 7. Re: [E36M3] Re: Helmets > by: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > 8. RE: E46 or E36 > by: Burgess, Kim L <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > 9. RE: [E36M3] > by: dhogg <dhogg@suscom.net> > 10. RE: [E36M3] > by: Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:31:40 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Helmets > > on 3/21/05 4:00 PM, Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> wrote: > >> Not to kick off a firestorm or anything here but the SCCA has issued a >> bulletin for this season recommending that ONLY open-faced helmets be >> used in airbag cars due to instances of serious injuries to the jaw >> and >> neck. >> >> I own and have always used a closed face helmet based upon exactly the >> opposite advice given years ago. It seems to me that if accurate, its >> the best of both worlds as open faced helmets are lighter and cheaper. >> Anybody got a scientific argument for/against this one (I know you got >> opinions ;)? >> >> http://www.wdcr-scca.org/pdfs/tech_AirbagAdvisory.pdf > > Note the the SCCA advisory is based on a six year old opinion from the > FIA > that says "that the risk of fractures to the jaw [from airbag > deployment] > cannot be ruled out." > > Newsflash: I can't "rule out" that your car may be struck by a > meteorite > while on the track. My challenge to the SCCA would be to show us the > evidence that this poses an actual risk. > > I'd guess that in this six year period quite a few cars have had an > airbag > deployment on track. Matter of fact I've seen a couple myself. The > overwhelming majority of drivers wear full face helmets. So where are > all > those jaw injuries? > > Yep, we got opinions. > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! > > > > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:30:34 -0600 > From: "Low, Roan" <Roan.Low@Kellogg.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > That's nuts. I have 2 different salesmen who are prepared to sell me > one > for substantially less than MSRP. If anyone want there names, please > let me > know. > > Thank you for all the opinions, I loved both my previous E36 M3's, and > although I have spent some seat time in the E46, I haven't 'lived' > with one > to know whether or not I will feel the same about it. > > Given the +- $40K price difference, I just don't think that the E46 is > going > to give me $40K more driving pleasure. > > Plus there is no E46M3 list like this one. > > Roan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:40 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > There's also some vicious markup going on with the Comp package cars. > BMW of SF had a one month ago with a $71K sticker (including $5K dealer > markup). I kid you not. > > - Mark > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 18:03:17 -0500 > From: "Gaudio, Stefano" <Stefano.Gaudio@NERA.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > > Well, asking an E36 list if the E36 M3 is better than a E46 makes me > think you already made a decision and just need reassurance ;-) In any > case I'll still put in my 2 cents since I got 5 mins... > It all depends on what you care for and what you are going to use it > for. I love my E36 M3 coupe but in stock form it is no way as fast as > a > E46 M3, specially on a track where the E46 can stretch it's legs. For > my taste e36 is such a sweet handling car, the e46 has more power but > being heavier and wider it feels way less tossable (SURPRISE > SURPRISE!!!) > Like someone else mentioned the e36 is 6 years old and that means > you'll > potentially have to fix a lot more things than on a e46. But obviously > you'll have probably about $15K laying around if you get the e36 which > means free repairs for a pretty long while :) > > On a different note, you'll be much more safe on the street in a e46 > than a e36 specially in a side crash ( HPS does make a huge difference > when the moronic SUV runs the light right into your driver's door - > hopefully not ) > > My 5 mins are up (I guess I type slowly ;-) > > The subject requires a much lengthier discussion but whatever is your > choice rest assure that neither car is bad so you'll be happy in both, > just in a different way. > > > Stefano > '98 M3 coupe that fits me just fine. > _____________________________________________________________ > > This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential or legally > privileged. If you received this message in error or are not the > intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any > attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, > distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. > Please inform us of the erroneous delivery by return e-mail. > > Thank you for your cooperation. > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:14:32 -0800 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Helmets > > Disable airbag on track? > > Neil Maller wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:31:40 -0500 >> From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >> Subject: Re: Helmets >> >> on 3/21/05 4:00 PM, Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Not to kick off a firestorm or anything here but the SCCA has issued >>> a >>> bulletin for this season recommending that ONLY open-faced helmets be >>> used in airbag cars due to instances of serious injuries to the jaw >>> and >>> neck. >>> >>> I own and have always used a closed face helmet based upon exactly >>> the >>> opposite advice given years ago. It seems to me that if accurate, its >>> the best of both worlds as open faced helmets are lighter and >>> cheaper. >>> Anybody got a scientific argument for/against this one (I know you >>> got >>> opinions ;)? >>> >>> http://www.wdcr-scca.org/pdfs/tech_AirbagAdvisory.pdf >>> >>> > > > -- > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that > we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American > public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:16:50 -0800 > From: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:40:24 -0600, Low, Roan <Roan.Low@kellogg.com> > wrote: >> I haven't 'lived' with one to know whether or not I will feel the >> same about it. > > Well, you won't know until you've tried it, will you? :) > >> Given the +- $40K price difference, I just don't think that the E46 >> is going >> to give me $40K more driving pleasure. > > Is this the difference between a CP E46 compared to the E36 or a > regular E46 M3? How much of a deal are your getting on this E36? And > if you can order a new one, can't you get a CP coupe for little or no > money over MSRP? > > Haven driven both, and lived with 2 E36s, I would prefer the E46. On > track, performance is much greater. With a little strategic weight > reduction, you would be hard pressed to find a properly driven E46 M3 > be "shown" up by any street E36. Plus you get the proper engine and > the option of SMG. > > On a more practical side, I think the E46 is a much better DD. It is > roomier and with NAV and all the other modern goodies like Xenons, I > think it would be a more pleasurable experience. In addition, with > this new car, you wouldn't have to worry about maintence. This would > be a major consideration if I was thinking about a new vs. old car. > > As much as I love my car, and while I don't plan on replacing it > anytime soon, as soon as I am financially able to get into an E46 > (preferably am Interlagos CP Coupe mmmmm drool..) I will. > >> Plus there is no E46M3 list like this one. > > That is true. I pity all my other car friends who have to deal with > often immature Internet forums to get real information. I think we > are spoiled. > > Anyway, that's my opinion. Best of luck on the decision. > > Drive Safely, > Raza > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:16:46 -0800 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > Now, that's a good point. > You probably will not get $40K more driving pleasure. > Besides even with the extra 80 or so horses; when do you get to use > them? > > Kent > > Low, Roan wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:30:34 -0600 >> From: "Low, Roan" <Roan.Low@Kellogg.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 or E36 >> >> That's nuts. I have 2 different salesmen who are prepared to sell me >> one >> for substantially less than MSRP. If anyone want there names, please >> let me >> know. >> >> Thank you for all the opinions, I loved both my previous E36 M3's, and >> although I have spent some seat time in the E46, I haven't 'lived' >> with one >> to know whether or not I will feel the same about it. >> >> Given the +- $40K price difference, I just don't think that the E46 >> is going >> to give me $40K more driving pleasure. >> >> Plus there is no E46M3 list like this one. >> >> Roan. >> >> > > > -- > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that > we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American > public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:00:13 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Helmets > > On Mar 21, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Kent L. Shephard wrote: >> Disable airbag on track? >> > > Easy and cheap. Makes way too much sense for anyone to actually do it. > :) > > - Mark > > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:02:59 -0800 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: E46 or E36 > > Currently, the basic E36 chassis design is around 14 years old and my > 99 > E36M3, the last year of production, was 8 an year old chassis at the > time of production. > > The E46M3 engine problems will scare many people off, including myself, > and the price may reflect that in the near future as less capable > people > begin to pick them up on the used car market and abuse them. > > KLBurgess > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:53:01 -0800 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E46 or E36 > > Hi, > > But, it's still a six year old car. > I like my E36 ('97) and I've had other BMW's. > My favorite was an E30 M3. Felt better than the E36, but when I sold > it, > > it was a 16 year old car. > Everyone has different reasons for wanting a particular car. > > I like the E46 and even considered buying one. But the engine problems > scare me off because I'll be buying used. > Anyway, It's a tough decision. I should have such problems. > > Kent > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:04:59 -0500 > From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] > > Dave, > > > > You're going to learn how much you don't know. Focus, listen and > enjoy it! > > > > One small detail: "Going Faster" is the Skip Barber Racing School > manual, > not the Brand X manual. We Skippy School grads get touchy about that > stuff. > > > > Dave Hogg > > > > (Hey, when you're not that fast you have to take pride in something!) > > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:07:27 -0800 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] > > Sorry, man. I had a 50/50 chance and didn't feel like lookin' for the > book. > I thought > about it for a second and couldn't remember so took a SWAG. Good book > though. > No offense intended! > -----Original Message----- > > One small detail: "Going Faster" is the Skip Barber Racing School > manual, > not the Brand X manual. We Skippy School grads get touchy about that > stuff. > > > > Dave Hogg > > > > (Hey, when you're not that fast you have to take pride in something!) > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* >
-------------------- 5 --------------------
#5. RE: [E36M3] - from Jim Powell
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:31:32 -0800 From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Katerina has no need for a spinner knob as long as I still have no self control over my right foot! Jim -----Original Message----- From: DLS [mailto:dlsspm@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:20 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:15:49 -0800 From: DLS <dlsspm@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JP - You still have that? Did you ever test it on Katarina? Dave - if you stay on the track most of the time, there is no need for a spinner knob. :) PitB On 3/21/05 12:50 PM, "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:42:53 -0800 > From: "Jim Powell" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] > > Screw that. Tell the instructor to buckle up and shut up. I also have a > BMWCCA approved spinner knob I can sell you. I have NO IDEA how I ended up > with it ;) > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: donna seeley [mailto:dlseeley@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:40 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] > > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:37:54 -0800 > From: donna seeley <dlseeley@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] > > LOL!! You'll do fine! > > Donna > > On 3/21/05 12:30 PM, "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:28:29 -0800 >> From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> >> >> Now repeat after me, "Dave, you don't know crap about track driving >> so do what your instructor tells you. Dave, you don't know crap about > track >> driving <etc> >> >> Thanks again folks! >> >> Dave > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1030 (20050319) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* __________ NOD32 1.1031 (20050321) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com
-------------------- 6 --------------------
#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: E46 or E36 - from Kent L. Shephard
Top
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:04:30 -0800 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: E46 or E36 Hi, I agree. You can already see the values of the early examples fairly low. An '03 with SMG for low $40k. With the bottom end issues, I think I'll pass for now. Kent Burgess, Kim L wrote: >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:02:59 -0800 >From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> >Subject: RE: E46 or E36 > >Currently, the basic E36 chassis design is around 14 years old and my 99 >E36M3, the last year of production, was 8 an year old chassis at the >time of production. > >The E46M3 engine problems will scare many people off, including myself, >and the price may reflect that in the near future as less capable people >begin to pick them up on the used car market and abuse them. > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt
-------------------- 7 --------------------
#7. Re: [E36M3] Helmet Stuff - from M J
Top
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:38:08 -0500 From: M J <bmurss@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Helmet Stuff While on the subject on helmets, I'll throw my 2 cents worth into the fray and add that I would highly suggest buying a high quality foam neck collar when purchasing a helmet. For those that haven't used one, you'd be surprised how much less fatigued your neck is after a day at the track with one of these assisting in the support of the helmet. -Maneesh On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:10:27 -0600, twisty M3 <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:01:42 -0800 > From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Helmet Stuff > > Funny that this is the exact reason I prefer my Simpson Super Voyager over > the Bell Helmets I tried. The "same size" helmet with Bell is so tight that > I can't even think. > > Moral of the story, besides me having a giant head and Jim having a pinhead > (haha!!!), is to try them on before purchasing. > > Jonathan L. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > > Agreed. That's another reason why I like the Bell helmets - they seem to > come in smaller sizes that some other manufacturers. They were the about > the only one that was able to fit my pinhead :-) > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
-------------------- 8 --------------------
#8. Phantom cooling issue at the last minute (long) - from Walter J
Top
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:41:44 -0500 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Phantom cooling issue at the last minute (long) Help me out with a sanity check here folks: Last night I took the maiden voyage in the M3 for this season as a final step in "De-winterize and tech for the track" process. It has been up on stands since DEC having all manner of stuff poked at. All did not go well. The temp gauge heading toward the sun and their was no heat at the vents... two issues that indicate a well known problem or two. Well... I did just drain and flush the system... maybe I forgot to open the heater valve? Sure enough... she was low and had air... Good, easy. Added distilled water and bled. Drive two... seems fine, comes up and holds temp. Heat is blowing hot. I'm happy because now I can park it on the trailer and go to bed. During my premature back-patting ceremony I note that while the engine is at operating temp and has been for a full 10 minutes... the top hose is hot (as it should be) but the bottom hose is ice cold as are the contents of the overflow tank. Sheet... things have turned... I immediately assume that the water pump is bad due to previous experience and remove same. It is like new... no play, shiny metal impeller firmly attached and intact. I take out the t-stat and boil it on the stove and it opens right at 88 deg C as god intended (I remind the wife that meat thermometers are useful for something after all). I stick a hose in the radiator top neck and water comes out the bottom as fast as it went in... no blockage there. So there are no issues here at all, right? I just disassembled a perfectly operating car. So... why and how is it possible that the bottom hose is cold if there is water circulating properly? It was 40F outside and the car was running at temp for over 10 minutes. What else is there that could impede the flow? If I need a part, I gotta get on the stick or I'm going to miss track time - gotta leave for Summit Point on THU night. Testing will commence at lunch... I'm going to redline it down the turnpike until it overheats or not. In the meantime... any theories? Am I just nuts and it is possible that radiator is good enough to make it that cold? Is 10 min not long enough... a combination of the two? -- Walter
-------------------- 9 --------------------
#9. Re: [E36M3] Phantom cooling issue at the last minute (long) - from Jamie Howton
Top
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:56:46 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Phantom cooling issue at the last minute (long) It's entirely possible that you didn't run the engine long enough for the thermostat to open. Put it back together, bleed the cooling system again and drive it around the block for 20 minutes. 10 minutes of idling really doesn't get it up to temp, either let it idle for longer or drive it, although you don't need to run it on the Interstate driving around the block will do. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
-------------------- 10 --------------------
#10. Will E36 wheels work on E46? - from Scott Spangenberg
Top
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 06:38:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Will E36 wheels work on E46? I have some people with E46 cars that are interested in my Blizzak/Borbet wheels and tires for sale. Is it likely that those wheels will fit an E46 325 properly? -Scott Spangenberg __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/