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#1. RE: bleeding brakes - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:36:17 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: bleeding brakes Paul asked: >Okay, I have a DE next weekend. I need to change the brake fluid. I have the >pressure bleeder. >Did a search and saw some info, but need to ask. > >So I will >Slowly fill the pressure tank with new fluid >Attach cap (w/15 lbs or so) >Start at rear pass caliper until new fluid comes through bubblle free >Move to others. > >IS there no pumping of the brake pedal? >Any worries about a 98 M3 with traction control? > >Thanks >Paul smith >98M3/4/5speed >Putnam bound!!! I would add one more item BEFORE you connect up.. that is to put some tie-wraps around the reservoir and the master cylinder. I have seen them pop off, spraying brake fluid around as they whirl in the air. The result is not a pleasant sight. The reservoir is only held on with the seals on the top of the master cylinder. The tie wraps will assure that it doesn't part company with the cylinder. They just have to be snug, not tight.. and when done - snip and they're off. Also - I've never needed 15PSI.. more like 8-10PSI has worked just fine for me. You just need to get a decent flow out of each bleeder. I've never had an issue with the traction control or ABS.. Best, _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#2. Leftover suspension? - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:41:53 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: Leftover suspension? Anyone have a good factory rear shock laying around? One too good to throw out? I have one leaking (drivers side) - and would like to put a stock one in until I get around to replacing all the shocks/struts.. A fair price would be? TIA _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#3. RE: 3.0 v. 3.2 oil capacities??? - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:39:13 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: 3.0 v. 3.2 oil capacities??? Lee puzzled over: >Gruppe, > >Anyone know the logic/reason why the 3.0 has 7 qts of >oil versus the 6 qts in the 3.2? > >Thanks, >Lee >'95 M3 Violet (removing 3.0 for 3.2) Because the 3.2 is one quart low? Kidding aside - I just dump all 7 quarts in any of that series engine (like in my 525i-Touring) and it seems quite happy with it. 7 brings it just a tiny fraction above the full mark.. Where did you see 6 quarts? _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#4. Are the PS hoses difficult to disconnect from the resvoir? - from Hans Batra
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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:52:28 -0400 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Are the PS hoses difficult to disconnect from the resvoir? Gruppe, Just wondering how much time I should estimate to flush/fill the PS fluid. Thanks. Hans
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Are the PS hoses difficult to disconnect from the - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:13:54 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Are the PS hoses difficult to disconnect from the resvoir? At 10:56 AM 4/8/2005, Hans Batra wrote: >Just wondering how much time I should estimate to flush/fill the PS fluid. >Thanks. It'll take a little longer if the factory crimp-type clamps are still there (hate those things), but a couple of minutes I would guess. It'll take you longer to jack & support the front of the car, I think :-) Jim Bassett - leaving for Willow Springs right......now :-)
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#6. Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:16:58 -0700 From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes Hi, I've heard it was bad to pressure bleed if the car has traction control. Kent Scott M wrote: >Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:01:18 -0700 >From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > >While I don't use a pressure bleeder, what I normally do first is drain >*most* of the old fluid from the master first using a turkey baster. Then >refill the master reservoir with fresh fluid before starting the bleeding. >I also like to use the ATE Blue because it is really obvious when you get to >the fresh fluid. You should be able to do 1 bleed from 1 can of that stuff, >but good to have 2 on hand just in case. > >Tip - don't use the baster for Thanksgiving dinner next year, get one for >shop use only. Then every time you lose the shop one again you can steal >your wife's from the kitchen and then get a replacement later. Not that >I've ever done that ;-) More than once or twice :-/ > >Scott > >on 4/7/05 6:59 PM, Mel Silva at melsilva@mindspring.com wrote: > > > >>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:51:13 -0500 >>From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> >>Subject: RE: [E36M3] bleeding brakes >> >>Paul, >>I would start at the left front to get all the old fluid out of the >>reservoir. Once you see new fluid, go to rear pass as you suggest and move >>wheel to wheel toward the master cylinder. Don't forget the clutch slave! >>With the pressure bleeder there is no pumping of the brakes, but make sure >>you a) don't run out of fluid in the pressure tanks and b) have something >>to collect the spent fluid in. I use a two liter bottle with a length of >>vinyl tubing running between it and the caliper. With the pressure bleeder >>you don't have to submerge the collection line in the fluid since you're not >>pumping the pedal and you won't get any 'backwash' from the collection >>bottle. >> >>Mel >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Paul Smith [mailto:Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com] >>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:40 PM >>To: E36M3 >>Subject: [E36M3] bleeding brakes >> >> >>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:37:03 -0500 >>From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com> >>Subject: bleeding brakes >> >>Okay, I have a DE next weekend. I need to change the brake fluid. I have the >>pressure bleeder. >>Did a search and saw some info, but need to ask. >> >>So I will >>Slowly fill the pressure tank with new fluid >>Attach cap (w/15 lbs or so) >>Start at rear pass caliper until new fluid comes through bubblle free >>Move to others. >> >>IS there no pumping of the brake pedal? >>Any worries about a 98 M3 with traction control? >> >>Thanks >>Paul smith >>98M3/4/5speed >>Putnam bound!!! >> >> >> >>************************************************* >>Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >>Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >>Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >>Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> >>DIGEST INFORMATION: >>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> >> >>************************************************* >>Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >>Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >>Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >>Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> >>DIGEST INFORMATION: >>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>************************************************* >> >> >> >> > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > > -- "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt
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#7. Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes - from Hans Batra
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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:29:34 -0400 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes Kent, The Bentley manual says don't do it...the dealer uses a setup called "Modic"...but 100s of folks do it routinely ...without any problems. Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:16:58 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > > Hi, > > I've heard it was bad to pressure bleed if the car has traction control. > > Kent > > Scott M wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:01:18 -0700 > >From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > > > >While I don't use a pressure bleeder, what I normally do first is drain > >*most* of the old fluid from the master first using a turkey baster. Then > >refill the master reservoir with fresh fluid before starting the bleeding. > >I also like to use the ATE Blue because it is really obvious when you get to > >the fresh fluid. You should be able to do 1 bleed from 1 can of that stuff, > >but good to have 2 on hand just in case. > > > >Tip - don't use the baster for Thanksgiving dinner next year, get one for > >shop use only. Then every time you lose the shop one again you can steal > >your wife's from the kitchen and then get a replacement later. Not that > >I've ever done that ;-) More than once or twice :-/ > > > >Scott > > > >on 4/7/05 6:59 PM, Mel Silva at melsilva@mindspring.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:51:13 -0500 > >>From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> > >>Subject: RE: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > >> > >>Paul, > >>I would start at the left front to get all the old fluid out of the > >>reservoir. Once you see new fluid, go to rear pass as you suggest and move > >>wheel to wheel toward the master cylinder. Don't forget the clutch slave! > >>With the pressure bleeder there is no pumping of the brakes, but make sure > >>you a) don't run out of fluid in the pressure tanks and b) have something > >>to collect the spent fluid in. I use a two liter bottle with a length of > >>vinyl tubing running between it and the caliper. With the pressure bleeder > >>you don't have to submerge the collection line in the fluid since you're not > >>pumping the pedal and you won't get any 'backwash' from the collection > >>bottle. > >> > >>Mel > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Paul Smith [mailto:Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:40 PM > >>To: E36M3 > >>Subject: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > >> > >> > >>Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:37:03 -0500 > >>From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com> > >>Subject: bleeding brakes > >> > >>Okay, I have a DE next weekend. I need to change the brake fluid. I have the > >>pressure bleeder. > >>Did a search and saw some info, but need to ask. > >> > >>So I will > >>Slowly fill the pressure tank with new fluid > >>Attach cap (w/15 lbs or so) > >>Start at rear pass caliper until new fluid comes through bubblle free > >>Move to others. > >> > >>IS there no pumping of the brake pedal? > >>Any worries about a 98 M3 with traction control? > >> > >>Thanks > >>Paul smith > >>98M3/4/5speed > >>Putnam bound!!! > >> > >> > >> > >>************************************************* > >>Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >> > >>Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >>Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >>Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >>Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >>Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >> > >>DIGEST INFORMATION: > >>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >>************************************************* > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>************************************************* > >>Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >> > >>Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >>Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >>Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >>Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >>Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >> > >>DIGEST INFORMATION: > >>http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >>************************************************* > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >************************************************* > >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > > >DIGEST INFORMATION: > >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that > we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only > unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American > public." 1918, Theodore Roosevelt > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#8. Primary Timing Chain on S50 - from Steve Klein
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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:38:11 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Primary Timing Chain on S50 Hey, Gang- It seems the front timing cover that runs from the VANOS unit to the oil pan must come off to replace the primary timing chain, which means the primary crank/harmonic balancer must also come off. Any info or suggestions on how this is best accomplished? thanks, Steve
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#9. RE: [E36M3] bleeding brakes - from Gerry Low
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Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 14:40:22 -0400 From: "Gerry Low" <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] bleeding brakes Carey, Why don't you put in a 600 spec brake fluid like Motul 600 or AP Racing 600 and change your fluid only once a year? Gerry Carey wrote: I agree but switch between ATE Blue and Gold each time becuase it is much easier to see the change in color. If you do this frequently, in my case 2-3 times a year, the brake fluid doesn't get dirty enough to see the change using the same color. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005
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#10. Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:45:42 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes Only negative I know of it the pressure bleed will not totally purge the ABS unit but nothing about the traction control. There is a special tool for bleeding the ATS but most ignore as the amount of fluid in the abs is small. If you bleed the brakes 2-3 times a year for DEs, that should clear the abs unit. Another recommendion I've seen is to bleed, drive around and make sure to cycle the abs, then bleed again. I just change fluid frequently. Carey Kent L. Shephard wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 11:16:58 -0700 > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes > > Hi, > > I've heard it was bad to pressure bleed if the car has traction control. > > Kent > > Scott M wrote: > >> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 23:01:18 -0700 >> From: Scott M <smlists@pacbell.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] bleeding brakes >> >> While I don't use a pressure bleeder, what I normally do first is drain >> *most* of the old fluid from the master first using a turkey baster. >> Then >> refill the master reservoir with fresh fluid before starting the >> bleeding. >> I also like to use the ATE Blue because it is really obvious when you >> get to >> the fresh fluid. You should be able to do 1 bleed from 1 can of that >> stuff, >> but good to have 2 on hand just in case. >> >> Tip - don't use the baster for Thanksgiving dinner next year, get one >> for >> shop use only. Then every time you lose the shop one again you can >> steal >> your wife's from the kitchen and then get a replacement later. Not that >> I've ever done that ;-) More than once or twice :-/ >> >> Scott >> >> on 4/7/05 6:59 PM, Mel Silva at melsilva@mindspring.com wrote: >> >> >> >>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:51:13 -0500 >>> From: "Mel Silva" <melsilva@mindspring.com> >>> Subject: RE: [E36M3] bleeding brakes >>> >>> Paul, >>> I would start at the left front to get all the old fluid out of the >>> reservoir. Once you see new fluid, go to rear pass as you suggest >>> and move >>> wheel to wheel toward the master cylinder. Don't forget the clutch >>> slave! >>> With the pressure bleeder there is no pumping of the brakes, but >>> make sure >>> you a) don't run out of fluid in the pressure tanks and b) have >>> something >>> to collect the spent fluid in. I use a two liter bottle with a >>> length of >>> vinyl tubing running between it and the caliper. With the pressure >>> bleeder >>> you don't have to submerge the collection line in the fluid since >>> you're not >>> pumping the pedal and you won't get any 'backwash' from the collection >>> bottle. >>> >>> Mel >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Smith [mailto:Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 8:40 PM >>> To: E36M3 >>> Subject: [E36M3] bleeding brakes >>> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:37:03 -0500 >>> From: Paul Smith <Paul.Smith@ontariosystems.com> >>> Subject: bleeding brakes >>> >>> Okay, I have a DE next weekend. I need to change the brake fluid. I >>> have the >>> pressure bleeder. >>> Did a search and saw some info, but need to ask. >>> >>> So I will >>> Slowly fill the pressure tank with new fluid >>> Attach cap (w/15 lbs or so) >>> Start at rear pass caliper until new fluid comes through bubblle free >>> Move to others. >>> >>> IS there no pumping of the brake pedal? >>> Any worries about a 98 M3 with traction control? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Paul smith >>> 98M3/4/5speed >>> Putnam bound!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************************* >>> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >>> >>> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >>> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >>> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >>> >>> DIGEST INFORMATION: >>> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>> ************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************************* >>> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >>> >>> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >>> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >>> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >>> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >>> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >>> >>> DIGEST INFORMATION: >>> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >>> ************************************************* >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> >> >> > >