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#1. Clutch Delay Valve - from eevans@planetc.com
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 05:45:36 -0400 From: eevans@planetc.com Subject: Clutch Delay Valve Do the E36 M3s use the same CDV that the E39 540i uses? I can't feel it on my M3, but was told that it has one. I can feel the one on the 540i. BTW, anyone interested in a new CDV replacement valve I have one for sale that I never installed on the 540i. Evan
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:21:53 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve All you need to know about CDVs: http://www.zeckhausen.com/CDV.htm -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 06:31:56 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave Any chance you have a clutch stop that needs adjusting? Jay > Ok, it's a beautiful day out and I've been driving the M3 around. Been > noticing a "hot brake" smell but nothing seems to be dragging. Just pulling > back into the drive way and when pulling into the drive way slow while in > 1st gear, the car clutch seems very choppy and the car is shaking a bit. > Then the clutch pedal feel goes very easy and while sitting in the drive, > car in 1st gear, clutch "in", the car shudders to a stop. Start the car up > again, drive around the block. In first gear, accelerate hard and no clutch > slippage so I don't think it's the clutch. Pull up to a stop sign with the > car in neutral, try to put into first gear and it's very hard to get into > gear. Shove it in gear and it goes, but as I'm coasting down the hill and > into the garage, I'm thinking that "hot brake" smell is more - that's my > clutch smell. My first thought is a bad/failing clutch slave cylinder as I > experienced this with my 88 e30 M3. The car I'm having a problem with is a > 95 e36 M3 with 121,000 miles. > > I checked the brake fluid level, and the fluid level is above the full mark > and almost ready to over flow. My thought is that one of the seal in the > clutch slave has allowed the fluid to pass by it, giving me the "easy" pedal > feel, not completely allowing the clutch to disengage and slipping the > clutch while the car is in gear and at a stop. But how do I go about > actually nailing down what part it is that has gone bad? Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks, > > Dave A > 95 ///M3 "with a burning clutch smell" > > > > >
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave - from Dave Arnold
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:09:12 -0400 From: "Dave Arnold" <air2daa@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave Wouldn't think it's the clutch stop needing adjustment since the clutch pedal feel all of a sudden became different, but I'll check. -----Original Message----- From: Jay W. Hudson [mailto:jwhud@budget.net] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:32 AM To: Dave Arnold; E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave Any chance you have a clutch stop that needs adjusting? Jay > Ok, it's a beautiful day out and I've been driving the M3 around. Been > noticing a "hot brake" smell but nothing seems to be dragging. Just pulling > back into the drive way and when pulling into the drive way slow while in > 1st gear, the car clutch seems very choppy and the car is shaking a bit. > Then the clutch pedal feel goes very easy and while sitting in the drive, > car in 1st gear, clutch "in", the car shudders to a stop. Start the car up > again, drive around the block. In first gear, accelerate hard and no clutch > slippage so I don't think it's the clutch. Pull up to a stop sign with the > car in neutral, try to put into first gear and it's very hard to get into > gear. Shove it in gear and it goes, but as I'm coasting down the hill and > into the garage, I'm thinking that "hot brake" smell is more - that's my > clutch smell. My first thought is a bad/failing clutch slave cylinder as I > experienced this with my 88 e30 M3. The car I'm having a problem with is a > 95 e36 M3 with 121,000 miles. > > I checked the brake fluid level, and the fluid level is above the full mark > and almost ready to over flow. My thought is that one of the seal in the > clutch slave has allowed the fluid to pass by it, giving me the "easy" pedal > feel, not completely allowing the clutch to disengage and slipping the > clutch while the car is in gear and at a stop. But how do I go about > actually nailing down what part it is that has gone bad? Thoughts anyone? > > Thanks, > > Dave A > 95 ///M3 "with a burning clutch smell" > > > > >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave - from Dave Arnold
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:14:43 -0400 From: "Dave Arnold" <air2daa@insightbb.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave I wasn't aware that you should bleed the clutch except after such maintenance as a clutch replacement, etc. I didn't add fluid to the reservoir; it "grew" in volume. Meaning that it normally sits at the full mark, and now it is almost overflowing - all without me adding fluid. This leads me to believe that its passing fluid that normally resides in the hose between the clutch master cylinder and the clutch slave cylinder. My question is how do I know witch, or should I just replace both? I know that it's not an easy job replacing the clutch master cylinder because of the location (inside passenger compartment and attached to the pedals) but how difficult is it to replace the clutch slave cylinder attached to the transmission? Is this something that can be changed without pulling the transmission? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Howton [mailto:jhowton@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 7:23 PM To: Dave Arnold Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave When's the last time you bled the clutch? I would start by doing that; just filling the reservoir isn't enough. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 16:12:57 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve _jhowton@gmail.com_ (mailto:jhowton@gmail.com) writes: All you need to know about CDVs: http://www.zeckhausen.com/CDV.htm I don't know how accurate that web site is. At the top it implies that all E36 3 Series from 1994-1999 including 323i, 328i and M3 have the Clutch Delay Valve (CDV). First off, there was no 328i E36 model until 1996 and the 323i didn't arrive until 1998. The M3 could be considered a 1994 model but it is listed as 1995 model year even though it first came out in March or April of 1994. But since this is an M3 forum and I own a 1995 M3 - 9/95 production date - I can tell you for sure and for certain my M3 does NOT have a CDV. Evan - By the way, haven't you been trying to sell your red 1995 M3 for 4 years now? And your 540i? And your E46 M3? And a black 1999 E36 M3? And a blue 1995 E36 M3? And a 1998 automatic White 4dr M3? And a 1988 M5? And if it is that black 1995 automatic transmission M3 w/65,000 miles you posted for sale 2 weeks ago, I can tell you for sure and for certain it does not have a CDV. It doesn't even have a clutch. Lowell Seaton 1995 Alpine White M3 w/manual transmission - purchased February 1996
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:28:34 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diagnosing Bad Clutch Slave On Apr 10, 2005 10:14 AM, Dave Arnold <air2daa@insightbb.com> wrote: > I wasn't aware that you should bleed the clutch except after such > maintenance as a clutch replacement, etc. <SNIP> You should bleed the clutch every time you bleed the brakes (for most people). People who bleed frequently because of track driving usually don't bleed the clutch every time, but some people bleed 3 times per year or more. If you are on a one or two year cycle for bleeding, do both. <SNIP> > pedals) but how difficult is it to replace the clutch slave cylinder > attached to the transmission? Is this something that can be changed without > pulling the transmission? It is not that difficult to change the slave, it is bolted to the side of the transmission and it is acessible from below for purposes of bleeding. I suggest you buy a Bentley manual and/or obtain a copy of TIS/ETK, all the information you might need is included in those documents. I have no explanation for why the volume of brake fuid is increasing. In my experience the failure mode for a clutch fluid leak is that the level drops and when you press the clutch pedal down it stays on the floor. Maybe someone else here can be of more help. I certainly think it's worth trying to bleed the clutch before you start throwing parts at the problem. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL
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#8. OEM Color Support - from Ricardo A. Mayer
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 21:47:56 -0300 From: "Ricardo A. Mayer" <ramayer@terra.com.br> Subject: OEM Color Support Hi guys: I am sorry for asking this type of help for my "other" M car, however, I am not finding the correct specification on the local dealers that I have visited in Brazil. Can someone help me regarding the second color used on the lower trims of a 93' E34 M5 Sterling Silver color. Thanks for your help. Regards, Ricardo Mayer
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:35:40 -0500 From: "Christopher Bauer" <c.bauer10@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve I have no clue if my car has one. (9-96 prod. date) The ETK shows the clutch delay valve on the graphical views, but says the part is not installed on my car. I'll have to look at the slave the next time I am under the car, attacking my annoying exhaust shield rattle. And I'll report back Chris 97m3 -----Original Message----- From: LoweSeaton@aol.com [mailto:LoweSeaton@aol.com] _jhowton@gmail.com_ (mailto:jhowton@gmail.com) writes: All you need to know about CDVs: http://www.zeckhausen.com/CDV.htm I don't know how accurate that web site is. But since this is an M3 forum and I own a 1995 M3 - 9/95 production date - I can tell you for sure and for certain my M3 does NOT have a CDV. Lowell Seaton
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve - from LoweSeaton@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 01:16:31 EDT From: LoweSeaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve Have you ever dropped the clutch at 2 Grand? Have you ever shifted into 2nd gear at 80% throttle? Did your rear tires immediately leave black marks on the pavement? If yes, then I think you have a clue you don't have a clutch delay valve. I am assuming this clutch delay valve does just what its name implies - it delays engagement of the clutch under moderate to high throttle shifts. I have done enough moderate to maximum throttle shifts on a variety of cars to know my 9/95 production M3 hooks up immediately when the clutch is released. Lowell Seaton '95 M3 ----------------------------------------- In a message dated 4/10/05 11:37:06 PM Central Daylight Time, c.bauer10@verizon.net writes: Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:35:40 -0500 From: "Christopher Bauer" <c.bauer10@verizon.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Clutch Delay Valve I have no clue if my car has one. (9-96 prod. date) The ETK shows the clutch delay valve on the graphical views, but says the part is not installed on my car. I'll have to look at the slave the next time I am under the car, attacking my annoying exhaust shield rattle. And I'll report back Chris 97m3