E36M3 #4249

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 20:46:47

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#1. Re: Front Control Arms - from Nancy and Bob Fluharty
#2. RE: [E36M3] New Data System - from James Clay
#3. RE: [E36M3] New Data System - from Jim Bassett
#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: Front Control Arms - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
#5. Re: [E36M3] New Data System - from Bob Moore
#6. Drive for the Cure - from Ron & Brenya B.
#7. E36 oxygen sensor installation - from Reed Nicholson
#8. Fwd: FS: s52 3.2L M3 engine - from Mark Dadgar
#9. Q: e-36 with a charcoal grey color? - from Kin Fong
#10. Speedline Track Wheels For Sale - from Chuck Hanson

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#1. Re: Front Control Arms - from Nancy and Bob Fluharty
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:51:21 -0000 From: "Nancy and Bob Fluharty" <FLUHAR@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Front Control Arms Kurt Resener said: "I've recently been witness to two front control arm failures, one on an e36; and yesterday at Putnam, an e30." Kurt- Exactly how did they fail? Bob

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#2. RE: [E36M3] New Data System - from James Clay
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:34:38 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] New Data System Interesting point. Most of the customers that ask about data are racers. Honestly, I never dealt with the school restriction - forgot about that. James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 -----Original Message----- From: Carey Probst [mailto:hcprobst@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:02 PM To: James Clay Cc: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Data System Interesting idea but wouldn't that violate the non-competitive part of the driving schools? If a G-tech isn't allowed I can't see how a chapter would allow this in a DE. For a racing school it would be great. Carey James Clay wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:57:56 -0400 From: "James Clay" <mailto:james@bimmerworld.com> <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] New Data System $1000 is super cheap for a data system, and extra nice for one using GPS. I have seen GPS options alone go for $500 to 5,000+. Stack starting price is $2300 for recording, downloadable data, Motec starts at $4500. This is not at all like a Gtech. It offers wheel speed traces - the most valuable tool for learning. Also will show track position which is a relatively new thing - but imagine being able to overlay your instructors data in the paddock and actually visually seeing that they turn in earlier, get on the gas earlier, and don't overslow the car so they enter a turn 10 MPH faster. That is a lot of good info. The standard response for my customers is how much do you spend on tires for a year and if you went with a cheaper tire (or insert other modification here) and applied to money toward data - think how much faster you would end up 2 years down the road - then blow the extra money on more or more expensive tires at that point. So much speed is left in the driver.... James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com http://www.bimmerworldracing.com Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:kjtar@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:22 PM To: James Clay; E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Data System James, I thought all was going to be well until I read the price. $1000? Does it take video you can transfer to a dvd or video tape? Yikes! Back to my cave, I guess. :( Best, Tom Reynolds Sand Springs, OK P.S. Just out of curiosity, what does the G-Tech Pro go for now, and what are the main differences? At 02:26 PM 04/19/2005 -0500, James Clay wrote: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:36:04 -0400 From: "James Clay" <mailto:james@bimmerworld.com> <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: New Data System I just picked up a new data product that will be amazing for driver training and improvement. It installs in minutes, is easy to use, has lots of good data, including GPS and the ability to compare lines around the track. And then you can pull it from your car, put it in a friends, and do a back to back comparison. Price will be super reasonable, around the $1,000 range. More info later but I was super excited to find it and thought I would share now. I preach it all the time - there is nothing like data to really make you a better driver - spend the money on it now instead of the next go-fast goody and you will be way better off in the long run. James James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 03/07/2005

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#3. RE: [E36M3] New Data System - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:30:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] New Data System On Tue, April 19, 2005 3:26 pm, James Clay said: > Interesting point. Most of the customers that ask about data are > racers. Exactly, who said anything about driver's schools? <BFG> Jim Bassett - smart-a$$ instructor and racer (FWIW, James also posted this to the Club Racing email list; first worth-while post there in weeks, but that's another story :-))

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Re: Front Control Arms - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:33:26 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Front Control Arms Bob, On the E30 M3 at Putnam the ball joint shaft sheared off right at the necked area at the base of the threads. Stress concentration area of course but I think this is the common area for this failure. It was an aluminum control arm that was roughly 2 years old...not sure of the number of track days, etc on it. It was not my car. I replace mine every 2 years assuming approx 4 events/year. But I would likely replace them every 2 years or 8 events, depending on circumstances. If I had an off where there was some reasonable suspension input then I'd opt to change earlier. For track cars it makes sense and the potential cost of an on track failure far out weighs the cost of replacing semi-expensive parts every 2 years! I also run these same arms on my CM car, just replaced both of them last year before the Grand AM support race in August. Jack Money '91 M3...alive again '95 M3 #86 CM Elephant Motorsports Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy and Bob Fluharty [mailto:FLUHAR@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:16 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Front Control Arms Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:51:21 -0000 From: "Nancy and Bob Fluharty" <FLUHAR@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Front Control Arms Kurt Resener said: "I've recently been witness to two front control arm failures, one on an e36; and yesterday at Putnam, an e30." Kurt- Exactly how did they fail? Bob ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. Re: [E36M3] New Data System - from Bob Moore
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:42:18 -0500 From: Bob Moore <moorer1@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Data System It sounds like an aftermarket "navigation" system to me! ;-) Of course, not all track events are BMWCCA DEs... James Clay wrote: >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:34:38 -0400 >From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] New Data System > >Interesting point. Most of the customers that ask about data are >racers. Honestly, I never dealt with the school restriction - forgot >about that. > > > > >James Clay >http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> >http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> >Engineered BMW Performance >540.639.9648 > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Carey Probst [mailto:hcprobst@alum.mit.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:02 PM >To: James Clay >Cc: E36M3 >Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Data System > > >Interesting idea but wouldn't that violate the non-competitive part of >the driving schools? If a G-tech isn't allowed I can't see how a >chapter would allow this in a DE. > >For a racing school it would be great. > >Carey > >James Clay wrote: > >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:57:56 -0400 > >From: "James Clay" <mailto:james@bimmerworld.com> ><james@bimmerworld.com> > >Subject: RE: [E36M3] New Data System > > > >$1000 is super cheap for a data system, and extra nice for one using > >GPS. I have seen GPS options alone go for $500 to 5,000+. Stack > >starting price is $2300 for recording, downloadable data, Motec starts > >at $4500. > > > >This is not at all like a Gtech. It offers wheel speed traces - the > >most valuable tool for learning. Also will show track position which is > >a relatively new thing - but imagine being able to overlay your > >instructors data in the paddock and actually visually seeing that they > >turn in earlier, get on the gas earlier, and don't overslow the car so > >they enter a turn 10 MPH faster. That is a lot of good info. > > > >The standard response for my customers is how much do you spend on tires > >for a year and if you went with a cheaper tire (or insert other > >modification here) and applied to money toward data - think how much > >faster you would end up 2 years down the road - then blow the extra > >money on more or more expensive tires at that point. So much speed is > >left in the driver.... > > > > > >James Clay > >http://www.bimmerworld.com > >http://www.bimmerworldracing.com > >Engineered BMW Performance > >540.639.9648 > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Tom Reynolds [mailto:kjtar@earthlink.net] > >Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:22 PM > >To: James Clay; E36M3 > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] New Data System > > > > > >James, > > I thought all was going to be well until I read the price. > >$1000? Does it take video you can transfer to a dvd or video tape? > > > >Yikes! Back to my cave, I guess. > >:( > >Best, > >Tom Reynolds > >Sand Springs, OK > >P.S. Just out of curiosity, what does the G-Tech Pro go for now, and > >what are the main differences? > > > >At 02:26 PM 04/19/2005 -0500, James Clay wrote: > > > >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:36:04 -0400 > >From: "James Clay" <mailto:james@bimmerworld.com> ><james@bimmerworld.com> > >Subject: New Data System > > > >I just picked up a new data product that will be amazing for driver > >training and improvement. It installs in minutes, is easy to use, has > >lots of good data, including GPS and the ability to compare lines > >around the track. And then you can pull it from your car, put it in a > >friends, and do a back to back comparison. Price will be super > >reasonable, around the $1,000 range. More info later but I was super > >excited to find it and thought I would share now. > > > >I preach it all the time - there is nothing like data to really make > >you a better driver - spend the money on it now instead of the next > >go-fast goody and you will be way better off in the long run. > > > >James > > > > > > > >James Clay > >http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> ><http://www.bimmerworld.com/> > >http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> ><http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> > >Engineered BMW Performance > >540.639.9648 > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************* > >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > > > >DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > >************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.6.3 - Release Date: 03/07/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > >

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#6. Drive for the Cure - from Ron & Brenya B.
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:38:28 -0500 From: "Ron & Brenya B." <rbuchals@hotmail.com> Subject: Drive for the Cure I attended the Drive for the Cure (DFTC) yesterday in San Antonio, and drove four cars: - 330Ci with PP and "boosted" (10hp) engine - 745Li - 545i - X3 3.0i I wanted to drive the 645Ci convertible, but didn't have the time. This year, all DFTC cars have steptronic transmissions....no manual transmissions at all. One of the "helpers" said that BMW decided against manual transmissions after having to replace 20 clutches last year. The 330Ci was billed as "as close as you can get to an M3 without buying one". Well, after driving it, and using max power when possible, all I can say is that my '95 E36 M3 (Eurosport intake with Euro HFM, stock suspension, Eibach sways, x-brace and Motorsport strut bar), is much more powerful and satisfying to drive. The X3....ho hum. I was being tailed by another enthusiast driving an X5 4.4i, and he said that he was flooring it to catch me pulling onto the highway. I was doing the same. However, the X3 felt very underwhelming and underpowered. B O R I N G. The 745Li? Nice, but playing with iDrive was not much fun, and took too much effort. The crown jewel of the day? The 545i. This car is awesome! Even with Steptronic (6-speed), it is a beast! Turn off driver aids, and it easily breaks the rear tires loose. The handling of the 545i is very good, and the car was much more satisfying to drive than the 330ci. When DFTC comes to your town, be sure to check out the 545i. -rb

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#7. E36 oxygen sensor installation - from Reed Nicholson
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:05:25 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <reedthis@comcast.net> Subject: E36 oxygen sensor installation Has anyone installed the precat oxygen sensors in an E36 M3, 3.2? Any tips on where to access them from, or any other tricks? Or if you could point me toward the info, that would be great. Thanks, Reed/Seattle

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#8. Fwd: FS: s52 3.2L M3 engine - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:21:39 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Fwd: FS: s52 3.2L M3 engine FYI. - Mark Begin forwarded message: From: "tony colicchio" <tony@tcdesignfab.com> Date: April 18, 2005 2:25:33 PM PDT To: XXXX Subject: [PDC] FS: s52 3.2L M3 engine Taken out of wrecked street car with 80K miles.  Complete engine, minus ecu.  Comes with OBDI intake manifold as well as ODBII.  Oil pan looks clean as well as inside head (oil changed frequently).  Need to sell ASAP - $3k, obo.   -tony tony@tcdesignfab.com

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#9. Q: e-36 with a charcoal grey color? - from Kin Fong
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:33:52 -0700 From: Kin Fong <kfong@optonline.net> Subject: Q: e-36 with a charcoal grey color? Did BMW ever make an e-36 325/328 2 or 4 dr. with a charcoal grey color? TIA, Kin NJ chapter

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#10. Speedline Track Wheels For Sale - from Chuck Hanson
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:44:46 -0600 From: "Chuck Hanson" <chanson60@comcast.net> Subject: Speedline Track Wheels For Sale I have a set of 17", Speedline wheels for sale. They will fit all E36's and are staggered widths (7.5"/8.5"); offset to fit a set of 245's without spacers. Fronts are 36mm offset and rears are 40mm, optimized for SCCA stock class rules. Straight and strong. These are ex-Bob Tunnell, G.H. Sharp and Chris Teague wheels so they have a fabulous and very successful autocrossing pedigree. I've used them maybe 5 times in the three years I've owned them. Please email me for photos. $400 OBO and you pay for shipping from New Mexico. Make an offer! Chuck Hanson

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