E36M3 #4256

Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:07:04

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. RE: [E36M3] Lifts? - from Thomas E. Tice
#2. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Rich Dorffer
#3. Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - Chester's POV. - from Mo Karamat
#4. RE: [E36M3] Lifts? - from Don Eilenberger
#5. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Robert Manger
#6. Looking for Lollypops - from Eric Fesler
#7. Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Burgess, Kim L
#8. Re: Front control arms - from Neil Maller
#9. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Neil Maller
#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from K.C. Boyce

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Lifts? - from Thomas E. Tice
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 22:51:35 -0400 From: "Thomas E. Tice" <tetice@triad.rr.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Lifts? Hi Don, I too had to clean out the garage when I installed my lift but I only had about 10 years worth of stuff. In hindsight I wished I had installed the lift long ago - it's the best tool in my garage. I use it both for working on the car as well as to fit an additional car in the garage. Attached is a picture of the final result. I know the list will strip out the picture so if anyone else cares to see this, send me a separate e-mail. I bought mine from American Automotive Equipment http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/pages/896434/index.htm They are not the actual manufacturers but are pretty resonable to deal with. It appears that most all of the reasonably priced lifts are manufactured in Texas - apparently there is a hot bed there for heavy steel welders. You will find multiple brands with identical designs - I was told you can completely interchange their parts. You will have no problem getting a two post lift delivered to you for under $2k. I got a couple of friends together to order multiple lifts and we beat that number significantly. Their TP09A lift is rated to 9000 lbs and they work just fine. The only negative is that the lift arms won't easily fit under a really low car so I have to use a small ramp in the front. The only way to avoid this would be to spend significantly more money and get a lift made by Rotary. We installed our lifts ourselves and that wasn't as big of a challenge as you might imagine - but you didn't ask about that so I'll save that for another day. Tom Tice '98 M3/4 '98 328iC '02 325iT '93 325iS - soon to be track mule - currently dangling from the lift '02 X5 Don Wrote: SWMBO *suggested* that I get a lift for the garage (whoopie!) But I have to clean the garage out (bummer..) I do have a 12' ceiling if I get the garage door modified to run along the ceiling and move the opener (whoopie!) But I will have to take down the loft I built 30 years ago (bummer) Anyone have any hints on one for less than $2,000? Twin post design, preferably with hydraulic over electric (my air-compressor is not up to lifting a car..) Used is fine also. Oh - also - used tool cabinets. If I gotta clean the place up I might as well have someplace to put the crap that's accumulated for 30 years. Sears level is fine, I'm not doing this for a living.

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#2. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. > --- "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> wrote: > > I'd agree with Chester's experience not to force air through > the brake fluid > > while bleeding! > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > There are two varieties: one that accepts air from a compressed > air source and > one that is attached to the bug sprayer. I had the later one > where the bug > sprayer container forces air through the fluid which creates tiny > bubbles in suspension. > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > > As Chester has noted the valve where pressure is introduced to the > pressure bleed vessel in some/most cases is submersed in BF My Motive pressure bleeder does not work like this. It is cheap (~$45) and very effective and does not inject tiny bubbles of air into the fluid. I have used it on many E30s and E36s (and Honda Accords) with no issue at all and all with some of the firmest brake pedals I have ever felt in any E30 or E36. I wouldn't exactly call it high pressure either, 10-15psi is more than effective at filling the reservoir with fresh fluid and pushing out the old fluid. Regards, Rich

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#3. Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - Chester's POV. - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 23:55:39 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - Chester's POV. Chester, That comment was uncalled for. I stood around for a while asking if I could help with something, and when you did not respond, I still stayed for a while. After standing around for a while, that's when I said that I was leaving. You NEVER said that you needed my help... If you had, I would have gladly stayed! Whenever I have come to Wayne's house, I have always helped in any way that I can. I have NEVER rebuilt an engine by myself, and NEVER said that. I have worked on cars with other friends of mine.. I have always been open to say when I do not know how to do something. That is why I have asked for help when I thought I needed it.. IF it bothered you that much, you should have been an adult, and just told me No. Chester your usually a very nice guy, but sometimes your comments are very immature. No issues, I will not ask for your gracious help again. Thanks for all of your past help, I appreciate it! Mo It didn't help that we loss a helper since Mo only looks out for Mo and when he learned that we would most likely not get around to doing his car, he took off. THANKS! But we had the tranny off in 1 hour 20 minutes. Also discovered that the person who did the clutch job a few weeks ago really liked grease...greased EVERYTHING! GO FREEDMAN TIRE SERVICE! So after getting the tranny back on and attaching the slave cylinder, I wandered to the cabin of the car to see if we had clutch pedal action. Tis when I saw two broken halves of an eyelet. Another heart sinking moment.... Some epoxy and zip ties and another hour detour and we had completed Don's car. Sorry Don....it really should have taken 20 minutes. Ugh. Mo, you're no longer allowed to ask me for help. You might be able to get away with asking Wayne, but he's just too nice to say no. How is it that a guy who drops engines and rebuilds cars needs hand holding when it comes to installing pulleys, removing a CDV, etc? Don't give me the bullsh*t about being afraid to work on a E36s. Actions speak louder than words and I still remember the time I hardwired your V1 and did a pretty bang up job before we broke for lunch. Lunch comes around and no offer to buy me lunch? Wow. Last time I crawl around in your car. Chester

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#4. RE: [E36M3] Lifts? - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:00:58 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Lifts? Tom - looks very nice as do the occupants :-) I just emailed them a price request including shipping for the same one. Thanks! Don At 10:51 PM 4/20/05, you wrote: >Hi Don, > >I too had to clean out the garage when I installed my lift but I only had >about 10 years worth of stuff. > >In hindsight I wished I had installed the lift long ago - it's the best tool >in my garage. I use it both for working on the car as well as to fit an >additional car in the garage. > >Attached is a picture of the final result. I know the list will strip out >the picture so if anyone else cares to see this, send me a separate e-mail. > >I bought mine from American Automotive Equipment > >http://www.americanautomotiveequipment.com/pages/896434/index.htm _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ NJ SHore BMW Riders - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ E39 Enthusiasts Group - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39/ '03 525iT, '98 M3C/5, '87 K75S

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#5. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Robert Manger
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:21:33 -0400 From: Robert Manger <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. So what are we saying that the "motive type" bleeders are not good to use? try and keep this simple for the people that don't remember their physics from high school. Chester- your story reminded me of when we were putting in the stygar clutch pedal in my car and the spring return snapped. Oh happy day. Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:51:15 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. Ah, now I get it! I remember seeing those when the whole phenomenon started (way back when). I've always used my garden sprayer as a compressed air source and done the bleed, stop, depressurize, fill, repressurize, bleed technique... KC Boyce '97 M3/4 ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.

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#6. Looking for Lollypops - from Eric Fesler
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 06:46:55 -0700 From: Eric Fesler <eric@fesler.org> Subject: Looking for Lollypops Does anyone have a pair of front control arm bushing holders (lollypops) they can part with? I would like to run stock bushings on the street. My new GC plastic in alloy bushings are just too harsh over sharp bumps. Thanks, Eric

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#7. Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:51:55 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. On my "Motive" pressure bleeder the valve port where pressurized air is introduced to the pressure vessel is at the bottom of the pump cylinder and can be submersed in fluid. I'm not convinced that this is an issue, but I have taken to the practice of simply using it as a pressure vessel. KLBurgess -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:27:57 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. Motive -----Original Message----- From: Jay G [mailto:jguzman@hawaii.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:26 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 14:22:41 -1000 From: Jay G <jguzman@hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. anyone know which pressure bleeders DONT bubble air through the fluid???

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#8. Re: Front control arms - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:52:01 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Front control arms on 4/20/05 8:26 AM, "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> wrote: > Do the regular E36 control arms with replaceable ball joints have the same > geometry as those on the M cars except for the bushings? They are the same geometry as the 95 M3, but slightly different from the 96+. > Has anyone tried using these on an M3? The trade-off for being able to replace the ball joints is that they're not as strong. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#9. Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:56:18 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. on 4/20/05 9:16 PM, Jay G <jguzman@hawaii.edu> wrote: > anyone know which pressure bleeders DONT bubble air through the fluid??? I use a Steve D'G cap with low range pressure regulator attached to it, fed directly from an air line. This applies air pressure to the fluid in the reservoir but doesn't bubble air through it. You do have to take the cap off to add fluid, but it's less messy than a remote pressurized fluid system. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. - from K.C. Boyce
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:00:34 -0400 From: "K.C. Boyce" <k_boyce@e30eta.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Clutch Master Cylinder, CDV, etc. We're saying not to use a bleeder that forces air through the brake fluid before sending it through the system. From what others have said, it doesn't sound like the Motive bleeder does that. If you have a homemade garden sprayer bleeder and fill the sprayer with brake fluid (which is then forced into the MC), you'll be introducing air bubbles into the system. I end-run this problem by just using the garden sprayer as a pressure tank (just contains air). KC Boyce '97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Robert Manger [mailto:Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 9:26 AM <snip> So what are we saying that the "motive type" bleeders are not good to use? try and keep this simple for the people that don't remember their physics from high school.

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