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#1. RE: M50 Manifold Issues - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:28:45 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: RE: M50 Manifold Issues on 4/27/05 11:56 AM, Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> wrote: > Hello.. We just installed the M50 manifold in my 98 M3/4. The car refuses > to idle down low. As long as we are above 2000rpm, the car runs fine. But > it does not idle well.. It stumbles, and dies.. As per the instructions > that were on the web, everything looks ok. I am supposed to do a driving > school this weekend at Summit point, and my car is still in pieces!!! If > you have done this upgrade, I would appreciate any thoughts... BTW, the car > is Sharked, conforti type intake, and exhaust. Because of how the OBD-II parts fit onto the OBD-I manifold adaptor it's *extremely* easy to have the idle control valve (at back) or especially the oil separator (round thing at front) fitted such that they're displaced slightly by the manifold support brackets or some other component. If that happens their sealing rings won't fit right and you'll get a vacuum leak. This components *must* fit naturally with nothing pushing on them. After failing to get consistent fit at the oil separator I ended up doing two things: - Grinding a clearance relief in the forward manifold bracket; - With the manifold off the car, dry fitting all the components on the bench and carefully bending the stamped metal component support bracket (ICV fastens to it) so that everything bolted up true. These two together permanently fixed the problems I'd been having in getting vacuum tightness without super-finicky tweaking all the component positions on assembly. Also make sure that all your vacuum hoses fit properly: 3 under the manifold and the bigger one from the ICV to the intake boot. Check all of them at both ends. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:34:40 -0700 From: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) On 4/27/05, Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > Weird .. I run R4S's on 4 different cars -- Alfa, BMW, Jag and Mazda. > > I love them for the _street_ because: > > i) They don't squeal. Ever. > ii) They don't wear rotors at all (over 100,000 miles with these pads). > ii) Their dust is a light _brown_ color, kinda rust-colored, and is > non-corrosive and washes off easily. Trivially, in fact. > iv) They work fine as a street pad, with panic stops, etc. > > Under no circumstances should you use them on the track, though. No > good for track use. > > Oh well, YMMV. I agree. On my last E36, I ran R4Ss mainly as a street pad, but I had done 3 track days on them too. I never had any squeal issues with the pads, but I made it a point to install them with CRC. I ran them for about 10,000 miles, which as I said, included 3 track days and probably 2 seasons of autocross runs. Besides needing some heat (what higher performance pad doesn't) I was very happy with them and probably would have bought them again if I hadn't found a new set of Ultimates for next to nothing. Drive Safely, Raza
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) - from Walter J
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:40:25 -0400 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) > > The R4Ss suck. Really, they do. > > They WILL overheat and fade on the track. > > They WILL squeal like a garbage truck. You think they won't, and they > will lull you into a false sense of security for the first thousand or > two miles, but they will eventually start howling like a city bus on a > crack high. > > They WILL dust like a mofo until your front wheels are covered in grey > dust instead of black. > > Really. Find something else. Trust me on this one. That has not been my experience... I put them on my wife's Passat Wagon 25k miles ago and they stop better than the stock pads and have never squealed. Now, the mrs is not exactly tracking the wagon but it is a big heavy car that mostly does stop-n-go traffic. The dust... well, its about the same as the stock VW pads (a lot). They are almost used up - and I'd buy them again. Now the R4... I used that on the track ONCE on my M3. Bad feel, bad initial bite, quick to fade. They totally suck. I'm all about the PF-97. -- Walter
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:03:32 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) I've actually run R4Ss on my 240z, 1994 Z28 and 2000 C5 and have no problems with squeal. All 3 sets on my Z28 were perfect.I was mainly just asking if they would hold up OK for a DE day. Sounds like they will fade so I'll probably just use stock pads for the first time as some have suggested. From what everyone says, I will have more brakes than balls the first time out anyway! :) Thanks for the input! Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dadgar [mailto:mark@pdc-racing.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 10:26 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 10:21:12 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) On Apr 27, 2005, at 10:16 AM, Greg Cagle wrote: > I don't run my car on the track, but I had the R4S pads on my car for > street use for about a year. I was able to get them not to squeal, > but only with LIBERAL application of anti-squeal goo, and I had to > refresh it a couple of times as the squeal kept coming back. I tried anti-squeal goop, beveling the pads, felt backing, anti-seize, sacrifices of small barnyard animals, etc etc. It always came back. They suck. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 11:08:08 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) On Apr 27, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Dave DeBuhr wrote: > I've actually run R4Ss on my 240z, 1994 Z28 and 2000 C5 and have no > problems > with squeal. All 3 sets on my Z28 were perfect. Different calipers than on the BMW, though. My experiences with them were on an E36 M3, and E39 528i, and an E38 740i. Most of those have the same caliper (if not all, I can't remember if the 740i shares that caliper, too). Anyway, SQUEAAAAAAAL. - Mark
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:36:49 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Track pad experience??? (cobalt -> hawk HT-14) I love the variations on opinions from this list. I've had the exact opposite experience with the R4S pads. I absolutely love them as a street pad, have never had ANY noise issues (3 sets so far, and they now come with anti-squeal backings), hardly dust at all and will stand up to a small amount of track use. The R4 pad, however, will never see time on my car again. Just another opinion, Jonathan L. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark Dadgar The R4Ss suck. Really, they do. They WILL overheat and fade on the track. They WILL squeal like a garbage truck. You think they won't, and they will lull you into a false sense of security for the first thousand or two miles, but they will eventually start howling like a city bus on a crack high. They WILL dust like a mofo until your front wheels are covered in grey dust instead of black. Really. Find something else. Trust me on this one. - Mark, been there done that on multiple cars ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#7. Shirts are here!!! - from GGray657@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:34:32 EDT From: GGray657@aol.com Subject: Shirts are here!!! Well, the shirts are in!!! The Knit shirt looks super nice! I will start shipping them out this week. Look for them in the mail next week! Thanks! Gary Gray Pro Bike/Pro Bike Cycling Team
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#8. Hawk pad experience and HT-14 front and HP Plus front and rear for sale - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 02:16:12 EDT From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: Hawk pad experience and HT-14 front and HP Plus front and rear for sale All; Seeing the discussion about the Hawk pads has reminded me that I have tried the various ones discussed and I have some that I want to sell. Personally I use Hawk HPS front and rear on the street. Stop well, low dust, no problems, no squealing, and I don't use anti-squeal goop with these. I'm running stainless lines, Euro floaters, ATE fluid. I had tried HP Plus front and rear for a couple of months (the set for sale below) and they squealed for me. I couldn't make them stop squealing (but I didn't try using goop either though) so I took them off and replaced them with the HPS pads front and rear. For track I have tried HT-10 front and HP Plus rear, HT-14 front and HT-10 rear, and HT-10 front and rear. I like this last setup the best. The HT-10 and HP Plus worked fine on the track but I needed more initial bite and more braking. So, for the track I tried the HT-14 front with HT-10 rear. For me personally the initial bite was too much too aggressive and I found myself over braking these pads on various tracks that included California Speedway, buttonwillow, laguna seca. I also found that they took a long time to heat up and so took a long time for the squeal to go away on the track. And, they didn't have clips on the back (personal preference to not rattle). So, I went back to the HT-10 front with HT-10 at the rear and like those for the way I use my brakes and the tracks that I visit. And, I haven't found that the brake dust from these pads, the HPS, HPPlus, HT-10 and HT-14 are abrasive or corrosive on my 95 LTW forged street wheels or on my Fikse FM-5 track wheels. I tend to be "friendly" with my track pads and rotors and find the I can get through 2 fronts before I get through 1 rear, and, my pads can last at least a couple of years of about 4 HPDE per year at California tracks (LS, BW, WS, CS, TH, SP etc.). The pads for sale, paypal preferred, shipping from 91405 (California; San Fernando Valley area if interested in local pickup): HT-14 fronts only, these were used one track weekend, virtually all the pad is present, no rattle clips on these: Bimmerworld brand new: 179 My pads: 100 plus shipping from 91405 HP Plus front and rear: fronts are virtually all new used for 2 months on the street, rears are around half there when compared with the thickness of the fronts. The rears are used more than the fronts because they were used as the rear pads on my M3 that was using the HT-10s as the front pads for track days, i.e. HT-10 front, HP Plus rear. There are rattle clips on the HP plus pads. Bimmerworld brand new for the front 79 and rear 69 and thus 148 combined. My pads: 75 for the front and rear combined (I want to sell this as a set) Thanks, Marc 95M3 LA
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#9. Replacing Radiator - from Kin K. Fong
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 08:46:38 -0400 From: "Kin K. Fong" <kfong@mma-architects.com> Subject: Replacing Radiator Hi group, I want to replace my Oem radiator with 55k miles. Zygmunt got it around $170 w/ shipping. One of my friend just sent me this: http://www.radiatorexpress.com/product.asp?part=1997+BMW+M3++%2D+3%2E2+liter+L6+RADIATOR+Name+Brand+OEM+Style+Replacement+w%2F+Aluminum+Core&part_id=39277&aaia_id=1013252 Is our oem aluminum core ? Any suggestion? TIA, Kin NJ Chapter
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#10. Re: Hawk pads HT-14 front and HP Plus for sale - from Msebmwman@aol.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:51:22 EDT From: Msebmwman@aol.com Subject: Re: Hawk pads HT-14 front and HP Plus for sale Re: my pads for sale: Prices for the HT-14 and HP Plus pads don't include shipping. Shipping can be from 91405 by UPS ground. Again, paypal preferred. Thanks Marc 95M3 In a message dated 4/27/2005 11:16:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Msebmwman writes: > > > The pads for sale, paypal preferred, shipping from 91405 (California; San > Fernando Valley area if interested in local pickup): > >