E36M3 #4285

Monday, May 09, 2005 14:26:12

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Final Chapter: Clunk Clunk - from david kroth
#2. Re: [E36M3] car wont run - from Boen168@aol.com
#3. Re: [E36M3] Recaro Seats - from David Ngo
#4. RE: [E36M3] car wont run - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
#5. Re: Recaro Seats - from Neil Maller
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#7. Re: Recaro Seats - from Neil Maller
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats - from David Ngo
#9. Re: [E36M3] Clunk Clunk - RESOLVED - from Jim Bassett
#10. Fog light connector question - from Jeremy Conners

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#1. Final Chapter: Clunk Clunk - from david kroth
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 06:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: Final Chapter: Clunk Clunk Finished up my Bilstein shock/strut install last evening. As mentioned in previous posts, I had a brain fart when putting the rear together. I inadvertently disloged the rear springs when installing the shocks. Easy enough to fix after I figured out what was wrong. On to the fronts. Everything came apart and went back together without much fanfare. I did forget to buy a special tool to install the strut nut, but that was easilly fabricated starting with a deep socket and applying a generous helping of bench grinder. The other tool I had to fabricate was a "thin" wrench to grab the back side of the anti-sway bar end link. I had a bicycle cone wrench that almost fit. A few strokes with a flat file took care of that. The Bilsteins with stock springs provide better feedback than the (tired) OEM shocks. Response to big road imperfections (rail road tracks) has not changed much. I find most of the improvement in the little stuff like expansion joints and the like. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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#2. Re: [E36M3] car wont run - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:02:45 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] car wont run Whining sounds?? Could be a bad starter...gears may be stripped and not catching. Don't think it has anything to do with an air sensor though. Regards, David '95 M3 In a message dated 5/9/2005 6:16:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:43:54 -0400 From: sam langley <samrl@triad.rr.com> Subject: re:car wont run ok, my little brother took my car to the prom this weekend, and of course it broke down on him won't start, keep hearing a whining noise when trying to start- and engine does not turn over at all.. peake tool gives error 29-air sensor.. any suggestions? ideas of where to start? whoops.. forgot the pertinent info: 95 M3 w/ 122k eurosport cold air intake w/ euro hfm sam

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Recaro Seats - from David Ngo
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Recaro Seats Neil, I am using the stock receptacles on my Evo 2s, which IIRC are wider than the Speeds. The pretensioners do fit, though they rub on the carpet on the center tunnel a bit when the seats are pulled forwards on the sliders. I doubt you'd have a problem with the stockers with the Speed seats. The stalk on which the receptacles are the perfect length for using the stock belts with the Evos. You can see a pic of how the receptacles are positioned here: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/davidngo11/seats/IMG_2956.JPG If you choose to go with the E30 seatbelt receptacles, the only problem is that your airbag light will turn on. Dave --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:38:39 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Recaro Seats > > I just picked up a nice pair of Recaro Speed seats > (thanks Jeremy), > successor model to the SRD and very similar. They > came with the matching > sliders and TC Kline mounts. The latter have a > welded tab for mounting a > normal seatbelt receptacle, but I understand that > the stock E36 front > assembly won't fit due to the bulk of its > pretensioner mechanism. > > Apparently one option is to transplant the rear seat > belt receptacles to the > front. My car has a rollbar, which precludes > carrying passengers back there > anyway, so the rears could certainly be made > available. > > It would be nice to have front receptacles that are > on a rigid stalk long > enough to present them in the normal position and > allow fastening the > seatbelt with one hand. I haven't taken the rear > seat out in a while so I > just don't remember what the rear receptacle mounts > are like. > > Anyone else with Recaro SRD/Speed seats BTDT, have a > better or alternate > solution for using the stock lap/diagonal seatbelt? > > In addition the Recaros have a sewn in slot for a > harness sub-strap. My > present Schroth sub-strap mounting method using > stock seats won't work with > the new seats, so I need to come up with convenient > and safe attachment > points. For, err, anatomical reasons I prefer to > stay with a 6-point > harness, but guess I could go with 5 if necessary > (gulp!). Again, anyone > BTDT? Perhaps this is as straightforward as drilling > some more holes in the > floorpan and using eyebolts into SCCA reinforcing > plates? >

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#4. RE: [E36M3] car wont run - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:18:24 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] car wont run Hmmm, this sounds familiar. My car does exactly the same thing when left out overnight in the cold (thinks it's trying to tell me something?). Since I only have the problem intermitantly I have never bothered to look too far into the it. My initial thoughts are that it is a stuck bendix on the starter. As the strater turns, the torque throws out the gear to engage on the flywheel. Once you remove power from the starter, the bendix spring pulls the gear back away from the flywheel. If this spring sticks, the starter spins but the gear will not engage - hence the whining noise. A worse scenario is that you have stripped teeth off the starter or flywheel (or both). Try moving the car in gear to present a different part of the flywheel to the starter. If that works, there is a good chance you are missing teeth on the flywheel. If not, you might be ready for a new starter motor. The fault code is not related to your starting problem. Good Luck, Graeme -----Original Message----- From: sam langley [mailto:samrl@triad.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:46 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] car wont run Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 23:40:12 -0400 From: sam langley <samrl@triad.rr.com> Subject: car wont run ok, my little brother took my car to the prom this weekend, and of course it broke down on him won't start, keep hearing a whining noise when trying to start- and engine does not turn over at all.. peake tool gives error 29-air sensor.. any suggestions? ideas of where to start? ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. Re: Recaro Seats - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 09:21:24 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Recaro Seats on 5/9/05 8:15 AM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > I believe the common way around this was to use a seat belt receptacle off of > a E30. OK, that makes sense. The E30 has a simple stalk with no pretensioner and a single bolt mount. Two related questions: - Anyone know if the E30 units have the latch switch for the seatbelt light? Ahah! David just answered that one, thanks: on 5/9/05 9:12 AM, David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > If you choose to go with the E30 seatbelt receptacles, > the only problem is that your airbag light will turn So, can anyone remind me what the resistor value is to bypass the latch switch if I need to? I'm remembering 100 ohms, vs. 3.3 for the SRS units, but I could be a maroon baboon. on 5/9/05 8:15 AM, Doug Wirth <doug_wirth@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have SRDs with sliders and Speedware seat mounts. My stock seatbelt from my > 99M3 bolted right up. According to TC Kline's shop mine won't on their mounts, although I haven't tried it yet. Your Speedware mounts may well be different. Guess I'd consider different mounts if it made sense, but that would add considerably to the project cost. Could you describe the Speedware mounts? They don't seem to show them on their web site. > Are you sure you don't have a place to bolt it too? There is a welded tab with a single bolt hole. As I recall the E36 assembly uses two bolts. I can't confirm any of this until I get into the job, and unfortunately I won't have time to do it before next weekend's Putnam Park DE. (Not to mention that I threw my back out last week, so I'm for damn sure not going to lift the stock seats out of the car, which pretty much amounts to lower back suicide!) Your 99 has the electrically fired pyrotechnic pretensioners, so I imagine that you were able to plug them right back in and preserve the function. My car is older and has spring units that are triggered via a Bowden cable from a mechanism on the seat. Since there isn't an obvious way to transplant the external mechanism there's no big incentive to reuse my original assemblies unless they bolt right up with no fuss. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:58:17 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats >Your 99 has the electrically fired pyrotechnic pretensioners, so I imagine >that you were able to plug them right back in and preserve the function. My >car is older and has spring units that are triggered via a Bowden cable from >a mechanism on the seat. Since there isn't an obvious way to transplant the >external mechanism there's no big incentive to reuse my original assemblies >unless they bolt right up with no fuss. I think my one concern with what David has in his car (per that picture) is that the stock lap belt doesn't look like it would tighten across the pelvis very well, race seats have a really high side bolster and this belt is routed over it. I think the rear seat belt buckle solution would be able to be routed inside the slot on the side of the seat therefore routing the belt over your pelvis. David's solution kind of negates the use of a pre-tensioner with those seats since they won't be serving their purpose. At least IMO. Carlos. (seat designer dude)

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#7. Re: Recaro Seats - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:12:08 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Recaro Seats on 5/9/05 9:58 AM, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com at Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > I think my one concern with what David has in his car (per that picture) is > that the stock lap belt doesn't look like it would tighten across the pelvis > very well, race seats have a really high side bolster and this belt is routed > over it. I think the rear seat belt buckle solution would be able to be routed > inside the slot on the side of the seat therefore routing the belt over your > pelvis. David's solution kind of negates the use of a pre-tensioner with those > seats since they won't be serving their purpose. At least IMO. > > Carlos. (seat designer dude) > Since my Recaro Speed model isn't a high sided race seat like David's I fortunately don't have to worry about that. Here's a pic: http://www.speedwaremotorsports.com/seat/speed05.asp I've only sat in them outside the car, but they have very good support indeed. I needed to retain a flip-forward seat design so that track wheels can be loaded into the back seat area - another lower back suicide activity... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats - from David Ngo
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:02:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats I was concerned with that as well before I actually received the seats, but the seats are not as deep as they appear. Everyone who's been in my car has has the belts fit snugly against their pelvis. Maybe I just have fat people riding with me. :-D For reference, I'm 5' 7", ~165lbs. Dave --- Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:58:17 -0400 > From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Recaro Seats > I think my one concern with what David has in his > car (per that picture) is > that the stock lap belt doesn't look like it would > tighten across the > pelvis very > well, race seats have a really high side bolster and > this belt is routed > over it. > I think the rear seat belt buckle solution would be > able to be routed > inside the slot > on the side of the seat therefore routing the belt > over your pelvis. > David's solution > kind of negates the use of a pre-tensioner with > those seats since they > won't be serving > their purpose. At least IMO. >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Clunk Clunk - RESOLVED - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 10:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clunk Clunk - RESOLVED On Sat, May 7, 2005 10:25 am, david kroth said: > The short answer: the springs had slipped off their > lower perches and I didn't notice. Good catch. BTW, you didn't mention how many miles on your M3, but you did mention that the RSMs are original. I would HIGHLY recommend you replace them with aftermarket ones. JT-Designs and Ground Control seem to be the preferred ones (I have JTD ones in both cars, mainly 'cause they were the only ones available when I first changed them.) My 2 cents, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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#10. Fog light connector question - from Jeremy Conners
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Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:23:19 -0400 From: "Jeremy Conners" <jeremy.conners@comcast.net> Subject: Fog light connector question My driver side fog light connector wiring fatigue failed / corroded where the wiring enters the molded plastic boots that are inserted in the white 90 degree connector. I want to verify the part numbers before I order. This is what I found in the ETK: Connector housing: 61 13 1 378 417 Circular connector: 61 13 0 007 445 (0.5-1.0 mm^2) 61 13 0 007 446 (1.0-2.5 mm^2) Can anyone verify which circular connector is needed? I couldn't get a partial part number to help in the search. Also, I assume these 'repair' connectors come with pigtails. Can anyone verify this? Thanks, Jeremy 97 M3

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