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#1. Re: [E36M3] Speaking of bike (roof) racks - from Sprichardson@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:49:42 EDT From: Sprichardson@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Speaking of bike (roof) racks Group, I'll chime in here on the rack question. While I agree with Gary's comments about roof racks vs. trailer hitch racks for carrying bicycles, most of us don't have trailer hitches, and some of us carry racing canoes, Kayaks and other long or wide stuff that won't go on a trailer hitch rack. I've been using a Thule rack on my 96 M3/2 for the past 7 years or so. I believe it's listed as the standard E36/2 3 series fitment in the Thule catalog. Two door E36M3's do not have the same clips as 4 door E36M3's, so the towers sit on the roof with clamps that extend over the edge. I think that because of the raised section along the roof on E36 cars, it's an exceptionally solid roof mount. I use 3M clear pads (same material as the front end protection) under the rack pads and would recommend that too. I'd suggest that you go to a Thule distributor near you, and look through their master catalog. Let me know if you can't find what you want, I can try to find numbers, send pictures, whatever. Good luck, Scott 96 M3/2
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#2. RE: Front control arm replacement cost? - from Michael, Dave
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:43:31 -0400 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: RE: Front control arm replacement cost? Thanks for all the comments regarding my question about front control arm replacement costs. Relative to some of the comments and queries: - The $780 did not include an alignment. - I considered doin' the job myself, but my "do" list around the house is already very long, plus I reserve what extra time I have for my kids - I assume they installed all the correct m3 parts and bushings, but no way to tell really Anyway, thanks again for the feedback. My sense that the cost was at the high end of the range, but still in the ballpark Dave 98 m3/4
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#3. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks - from Scott McClung
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Very valid points you raise. Been there done that on your #1 / #3 - luckily it never happened on the M3, but I messed up my Q45 a bit doing that - I ended up changing to a system where I put the garage door remote in the glovebox where I could not reach it easily - i.e. moved from it's normal spot so I don't go into autopilot and drive right into the garage like normal.... I actually do have a trailer hitch rack for 2 bikes - quite nice, I use it on my SUV for longer trips when I don't have room inside for the bike. I worry about backing into something with my $4K+ bike back there, but..... In fact, I bought a hitch to mount on my '04 Z06, but I never got around to it and instead I've been driving the SUV the days I have my bike with me - at least 3 days a week. That is part of why I haven't been driving the Z06, but in general I have determined it does not really fit my needs for other reasons which is why I am putting it up for sale next month and am in the market for a new car. E36 M3 is high on my list still, but also looking at Legacy GT, G35, S60R and 330i ZHP and curious about the new Lexus IS350 due out soon. Scott GGray657@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 6/17/2005 1:26:40 AM Central Standard Time, smlists@pacbell.net writes: 3 reasons I would want the bike on the roof: 1. going MTB when the bike gets filthy, rather not put it inside the car 2. going MTB on windy roads like hwy 9, a bike inside is flying around a bit 3. 2 people + 2 bikes - don't want to lay them on top of each other in the car Since we're on bike racks! I personally do not like roof racks...Been there done them after 20 years of riding and racing both road and MTB's... Why. 1. You can actually drop a fork leg right onto the roof and put a nice dent/scratch, ask me how I know... 2. They KILL your fuel economy if you have two bikes and all the gear for a week end adventure, once again ask me how I know.. 3. You can destroy the bike, your garage or a banks door/roof....Brain fade after a long ride or the normal DUPP I forgot they were up there....I have not done it but have fixed many a roof rack due to this.....A few destroyed the roof of the car and the car had to have major surgery one guy had to actually have an entire roof skin replaced on a 2001 VW jetta... 4. Do you really want a dirty nasty MTB on your roof dropping mud and dirt all over the place...I don't.. What I like....Trailer hitch racks.... Why. 1. You don't have to blow your back, or other body parts out, lifting a bike up onto the roof while attempting to balance it in your hands and get it in the proper spot... 2. On the back the bike is out of the wind/ bugs/airstream..and you get, better fuel mileage and less bug guts on your ride.... 3. You have a trailer hitch and can actually buy a small trailer if you want one to haul other crap in...Like all your track day gear, track tires, pop up tent, tool box, big cooler chairs...etc..and the crap is not packed into your car like like sardine's. 4. You can take it off so you don't look like a dork riding around in your M3 with a roof rack...Personal opinion...I hate a nice car with a rack on the roof...Might be the fact I have put a LOT of style point racks on for people who pay more for the dam rack then the bike is worth..My first rule if the bike cost less than the rack, you may need a new bike before you buy a roof rack... The only negative is if you get whacked from the rear but the chances of that happening are about the same of taking out the bike on the roof. I have had my bike on the back for ten years and never had any problems. And I have a trailer to go pull small crap around that folds up and can be stored in the garage. Just some observations from a bike shop owner/old time cyclist... Thanks, Gary Gray Pro Bike/Pro Bike Cycling Team
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#4. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks - from Wayne Miller
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:15:29 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Speaking of bike rack stories...I have a friend (it really wasn't me - or Chester!) who this happened to and it took him a while to admit this but it is pretty funny... He has a VW Golf with a bike rack and forgot about the bike one time when pulling into his garage. BAM! The bike falls off and does damage to the bike but not the car. He takes the bike to the bike shop to have it fixed and brings it back home 2 weeks later and on the way home - BAM! He did it again pulling into his garage! I have one of the BMW roof racks for my E46M3 and I am very happy with it. I put our mountain bikes on top when we take them places and other than the 2-3 MPG reduction in mileage, it has worked out fine. I am always a little worried about them flying off but I tested it up to near triple digit speeds (ok just over triple digit speeds) with no problems. -Wayne
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#5. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks - from J Files
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:30:21 -0700 From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks The thread is almost dead, but I knew I had a few old pictures, so I found them, cropped one, and have posted two in the event anyone cares any more about roof racks. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsf/19934690/ - Yakima and Thule roof racks mounted on 98 M3 coupes, side by side http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsf/19937886/ - closer shot of the rear Yakima SST mounting As you can see, the distance between the legs is only about 2.5 feet. Generally, the owner of the green M3 carries his bike inside the car when solo. Usually, I carry a bike inside my Jeep if solo, on the top if more than one person in the car. Jim
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#6. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks - from loweseaton@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:55:31 -0400 From: loweseaton@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks I maybe shouldn't admit this, but I have driven my bike into low clearance obstacles three (3) times! Twice into my own garage and once was my company's parking garage - actually it was the low hanging heavy pipe just before the concrete ramp but it was the same difference to my 17 lb bike. But as many miles as I have carried my bike on my car, I'm probably still doing OK. Hey! It works for the airlines! They say flying is the safest travel - only 1 person dies every 1,000,000 miles :-) I've never damaged any of my cars (well - you can't tell any additional damage to my old beater car) and only minor, repairable damage to my bikes. My carbon frame TREK has taken some pretty hard hits and not broken the frame or fork yet. [knocking on wood sound] About the worst damage was when I had a bike hanging on a trunk rack and I backed into another car busting the spokes. I've since quit using my roof top rack very much except for long trips or when I want to carry 3+ bikes. I now use a receiver hitch mount rack for most local trips. And when I do use the roof top rack, I take the garage door opener OUT of the cabin and put it in the trunk when I put my bike on top. That seems to have stopped my running into the house garage with a bike on top. :-) Lowell Seaton '95 M3 numerous TREK bikes -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Miller <m3@waynemiller.com> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:16:35 -0500 Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:15:29 -0400 From: "Wayne Miller" <m3@waynemiller.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Speaking of bike rack stories...I have a friend (it really wasn't me - or Chester!) who this happened to and it took him a while to admit this but it is pretty funny... He has a VW Golf with a bike rack and forgot about the bike one time when pulling into his garage. BAM! The bike falls off and does damage to the bike but not the car. He takes the bike to the bike shop to have it fixed and brings it back home 2 weeks later and on the way home - BAM! He did it again pulling into his garage! I have one of the BMW roof racks for my E46M3 and I am very happy with it. I put our mountain bikes on top when we take them places and other than the 2-3 MPG reduction in mileage, it has worked out fine. I am always a little worried about them flying off but I tested it up to near triple digit speeds (ok just over triple digit speeds) with no problems. -Wayne ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Re: speaking of bike racks - Thule does make a rack - from Justin Gerry
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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:11:27 -0400 From: "Justin Gerry" <justin_gerry@warpmail.net> Subject: Re: speaking of bike racks - Thule does make a rack Thule does make a rack for the E36 2-door. I know because I have owned one for over 6 years. Just look for a the E36 2-door (does not matter if a listing is for a 318i/323i/325i/328i/M3 2 door '90-'99) as it is all the same, it uses the rain gutter and clips that go around the outside connecting in the small space above the window seals. No "nipples" as others have described though. I'd also recommend the air foil for the front, it helps maintain gas mileage (I lose about 2mpg highway) and it quiet the window noise. I've carried bikes, christmas trees, mattresses, boxes, wood, and skis on it. So I'd say its pretty secure. No worries about dirt and grime, its just a car. You just need to be careful removing and installing stuff from the roof. I don't recommend carrying a mattress over long distances though. As always, YMMV. -Justin '76 02 '97 m3 http://www.bmw2002.net
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#8. Front control arm replacement cost? - from Mo Karamat
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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:34:31 -0400 From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? Dave, Hello. $180 for the standard e36 steel arms sounds high.. I was pricing the aluminum e30m3 arms, and they are ~$150. IMHO, 5 hrs labor does sound a little high to me for a professional to replace them.. Mo 98 M3/4 -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:02 -0400 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? Folks So my car was at the dealer for some minor work a few weeks ago, and on the work order they wrote that I needed both front ball joints replaced. Estimated cost - $1065.00. Figuring that was way too much, I researched the part cost and found that control arms could be had for no more than $180.00 each. So I instead took the car to a local independent BMW specialist. His part cost was reasonable, but he still charged 5 hours labor. Is that really what it takes? Total cost was $780.00...... Anyways, I have that slightly odd feeling that something smells a little, but I can't tell if its real or if I am imagining things Opinions welcome. Thanks! Dave 98 m3/4 -----Original Message----- From: E36M3 [mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 3:02 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #4332 ************************************************************** E36M3 List - Forum for Discussion of E36M3 Series Automobiles ************************************************************** BMWMPower on the Web: http://www.bmw-m.net ************************************************************** This digest contains the following messages: 1. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> 2. Front control arm replacement cost? by: Michael, Dave <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> 3. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> 4. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> 5. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> 6. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> 7. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> 8. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> 9. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> 10. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> -------------------- 1 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping on the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan attached to those. Scott Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks >Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, right? Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years ago. -Carlos. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 2 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:02 -0400 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? Folks So my car was at the dealer for some minor work a few weeks ago, and on the work order they wrote that I needed both front ball joints replaced. Estimated cost - $1065.00. Figuring that was way too much, I researched the part cost and found that control arms could be had for no more than $180.00 each. So I instead took the car to a local independent BMW specialist. His part cost was reasonable, but he still charged 5 hours labor. Is that really what it takes? Total cost was $780.00...... Anyways, I have that slightly odd feeling that something smells a little, but I can't tell if its real or if I am imagining things Opinions welcome. Thanks! Dave 98 m3/4 -------------------- 3 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:30 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Yes, one nip per mounting point, two mounting points per side. 4 nipples total hidden in roof seam behind rubber door seal. The e36 attachment is the same 4 door, 2 door, and M models, 318, 325 & 328. For some strange reason Thule doesn't list applications for M, I think because it's a sports car and is more capable/liable to be thrown thru corners at a higher velocity by its owners. Yakima just didn't care to exclude the M, but with carrying any cargo comes the assumption of some degree of common sense of the operator. I guess there are a lot of questions, yes the yakima rack I am selling will work for us all. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:22 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping on the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan attached to those. Scott Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks >Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, right? Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years ago. -Carlos. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 4 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:34:40 -0700 From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. I think they are "Y clips"... Anyway, I've got the clips and associated towers in the rafters at home. They definitely work, but the parts are getting harder to come by, as Yakima has been making the "Q" clips and towers for at least a decade. If you are interested, I can look this evening and get you some part numbers. You may find the old parts on eBay or similar -- I did. Or you may convince me to sell them, as I generally use the Yakima (with Q clips and Q Towers) on my Cherokee. Kept the narrow bars, towers, and clips for the M3 around as a "just in case" type thing - some times, you just want the M3 on a trip, rather than the Jeep. Thule gear will also fit the E36 coupe, as a friend has a Thule roof rack for his 98 M3. Both Thule and Yakima hook up to the edges of the roof, there are no embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. Jim On 6/16/05, Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: speaking of bike racks > > Yakima has no fit listed for the E36 3-series 2-door. However, Thule lists a fit for the E36 3 series 2-door but shows no fit for the M3 2-door. Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is no difference in the upper body / windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, right? > > Scott > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping > on the roof line like the sedan does? The sedan has nipplies?!? Cool. Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. :-) -------------------- 6 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:44:17 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Hehe, and mine are bright red, hellrot red that is. 97 M3/4 Hellrot -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:42 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the > weatherstripping on the roof line like the sedan does? The sedan has nipplies?!? Cool. Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. :-) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 7 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Good to know - maybe I will buy it from ya, let me think about it. as an aside, I have flung my old M3/4 pretty hard heading up HWY9 and related mountain roads on the way to the MTB trails with a bike on top. Never had an issue. I sure had a lot more fun on the way there and on the way back than those chumps in their SUVs :-) HA. Scott Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: Yes, one nip per mounting point, two mounting points per side. 4 nipples total hidden in roof seam behind rubber door seal. The e36 attachment is the same 4 door, 2 door, and M models, 318, 325 & 328. For some strange reason Thule doesn't list applications for M, I think because it's a sports car and is more capable/liable to be thrown thru corners at a higher velocity by its owners. Yakima just didn't care to exclude the M, but with carrying any cargo comes the assumption of some degree of common sense of the operator. I guess there are a lot of questions, yes the yakima rack I am selling will work for us all. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:22 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping on the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan attached to those. Scott Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks >Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, right? Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years ago. -Carlos. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -------------------- 8 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks No need - I have those clips left over from my set-up on my M3/4. I never get rid of anything, cause you never know when you may need it again :-) Scott J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. I think they are "Y clips"... Anyway, I've got the clips and associated towers in the rafters at home. They definitely work, but the parts are getting harder to come by, as Yakima has been making the "Q" clips and towers for at least a decade. If you are interested, I can look this evening and get you some part numbers. You may find the old parts on eBay or similar -- I did. Or you may convince me to sell them, as I generally use the Yakima (with Q clips and Q Towers) on my Cherokee. Kept the narrow bars, towers, and clips for the M3 around as a "just in case" type thing - some times, you just want the M3 on a trip, rather than the Jeep. Thule gear will also fit the E36 coupe, as a friend has a Thule roof rack for his 98 M3. Both Thule and Yakima hook up to the edges of the roof, there are no embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. Jim On 6/16/05, Scott McClung wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung > Subject: speaking of bike racks > > Yakima has no fit listed for the E36 3-series 2-door. However, Thule lists a fit for the E36 3 series 2-door but shows no fit for the M3 2-door. Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is no difference in the upper body / windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, right? > > Scott > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:48:39 -0700 From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks In light of the newer post referring to nipples on the M3/4, I must amend my message... On 6/16/05, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:34:40 -0700 > From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. ON THE COUPE, WITH THE Y CLIPS, the > ...Yakima hooks up to the edges of the roof, there are no > embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. > Never checked in the weather stripping for nipples. Clearly the E36 coupe lacks the flip-cover rack mount points that the E46 coupe has. No recent exposure to an E36 sedan to look at its roof to comment on their presence... -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks Sho-nuff!! The system works OK, but the one downside is the feet of the Q-tower does touch the paint. The newer BMW's have a much better integrated rack attachment with hidden feet that hold the rack w/o touching the paint. Much better set-up. But not enough better to sway a car buying decision to a platform that has other less desireable attributes. Here is a pic of the rack set-up I used on my M5 when I had it: http://home.pacbell.net/dorenemc/M5Rack.html I do still have the same bike, btw.... Scott Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping > on the roof line like the sedan does? The sedan has nipplies?!? Cool. Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. :-) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Front control arm replacement cost? - from Hans Batra
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Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:08:13 -0400 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Front control arm replacement cost? I think this discussion basically highlights book hours vs. actual hours - and let's face it - most of the time, actual hours are nowhere near book hours. In the early 80s, while in college, I took my 1977 530i to a respected shop to have them do various work on the car. I asked the owner if I could watch the mechanic work on my car that day, as I didn't have any classes, and promised to stay out of the mechanic's way. The owner agreed and I spent from roughly 8:30 to 12:00, and then from 12:30 to 4:00 watching my car get various items replaced, etc. When I went to the cashier to pay my bill, the bill was for over 16 hours of shop labor. I complained and the owner wouldn't budge. I had to pay him his amount to have my car released from the shop. I paid with Amex and then took it up with them. After a couple of letters to them, filing out forms, several phone conversations,etc - I received a check for almost $400 (from Amex). Where do the book numbers come from? I watched the mechanic replace a diff mount in under 15 minutes and yet I wasn't charged anywhere near 15 minutes. Do they watch the least competent mechanics do work and then calculate the hours based on their performance? regards, Hans 1998 M3 (previously belonged to Shel Hart) 1997 M3 FS: Red/black (66K miles) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mo Karamat" <karamatm@optonline.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [E36M3] Front control arm replacement cost? > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:34:31 -0400 > From: Mo Karamat <karamatm@optonline.net> > Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? > > Dave, > > Hello. $180 for the standard e36 steel arms sounds high.. I was pricing > the aluminum e30m3 arms, and they are ~$150. IMHO, 5 hrs labor does sound > a > little high to me for a professional to replace them.. > > Mo > 98 M3/4 > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:02 -0400 > From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> > Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? > > Folks > > So my car was at the dealer for some minor work a few weeks ago, and on > the work order they wrote that I needed both front ball joints replaced. > Estimated cost - $1065.00. Figuring that was way too much, I researched > the part cost and found that control arms could be had for no more than > $180.00 each. So I instead took the car to a local independent BMW > specialist. His part cost was reasonable, but he still charged 5 hours > labor. Is that really what it takes? Total cost was $780.00...... > > Anyways, I have that slightly odd feeling that something smells a > little, but I can't tell if its real or if I am imagining things > > Opinions welcome. > > Thanks! > > Dave > 98 m3/4 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: E36M3 [mailto:e36m3@bmw-m.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 3:02 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] E36M3 #4332 > > > ************************************************************** > E36M3 List - Forum for Discussion of E36M3 Series Automobiles > ************************************************************** > BMWMPower on the Web: http://www.bmw-m.net > ************************************************************** > > This digest contains the following messages: > > 1. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > 2. Front control arm replacement cost? > by: Michael, Dave <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> > 3. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> > 4. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> > 5. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> > 6. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> > 7. RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > 8. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > 9. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> > 10. Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > by: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping > on > the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan > attached to those. > > Scott > > Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 > From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > >>Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? > There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 > series, right? > > Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years > ago. > > -Carlos. > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > -------------------- 2 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:02 -0400 > From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> > Subject: Front control arm replacement cost? > > Folks > > So my car was at the dealer for some minor work a few weeks ago, and on > the work order they wrote that I needed both front ball joints replaced. > Estimated cost - $1065.00. Figuring that was way too much, I researched > the part cost and found that control arms could be had for no more than > $180.00 each. So I instead took the car to a local independent BMW > specialist. His part cost was reasonable, but he still charged 5 hours > labor. Is that really what it takes? Total cost was $780.00...... > > Anyways, I have that slightly odd feeling that something smells a > little, but I can't tell if its real or if I am imagining things > > Opinions welcome. > > Thanks! > > Dave > 98 m3/4 > > > > > > -------------------- 3 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:33:30 -0400 > From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Yes, one nip per mounting point, two mounting points per side. 4 nipples > total hidden in roof seam behind rubber door seal. The e36 attachment is > the > same 4 door, 2 door, and M models, 318, 325 & 328. For some strange > reason > Thule doesn't list applications for M, I think because it's a sports car > and > is more capable/liable to be thrown thru corners at a higher velocity by > its > owners. Yakima just didn't care to exclude the M, but with carrying any > cargo comes the assumption of some degree of common sense of the operator. > > I guess there are a lot of questions, yes the yakima rack I am selling > will > work for us all. > > Patrick Goss > 97 M3/4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:22 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping > on > the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan > attached to those. > > Scott > > Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 > From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > >>Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? > There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 > series, right? > > Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years > ago. > > -Carlos. > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > -------------------- 4 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:34:40 -0700 > From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. I think they > are "Y clips"... Anyway, I've got the clips and associated towers in > the rafters at home. They definitely work, but the parts are getting > harder to come by, as Yakima has been making the "Q" clips and towers > for at least a decade. > > If you are interested, I can look this evening and get you some part > numbers. You may find the old parts on eBay or similar -- I did. Or > you may convince me to sell them, as I generally use the Yakima (with > Q clips and Q Towers) on my Cherokee. Kept the narrow bars, towers, > and clips for the M3 around as a "just in case" type thing - some > times, you just want the M3 on a trip, rather than the Jeep. > > Thule gear will also fit the E36 coupe, as a friend has a Thule roof > rack for his 98 M3. > > Both Thule and Yakima hook up to the edges of the roof, there are no > embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. > > Jim > > > On 6/16/05, Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> wrote: >> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> >> Subject: speaking of bike racks >> >> Yakima has no fit listed for the E36 3-series 2-door. However, Thule > lists a fit for the E36 3 series 2-door but shows no fit for the M3 > 2-door. > Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? > There is no difference in the upper body / windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 > series, right? >> >> Scott >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> > > > > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: >> Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping >> on the roof line like the sedan does? > > The sedan has nipplies?!? > > Cool. > > Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll > wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. > > :-) > > > > > -------------------- 6 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:44:17 -0400 > From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Hehe, and mine are bright red, hellrot red that is. > > 97 M3/4 Hellrot > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:42 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: >> Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the >> weatherstripping on the roof line like the sedan does? > > The sedan has nipplies?!? > > Cool. > > Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll > wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. > > :-) > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > -------------------- 7 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:46:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Good to know - maybe I will buy it from ya, let me think about it. > > as an aside, I have flung my old M3/4 pretty hard heading up HWY9 and > related mountain roads on the way to the MTB trails with a bike on top. > Never had an issue. I sure had a lot more fun on the way there and on the > way back than those chumps in their SUVs :-) HA. > > Scott > > Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > > Yes, one nip per mounting point, two mounting points per side. 4 nipples > total hidden in roof seam behind rubber door seal. The e36 attachment is > the > same 4 door, 2 door, and M models, 318, 325 & 328. For some strange > reason > Thule doesn't list applications for M, I think because it's a sports car > and > is more capable/liable to be thrown thru corners at a higher velocity by > its > owners. Yakima just didn't care to exclude the M, but with carrying any > cargo comes the assumption of some degree of common sense of the operator. > > I guess there are a lot of questions, yes the yakima rack I am selling > will > work for us all. > > Patrick Goss > 97 M3/4 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott McClung [mailto:smlists@pacbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 2:22 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:13:15 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping > on > the roof line like the sedan does? The Yakima I used to have on my sedan > attached to those. > > > Scott > > Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:52:01 -0400 > From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > >>Has anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? > There is no difference in the upper body / >windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 > series, right? > > Yup. I used to have a Thule roof rack on my old 95 M3 that I had 6 years > ago. > > -Carlos. > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High > Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing > http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > -------------------- 8 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:47:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > No need - I have those clips left over from my set-up on my M3/4. I never > get rid of anything, cause you never know when you may need it again :-) > > Scott > > J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: > The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. I think they > are "Y clips"... Anyway, I've got the clips and associated towers in > the rafters at home. They definitely work, but the parts are getting > harder to come by, as Yakima has been making the "Q" clips and towers > for at least a decade. > > If you are interested, I can look this evening and get you some part > numbers. You may find the old parts on eBay or similar -- I did. Or > you may convince me to sell them, as I generally use the Yakima (with > Q clips and Q Towers) on my Cherokee. Kept the narrow bars, towers, > and clips for the M3 around as a "just in case" type thing - some > times, you just want the M3 on a trip, rather than the Jeep. > > Thule gear will also fit the E36 coupe, as a friend has a Thule roof > rack for his 98 M3. > > Both Thule and Yakima hook up to the edges of the roof, there are no > embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. > > Jim > > > On 6/16/05, Scott McClung wrote: >> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:25:48 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Scott McClung >> Subject: speaking of bike racks >> >> Yakima has no fit listed for the E36 3-series 2-door. However, Thule >> lists > a fit for the E36 3 series 2-door but shows no fit for the M3 2-door. Has > anyone used the Thule rack on a 2-door M3? It should work, right? There is > no difference in the upper body / windows of an M3 vs. regular 3 series, > right? >> >> Scott >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> >> > > > > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:48:39 -0700 > From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > In light of the newer post referring to nipples on the M3/4, I must > amend my message... > > > On 6/16/05, J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> wrote: >> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:34:40 -0700 >> From: J Files <jsf.online@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks >> >> The older style Yakima works with the 3 series coupe. > > ON THE COUPE, WITH THE Y CLIPS, the >> ...Yakima hooks up to the edges of the roof, there are no >> embedded/hidden clips as the E46 has. >> > > Never checked in the weather stripping for nipples. > > Clearly the E36 coupe lacks the flip-cover rack mount points that the > E46 coupe has. No recent exposure to an E36 sedan to look at its roof > to comment on their presence... > > > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:51:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > Sho-nuff!! The system works OK, but the one downside is the feet of the > Q-tower does touch the paint. The newer BMW's have a much better > integrated > rack attachment with hidden feet that hold the rack w/o touching the > paint. > Much better set-up. But not enough better to sway a car buying decision > to > a platform that has other less desireable attributes. > > Here is a pic of the rack set-up I used on my M5 when I had it: > > http://home.pacbell.net/dorenemc/M5Rack.html > > I do still have the same bike, btw.... > > Scott > > Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:36:33 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" > Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of bike racks > > On Thu, June 16, 2005 11:22 am, Scott McClung said: >> Does the coupe have the little nipples hidden inside the weatherstripping >> on the roof line like the sedan does? > > The sedan has nipplies?!? > > Cool. > > Jim Bassett - heading out to check right now.....on second thought, I'll > wait til I get to the privacy of my own garage. > > :-) > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#10. F/S: M Parallel Wheels with tires ! - from kwill69058@comcast.net
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 03:03:34 +0000 From: kwill69058@comcast.net Subject: F/S: M Parallel Wheels with tires ! Hi Guys ! I am selling a set of (4) M Parallel Wheels with P225/40/18 Continental Conti-Extreme Contact tires mounted and balanced. These have not been used and are in new condition. They will fit most 5 and 7 series. These will not fit the E36 series. See pictures attached. Go to: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...iExtremeContact Tire Rack sells the tires for $505.00 total The Wheels sell for $960.00 total Mounting and stems for $80.00 total Total Cost to me: $1545.00 Taking reasonable offers. I live in Maryland. You pay shipping otherwise. Email me if you are interested. kwill69058@comcast.net