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#1. Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? - from Carey Probst
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 08:19:53 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Actually the Profi II does have the ASM feature but also allows for a substrap.<br> <br> I plan to add a substrap to mine (sitting in toolbox waiting for the right seat) as soon as I can but primarily because Patroon Chapter won't allow 4 points in a DE, and they don't want to hear any facts from experts like Joe Marco because anecdotally someone, somewhere, was injured when then ASM did it's job but the person slid under on the secondary impact.<br> <br> Sounds like an urban legend to justify the rule since I can't seem to get any details like who, where, when....<br> <br> Carey (Hi Josh)<br> <br> Jim Bassett wrote: <blockquote cite="mid0507060107076A.03436@SVList.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 22:58:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jim@jimbassett.com"><jim@jimbassett.com></a> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? On Tue, July 5, 2005 10:37 pm, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:docwyte@comcast.net">docwyte@comcast.net</a> said: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">I do auto-x and DE's with the car, no "real" racing or wheel to wheel stuff. Do you guys think a sub strap is a good thing to get, or am I good with my current 4 point setup? (I do have a rollbar in the car...) </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> I'm not familiar with the Profi 2 version, but since it has the provision for a sub strap, I would assume that is does NOT have the ASM feature that the Rallye 3/4 belts have? If not, put the sub strap in, preferably before your next track event. You need some way to keep from submarining; the ASM feature of their street belts performs that function, as does the sub-belt on a set of competition harnesses. (*The* person to ask about Schroth and other safety-related items is Joe Marko at HMS Motorsport.) Jim Bassett - happy HMS customer 1998 M3/4 - formerly with Schroth Rallye 4 belts with ASM (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jimbassett.com/harness.htm">http://www.jimbassett.com/harness.htm</a>) 1993 325is #44 JP - Sparco competition harness (driver), AutoPower competition harness (passenger) ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bimmerworld.com">http://www.bimmerworld.com</a> Turner Motorsport <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.turnermotorsport.com">http://www.turnermotorsport.com</a> Eurosport High Performance <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com">http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com</a> Rogue Engineering <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rogueengineering.com">http://www.rogueengineering.com</a> Treehouse Racing <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.treehouseracing.com">http://www.treehouseracing.com</a> Elephant Motorsports Inc. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.elephantmotorsports.com">http://www.elephantmotorsports.com</a> DIGEST INFORMATION: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm">http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm</a> ************************************************* </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>
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#2. Re: I Stock Spring Rates - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 05:45:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I Stock Spring Rates I don't run these particular springs, nor have I ever, but 400-500 lb/in is way too soft for racing springs on an E36. I would think something in the range of 800-900 lb/in would be more appropriate depending on the anti-roll bars installed on the car. Shane K. '96 M3 '94 325i #76 ITS >Curious about what you've learned about the H&R Race >Springs. Is it that they're not competitive in I->Stock, or not a competitive spring at all? >The spring rates (supposedly in the 400-500lb range) >seem to be similar to what other track junkies run >with coilovers, but without the expense >involved. They superficially appear to be a decent >driver school choice from that perspective. >Any input, too, from anyone running these springs: >What other modifications were needed for >installation; the ride height drop is quite >significant? ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Floor jack recommendations - from Jay W. Hudson
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 06:04:25 -0700 From: "Jay W. Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Floor jack recommendations 1) You can get your existing jack rebuilt to be like new. 2) My Harbor Freight aluminum jack is taller than my steel floor jack so the car must be higher to get it underneath. If the car is just high enough to get the jack under the front, there isn't enough height to actually move the handle enough to jack the car. I think it's because the jack is shorter and the pivot point for the handle is farther under the car. And, it doesn't go as high as my other jack. So, the aluminum jack definitely has it's limitations. It serves it's purpose at the track and as a back-up for my very heavy steel jack. But, if it was my only floor jack, I'd have to consider one of the more expensive jacks that have a lower profile, longer reach and more useability. Jay ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 14:28:27 -0700 > From: "Steve Sharp" <steve.sharp@xilinx.com> > Subject: Floor jack recommendations > > I know this has probably been discussed before, but can anyone recommend > a decent quality aluminum floor jack that has enough reach to get under > a stock ride height M3 and lift it from the front crossmember or the > diff housing? > > I used to have a steel Sears model that would work, but its seals gave > up the ghost, so it's time to replace it. > > Thanks! > Steve >
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#4. RE: I Stock Spring Option - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:18:14 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: I Stock Spring Option Martin, I did some research on those springs. From the top of my head, the front springs are 325lbs and the rears are 525lbs (For comparison, their Sports and OE are 200lbs front and 375 rears). They are progressive springs. Don't get me wrong, they work great. But its more of aggressive street springs (and DE) than a competitive race springs. I prefer linear springs over the H&R Race springs (and possibly stiffer rates with no SO much of a drop). They do make Group N or G I believe (this is what you want for racing). I have not tested them back to back but my research were based on talking with Roland at H&R and a bunch of tuners. Regards, Ahmad -----Original Message----- From: carguy [mailto:carguymb@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:43 AM To: E36M3 Cc: m3_racer99@hotmail.com Subject: Re: I Stock Spring Option Ahmad, Curious about what you've learned about the H&R Race Springs. Is it that they're not competitive in I-Stock, or not a competitive spring at all? The spring rates (supposedly in the 400-500lb range) seem to be similar to what other track junkies run with coilovers, but without the expense involved. They superficially appear to be a decent driver school choice from that perspective. Any input, too, from anyone running these springs: What other modifications were needed for installation; the ride height drop is quite significant? TIA, Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:17 PM, E36M3 wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2005 12:28:40 -0400 > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: I Stock Spring Option > > > Folks, > > I have been toying with the idea of converting my 98 M3 into a BMW > Club Race > car (I Stock). I got rid of some of the mods which were not legal and > trying > to mod up the car to get up to par. > > Regarding springs, what are the typical spring rates some of you run? > I will > be sending out my Bilsteins to get revalved and am in search of springs > (stock type; no coilovers). Most people mentioned that the H&R Race > springs > are not competitive at all. Any other sources/rates etc? If someone > has a > set that they thought was too soft/hard and is sitting around > collecting > dust, I may be interested (Shoot me an email offline). Thanks in > advance. > > Ahmad
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#5. Sub Belt - from tim ng
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 10:04:48 -0400 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: Sub Belt Josh, let me say that if the belt has a provision for ANY sub belt, use it. thats what its designed for. (protectiing you when you CRASH) The only other thing I want to say is: when you hit a wall/tires/armco/roll over...... is it "REAL", just a thought of the day >>Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:27:35 +0000 >.From: docwyte@comcast.net >Subject: Importance of sub strap? >I do auto-x and DE's with the car, no "real" racing or wheel to wheel >stuff. Do >you guys think a sub strap is a good thing to get, or am I good with my >current >point setup? (I do have a rollbar in the car...) ..-josh Tim Ng 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. project car CAR FOR SALE 90 325ica 89 325i 90 535ia Chevy Avalanche 2500- 8.1L engine GAS HOG Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures
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#6. Re: Importance of sub strap? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 09:04:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Importance of sub strap? on 7/6/05 7:27 AM, docwyte@comcast.net wrote: > Ok, I've got a set of Schroth Profi 2 harnesses that I'm currently running as > a 4 point, just the lap and shoulder belts. They have the ability to add a > sub strap, either a 5 point or 6 point. > > I need to get a set of seats for the car anyways, and I'm debating between a > "normal" seat and one that has a hole cut out for a sub strap, which I'd then > add. > > I do auto-x and DE's with the car, no "real" racing or wheel to wheel stuff. > Do you guys think a sub strap is a good thing to get, or am I good with my > current 4 point setup? (I do have a rollbar in the car...) While the Schroth 4-point setup is very good for what it is (and I always appreciate it when DE students have them in their cars) 5/6-points are significantly more effective in holding you in place. I'd strongly recommend that you make provision for adding a sub-strap as long as you're getting new seats anyway, and especially because you already have a rollbar. It'd be hard to revisit that decision after the fact. Dual subs are more comfortable, and probably safer and more effective (because they can be tightened more without, err, anatomical conflicts), than the single version. on 7/6/05 7:27 AM, "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > I'm not familiar with the Profi 2 version, but since it has the provision > for a sub strap, I would assume that is does NOT have the ASM feature that > the Rallye 3/4 belts have? If not, put the sub strap in, preferably before > your next track event. I have some older 6-point Profi-III harnesses, and to my surprise they do have the ASM, so you never know. > (*The* person to ask about Schroth and other safety-related items is Joe > Marko at HMS Motorsport.) Absolutely. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#7. ATE Super Blue ... not available? - from Scott Spangenberg
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> Subject: ATE Super Blue ... not available? I was talking to my local parts guy last week. I wanted to see if he could get me ATE Super Blue brake fluid because it was recommended as a good street/track fluid. He looked, and supposedly it's not available to him ... because the blue color makes it not DOT approved?? Has anybody heard of this?? Also, he does sell "Pentosin Racing Brake Fluid" that is also German and (according to him) is the same formula as ATE Super Blue, but without the color. Can anybody confirm or deny this based on experience? The dry and wet boiling points seem to match the ATE advertised numbers. -Scott Spangenberg -95 Avus M3, Track and Summer car -98 Neon ACR, Autox and Winter car -88 Mustang, CP Autox car (2006, maybe!) -05 F150, Girlfriend's & parts go-getter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#8. Wheel/Dent/Scratch Fest? - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:15:54 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: Wheel/Dent/Scratch Fest? I'm thinking of holding another "fest".. the last one was a "Dent-Fest" - with Brian Romer, Paintless Dent Removal providing a discounted cash service for people who were interested. Since SWMBO has managed to get a few door-dents in the 5-Touring, I would like to see Brian again.. I have also contacted http://www.jsalloy.com/ - which is a place that does on-site wheel repairs - like on curb-rash. I've seen the results of this work at car dealers (saw before and after) - and they can make wheels look like brand new. Dunno exactly how they do it - and they do protect their process - ie - we can't watch them do it, but the results I've seen have been excellent. The same place also does paintless scratch repair... They have offered to do wheels for $85 each for painted wheels, $95 per machine finished. List prices for the services is $115-140 for painted, $150-175 for machine finished. ALL prices for this event would be CASH prices. They'd also provide the paintless scratch repair, price to be determined. Brian Romer was at our last dent-fest and his work speaks for itself. He heavily discounts his prices for our events, but final price is strictly up to him. He typically did charge $40-60 per dent, or in some cases gave a "panel" price (all dents in a certain panel..) There is no markup on the prices - all deals are between anyone who comes to the event and the person providing the service. I make nothing for doing this - but I might do an article for BMW-CCA Roundel on it if it if they have any interest. I haven't located a venue for the event, but I have a few in mind (we need garage space for Brian) - it will be someplace in NJ, probably central NJ. Date still to be finalized (have to check with the people providing the services) - but right now I'm thinking around July 30th (a Saturday) or July 31st (Sunday). If you have any interest - please let me know. If there is enough interest I'll start putting the wheels in motion to make it happen! There is no restriction on what brand/make/model of car you can bring.. Best, Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S
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#9. Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:43:32 -0500 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? what he is saying, is also what i have heard. IIRC it was decertified by DOT because, because 'people cant tell when its dirty'. I believe they stopped production some time ago Chris 97m3 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:04 -0500 >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> > >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> >Subject: ATE Super Blue ... not available? > >I was talking to my local parts guy last week. I >wanted to see if he could get me ATE Super Blue brake >fluid because it was recommended as a good >street/track fluid. He looked, and supposedly it's >not available to him ... because the blue color makes >it not DOT approved?? Has anybody heard of this?? >>-Scott Spangenberg >-95 Avus M3, Track and Summer car >-98 Neon ACR, Autox and Winter car >-88 Mustang, CP Autox car (2006, maybe!) >-05 F150, Girlfriend's & parts go-getter >
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#10. RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? - from Baysinger, Jeffrey S (Jeffrey)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:11 -0600 From: "Baysinger, Jeffrey S (Jeffrey)" <jbaysinger@avaya.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? I just talked to Jason at OG Racing (www.ogracing.com), and they still have a good stock of the Super Blue as well as the Type 200 Gold, and haven't heard anything about Ate stopping production on the fluid. He did say that the Super Blue was never DOT certified because of the blue color. DOT mandates that brake fluid be clear to amber in color, but no mention of why. The reason below would make sense. FWIW, Super Blue and Type 200 Gold are the same fluid but different colors. I alternate between them because it makes it really easy to see when all the old fluid is out when flushing the system. Type 200 Gold is DOT certified as it does meet the color specification. OG has the best price that I've found at around $10 per liter of the stuff. I've been buying it from them for about 5 years now. Local Porsche/Audi stealership wants $24 per liter. Ouch. - Jeff in CO www.generic-racing.com www.rmsolo.org -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bauer [mailto:chrisbauer@vzavenue.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:43:32 -0500 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? what he is saying, is also what i have heard. IIRC it was decertified by DOT because, because 'people cant tell when its dirty'. I believe they stopped production some time ago Chris 97m3 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:04 -0500 >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> > >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> >Subject: ATE Super Blue ... not available? > >I was talking to my local parts guy last week. I wanted to see if he >could get me ATE Super Blue brake fluid because it was recommended as a >good street/track fluid. He looked, and supposedly it's not available >to him ... because the blue color makes it not DOT approved?? Has >anybody heard of this?? >>-Scott Spangenberg >-95 Avus M3, Track and Summer car >-98 Neon ACR, Autox and Winter car >-88 Mustang, CP Autox car (2006, maybe!) >-05 F150, Girlfriend's & parts go-getter > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? On Tue, July 5, 2005 11:07 pm, Jim Bassett said: > I'm not familiar with the Profi 2 version, but since it has the provision > for a sub strap, I would assume that is does NOT have the ASM feature that > the Rallye 3/4 belts have? Well, learn something new every day :-) Josh emailed me directly that his harness did have the ASM feature (as others mentioned on the list). And looking at the HMS Motorsport web, I'll be damned, you can get the Profi 2 in a couple of different versions. I sit corrected :-) I always was a fan of the Schroth harnesses. Hopefullly I'll be better prepared when the race car next needs harnesses (i.e. not needing them for a race in 2 days <g>), and I'll give them a look. Jim Bassett