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#1. Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? - from Carey Probst
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:50:11 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? There are several web sources for the ATE blue or gold but I have never seen on the shelf. Bavarian Auto, HMS Motorsports to name a couple. Carey Scott Spangenberg wrote: >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> >Subject: ATE Super Blue ... not available? > >I was talking to my local parts guy last week. I >wanted to see if he could get me ATE Super Blue brake >fluid because it was recommended as a good >street/track fluid. He looked, and supposedly it's >not available to him ... because the blue color makes >it not DOT approved?? Has anybody heard of this?? > >Also, he does sell "Pentosin Racing Brake Fluid" that >is also German and (according to him) is the same >formula as ATE Super Blue, but without the color. Can >anybody confirm or deny this based on experience? The >dry and wet boiling points seem to match the ATE >advertised numbers. > > > > > >-Scott Spangenberg >-95 Avus M3, Track and Summer car >-98 Neon ACR, Autox and Winter car >-88 Mustang, CP Autox car (2006, maybe!) >-05 F150, Girlfriend's & parts go-getter > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* > > > > >
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Floor jack recommendations - from Steve Sharp
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:10:13 -0700 From: "Steve Sharp" <steve.sharp@xilinx.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Floor jack recommendations Good point, Patrick. I used to use my steel jack at all sorts of bizarre angles, so maybe I'll look into a good steel unit. This one won't be leaving my garage, so weight isn't a big factor. -Steve ________________________________ From: Patrick Goss - PA [mailto:Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:57 AM To: steve.sharp; E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] Floor jack recommendations [snip] Also with aluminum floor jacks consider they can bend if an unexperienced person decides to insert the jack at an angle other than perpindicular to vehicle. AC makes a decent steel duty jack that will withstand an earthquake, but its more coin and hella heavy. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: I Stock Spring Rates - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:37 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: I Stock Spring Rates On Jul 6, 2005, at 6:07 AM, Shane Kleinpeter wrote: > I don't run these particular springs, nor have I ever, > but 400-500 lb/in is way too soft for racing springs > on an E36. I would think something in the range of > 800-900 lb/in would be more appropriate depending on > the anti-roll bars installed on the car. I have to agree, but this is probably THE biggest religious debate in Club Racing. Half the racers will tell you that stiffer is faster and half will tell you that, after literally weeks of extensive testing using double-blind spring sets, micro-tuned shock absorbers, and extra crunchy breakfast cereal, that softer is faster. What is universally agreed upon is that softer cars are easier to drive. That may tell you all you need to know right there. - Mark, STIFF suspension on the race car ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#4. Speed Bleeder specs? - from Steve Klein
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:24:12 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Speed Bleeder specs? http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ I'd saved this link that appeared a while ago, but I'm wondering if anyone knows which specs (size/pitch) are appropriate for our cars ('95 M3). Thanks, Steve
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#5. [PRIVATE] Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:24:35 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: [PRIVATE] Re: [E36M3] Importance of sub strap? on 7/6/05 11:37 AM, Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > Sounds like an urban legend to justify the rule since I can't seem to > get any details like who, where, when....<br> Carey, You'll see why I'm sending this privately rather than posting it to the List, but here's a message from the Tech Impound List (by and for SCCA tech inspectors) that I'm on which touches on the 4-point issue, although the real question under discussion here is helmet fit. It's not absolutely clear what type of 4-point was involved. Depending on the speed of impact into a hard wall I'm not sure that the 4-point harness performance was unacceptable, and the message doesn't accuse it of such. I find 4-point Schroth harnesses pretty effective as long as you really cinch down the lap belt and don't allow the shoulder harnesses to pull them up. Helps if you have a bit of belly above the lap belts; might be different for a skinny girlfriend (see below). At the school I organize each spring we allow Schroths with ASM, not other 4-points. But I like my full boat 3" 6-points best. Neil ------ Forwarded Message From: <****@earthlink.net> Reply-To: <Tech_Impound@***.com> Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 23:40:05 -0700 To: <Tech_Impound@***.com> Subject: [Tech_Impound] Fw: [PDC] Another bad HPDE crash. Keep this in mind when inspecting HPDE cars Remember 4pt harness without ASM are NOT allowed. I dont know how to address the issue of helmets not fitting. for HPDE But how about inspection of racers helmets for fit.... Should this be done ???? What would be the guidelines for a correct fit ? Discussion please ///// -Larry > None of this is official and is collect from a lot of sources from both > events. This didn't happen w/ speedventures at the big track but happened > on the other track (streets of willow). > > So the story goes.. > > This afternoon an STI served on the front straight to avoid someone's fender > liner, lost control and spun head on into a cinderblock retaining wall. > Completely destroying the front end of the car and the retaining wall. > Driver and passenger had 4 pt harness with that common attach to the back > seatbelt method of installation. The driver contacted his aftermarket, > airbagless steering wheel and the passenger (girlfriend or wife depending on > story) submarined under the belts and ended up in the footwell unconscious > with her helmet spun around on her head (too big?). Both parties were > unconscious to the first on scene with the driver coming to much sooner than > the passenger. Both were airlifted out. I'm not sure on their condition tho > they were awake and conscious and stable when they left. ------ End Forwarded Message
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#6. RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:27:52 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? My previous vehicle passed state inspection a number of years with ATE in it. AFAIK the blue (color) had only 2 purposes, 1) easier to see when dirty/contaminated/old, and 2) leaked. -----Original Message----- From: Baysinger, Jeffrey S (Jeffrey) [mailto:jbaysinger@avaya.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:11 -0600 From: "Baysinger, Jeffrey S (Jeffrey)" <jbaysinger@avaya.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? I just talked to Jason at OG Racing (www.ogracing.com), and they still have a good stock of the Super Blue as well as the Type 200 Gold, and haven't heard anything about Ate stopping production on the fluid. He did say that the Super Blue was never DOT certified because of the blue color. DOT mandates that brake fluid be clear to amber in color, but no mention of why. The reason below would make sense. FWIW, Super Blue and Type 200 Gold are the same fluid but different colors. I alternate between them because it makes it really easy to see when all the old fluid is out when flushing the system. Type 200 Gold is DOT certified as it does meet the color specification. OG has the best price that I've found at around $10 per liter of the stuff. I've been buying it from them for about 5 years now. Local Porsche/Audi stealership wants $24 per liter. Ouch. - Jeff in CO www.generic-racing.com www.rmsolo.org -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bauer [mailto:chrisbauer@vzavenue.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:57 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:43:32 -0500 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] ATE Super Blue ... not available? what he is saying, is also what i have heard. IIRC it was decertified by DOT because, because 'people cant tell when its dirty'. I believe they stopped production some time ago Chris 97m3 ---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:17:04 -0500 >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> > >Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) >From: Scott Spangenberg <cpmustang2001@yahoo.com> >Subject: ATE Super Blue ... not available? > >I was talking to my local parts guy last week. I wanted to see if he >could get me ATE Super Blue brake fluid because it was recommended as a >good street/track fluid. He looked, and supposedly it's not available >to him ... because the blue color makes it not DOT approved?? Has >anybody heard of this?? >>-Scott Spangenberg >-95 Avus M3, Track and Summer car >-98 Neon ACR, Autox and Winter car >-88 Mustang, CP Autox car (2006, maybe!) >-05 F150, Girlfriend's & parts go-getter > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Speed Bleeder specs? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:36:31 -0400 From: Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Speed Bleeder specs? Hmmm, that website states the SB700 is the correct part number for 75-98 bmw, although that doesn't answer your question. I have used Russel speedbleeders with good results on my 75 530I before with excellent results. They can be had from summitracing.com My guess is it's the same pitch and thread. That car took 8 instead of the normal 4. I am still amazed they used 2 piston calipers on the front of that car in 75, some first 5ers said they were the same used on ferrari. Summit was very good about getting me the correct ones when I called. They had a book to look it up IIRC. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Klein [mailto:klein@robinsonad.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Speed Bleeder specs? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:24:12 -0500 From: Steve Klein <klein@robinsonad.com> Subject: Speed Bleeder specs? http://speedbleeder.zoovy.com/ I'd saved this link that appeared a while ago, but I'm wondering if anyone knows which specs (size/pitch) are appropriate for our cars ('95 M3). Thanks, Steve ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#8. Re: Idiocy (mine) - from Neil Maller
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 12:42:49 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Idiocy (mine) OK, so don't anyone else point out that I'm maroon baboon and don't know how use my email software. ;-) There really wasn't anything especially contentious involved. I just didn't want to spark one of "those" threads, and having failed in that... Neil 96 M3
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#9. Lowering versus toe alignment - from Rex Tener
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Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:16:28 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Lowering versus toe alignment I searched the archives, but I couldn't seem to find the answer. As I lower the front of the car the front wheels toe in or out? As I lower the rear of the car the rear wheels toe in or out? Along that line of questioning anyone have an idea of what the motion ratios are for ride height versus toe for front and rear? Thanks, -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1996 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo STU #73
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Lowering versus toe alignment - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 13:01:34 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Lowering versus toe alignment I know the suspension geometry of the E36 causes toe-out under squat in the rear, so I'd have to say lowering the rear of the car moves toe outward. Based on the strut arrangement up front, I'd guess it'll tend toward toe-in. I have no direct E36 experience for the front, but I know my p-car strut based suspension toed-in a whole bunch when I lowered it. Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Rex Tener [mailto:rex_tener@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 12:27 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Lowering versus toe alignment Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 11:16:28 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Lowering versus toe alignment I searched the archives, but I couldn't seem to find the answer. As I lower the front of the car the front wheels toe in or out? As I lower the rear of the car the rear wheels toe in or out? Along that line of questioning anyone have an idea of what the motion ratios are for ride height versus toe for front and rear? Thanks, -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com 1996 BMW M3, SCCA SFR Solo STU #73 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] Re: I Stock Spring Option - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: I Stock Spring Option On Wed, July 6, 2005 5:17 am, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com said: > If I were to build an I-stock/H-stock car I would go with the Turner > Motorsport package. > They have custom springs with probably some ungodly spring rate 120N F, 140N R on the Group N kit that's on the 325is. That's 685lb F, 800lb R. > and a set > of matching custom > valved Bilsteins (probably shortened also, my guess). Yep (you should have seen me trying to figure out how to get a stock set of F struts on the car when I pulled the Bilstein's for rebuilding :-)) > If I went with the Turner suspension I'd probably give up driving the car > on the street. Wuss :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP - Turner Group N suspension, driven to/from the track