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#1. Re: [E36M3] Headlight Question - from Boen168@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:28:34 EDT From: Boen168@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headlight Question I have Hella Elipsoids on the 325is and ZKW Free Form Technology on the M3...prices are about the same if I remember correctly, just depends on the source. Both work great and certainly major improvements over stock. I'd say you can't go wrong going with either. Regards, David In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:37:47 AM Pacific Standard Time, e36m3@bmw-m.net writes: Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Headlight Question I know, here we go again. Anyway, my car was hit a couple of weeks ago. The headlight was broken (depo) and I now need to replace them. I want to go with ZKW or Hella. The question is; which? Assume the pricing is the same. Kent
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#2. RE: Headlight Question - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 10:55:47 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Headlight Question Kent asked: >I know, here we go again. > >Anyway, my car was hit a couple of weeks ago. >The headlight was broken (depo) and I now need to replace them. >I want to go with ZKW or Hella. > >The question is; which? >Assume the pricing is the same. > >Kent Assuming the same price - if you can get them - the H7 Hella lights appear to put out more uniform light below the horizontal cutoff than the ZKWs do. The H7 Hellas are not widely available, I believe Matt at Umnitza can get them for you - but cost will be more than the ZKWs. I thought I had a source for them in Canada - but the place hasn't answered any email. The Hella H7 lights (these were the last design BMW used in the E36 series in Yurop..) are reflector design for both high and low - they don't use a projector low beam design like the ZKW. Daniel Stern provided me with a number of photographs of the light output of the Hella vs ZKW side by side, and the difference in uniform brightness was quite evident, the Hella also appeared to have a wider spread below the beam, but without measuring them - I can't say this for sure. Daniel may be able to get them for you.. but they will be rather expensive. His email address is: dastern@torque.net you can feel free to use my name.. Best, _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Headlight Question - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 11:00:30 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Headlight Question At 09:36 AM 7/8/2005, you wrote: >yea, dangerous subject :) > >FWIW, I got Hella over ZKW when I upgraded as the Hellas utilise a >little better technology (so i was told). The Hellas I got use complex >surface/secondary lenses with H7 bulbs as opposed to the H1s in ZKW >ellipsoids. They were a bit more expensive and seem more difficult to >locate. Indeed. Where did you locate them? >I am delighted with the improvement over stock and I'm sure the ZKWs are >fine too. >If the price is the same I'd get Hella. They look pretty cool too. Exactly my advice. >I'm looking forward to Don's article in next month's Roundel too; I >thought the last one was well done and informative. Maybe he'll pipe up >and give you an answer based on what he found. If so, you can safely >ignore my suggestion. Same answer. If you have time to write an email to Satch (satch@satch.us) telling him you liked the article that would be a GOOD THING - I have a few more article ideas involving the M3 that I'm thinking of pitching to them.. and he asked that I refer anyone commenting on the article back to him. You wouldn't happen to get to NJ once in a while would you? I'd love to do a pattern on your lights (sounds like sorta a sleazy come-on doesn't it..?) >marty Best, _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#4. RE: Headlight Question - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: RE: Headlight Question Hi, It turns out that the Hellas I could get have the projector low beam and the FF high beam. Anyway, I went with ZKW from Apexcone. (Best Price I could find by far.) I got the angel eyes. I'll upgrade them to HID when I get them since I already have the HID setup in the previous lights. Kent > > Assuming the same price - if you can get them - the H7 Hella > lights appear to put out more uniform light below the horizontal > cutoff than the ZKWs do. The H7 Hellas are not widely available, > I believe Matt at Umnitza can get them for you - but cost will > be more than the ZKWs. I thought I had a source for them in > Canada - but the place hasn't answered any email. > > The Hella H7 lights (these were the last design BMW used > in the E36 series in Yurop..) are reflector design for > both high and low - they don't use a projector low beam > design like the ZKW. > > Daniel Stern provided me with a number of photographs of the > light output of the Hella vs ZKW side by side, and the > difference in uniform brightness was quite evident, the > Hella also appeared to have a wider spread below the beam, > but without measuring them - I can't say this for sure. > > Daniel may be able to get them for you.. but they will > be rather expensive. His email address is: dastern@torque.net > you can feel free to use my name.. > > Best, >
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#5. RE: Headlight Question - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:18:28 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Headlight Question At 01:27 PM 7/8/2005, Kent L. Shephard wrote: >Hi, > >It turns out that the Hellas I could get have the projector low beam and >the FF high beam. Ummm hmmm.. these weren't the "final design" - they were a bit earlier and much like the ZKW's if I'm not mistaken. >Anyway, I went with ZKW from Apexcone. (Best Price I could find by far.) >I got the angel eyes. > >I'll upgrade them to HID when I get them since I already have the HID >setup in the previous lights. Sounds like a plan. Just a FWIW - in doing the 2nd article, I found one regular halogen bulb that had equal *peak* light intensity as a 6000k HID setup in the ZKW housing. It's a euro only bulb (bummer) but it can be ordered very easily from Powerbulbs (whoopie!) in the UK. It is the Osram SilverStar (not the POS they sell here..) It really IS 50% brighter than a standard Osram bulb. Overall the HID still puts out more light, but the SilverStar looks like a very useable lower cost alternative for people who want more light but not the hassle/expense of an HID setup . >Kent Best, _______D_o_n__________S_p_r_i_n_g__L_a_k_e__H_t_s____________©1946________ Don Eilenberger, Spring Lk Hts, NJ - http://www.njsbmwr.org/ '98 M3c/5, '03 525iT, '87 K75S
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#6. Group G or PPG Stock Springs? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:17:47 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Group G or PPG Stock Springs? Anyone on the list with a set of PPG or H&R Group G springs (all four corners or if you have just the fronts, that would be fine too) sitting around collecting dust? I am interested. Email me privately. Ahmad
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#7. Re: [E36M3] RE: Headlight Question - from Greg Cagle
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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 13:13:17 -0700 From: Greg Cagle <gregc@gregcagle.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Headlight Question Don Eilenberger wrote: > > Just a FWIW - in doing the 2nd article, I found one regular halogen > bulb that had equal *peak* light intensity as a 6000k HID setup in > the ZKW housing. > > It's a euro only bulb (bummer) but it can be ordered very > easily from Powerbulbs (whoopie!) in the UK. It is the > Osram SilverStar (not the POS they sell here..) It really > IS 50% brighter than a standard Osram bulb. > > Overall the HID still puts out more light, but the SilverStar > looks like a very useable lower cost alternative for people > who want more light but not the hassle/expense of an HID setup . Oddly enough, this is the exact setup I've ended up with after much dorking around 8^). - Greg -- Greg Cagle gregc at gregcagle dot com
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: Headlight Question - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Headlight Question > Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 14:18:28 -0400 > From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> > Subject: RE: Headlight Question > > At 01:27 PM 7/8/2005, Kent L. Shephard wrote: > >>Hi, >> >>It turns out that the Hellas I could get have the projector low beam and >>the FF high beam. > > Ummm hmmm.. these weren't the "final design" - they were a bit > earlier and much like the ZKW's if I'm not mistaken. Yep, I guess that's why they cost less than the all FF. Older design = less money. (In most cases.) > >>Anyway, I went with ZKW from Apexcone. (Best Price I could find by far.) >>I got the angel eyes. >> >>I'll upgrade them to HID when I get them since I already have the HID >>setup in the previous lights. > > Sounds like a plan. > > Just a FWIW - in doing the 2nd article, I found one regular halogen > bulb that had equal *peak* light intensity as a 6000k HID setup in > the ZKW housing. The 6000k HID setup throws off too much blue and is less bright than the 4500k or 5000k setups. I don't like the "pimp'n blue" lights. I have a 4500k/5000k setup (dont remember which one) that is pure white with almost no blue. Can't wait to get my car back; it will be a month next week. The body shop does great work though. Kent
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#9. Re: [E36M3] Oil gauges, coolers, temps - from Chris Turrisi
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Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 19:45:29 -0400 From: Chris Turrisi <cturrisi@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil gauges, coolers, temps Geoff, I have a 300*F Autometer gauge on my race car with an aftermarket oil cooler, using the Euro housing and AN fittings/lines, which is also mounted behind the electric fan (so the fan blows on it, if needed) and I have seen temps as high as 260*F with the cooler and Zionsville's aluminum radiator. This was during the club race at Lime Rock with 90+ temps and racing close in traffic. Hope this helps, Chris Turrisi At 09:47 AM 7/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 10:43:54 -0400 >From: "geoff atkinson" <pskalc@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] Oil gauges, coolers, temps > >Jim, >Thank you so much for that temperature information. >I will certainly be adding a cooler so I'm not sure, in that situation, if >a 300 degree would be necessary, as Carlos hinted... Thank you for that >info too, BTW. >Can anyone confirm temps with a cooler? >If not, then I will go with the higher reading. >Thanks again. >-Geoff Atkinson > > >>You're going to need a 300 deg. gauge. 250 deg with be normal-ish <g>; I >>see that on a regular basis on the race car, no oil cooler. >> >>Jim Bassett > > > > >************************************************* >Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > >Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > >DIGEST INFORMATION: >http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >************************************************* >
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#10. MT Fluid in M3 Trans? - from Jamie Howton
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:49:42 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: MT Fluid in M3 Trans? Is there any reason why not to use Manual Transmission fluid in an E36 M3 5 Spd transmission instead of the D4 ATF that Is recomended by BMW? My car sees mostly track duty now and my half baked theory is that maybe since MT oil is thicker than ATF it will do a better job at making the synchros last??? Am I totally off base here? Are there any downsides beside the fact that it might be more difficult to shift? Thanks -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL