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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts On Thu, July 28, 2005 11:39 am, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com said: > Well.... as I recall (back in the ole days) <spit>, > that piece was designed using ole Jim 'Adios Mofos' Powell's Katerina > as the model. Katerina is a 4dr. <spit> Ahh, you're right. Forgot about that. And, umm, what's with all the expectorating? :-) Jim Bassett
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#2. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from David Ngo
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:48:48 -0700 (PDT) From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts Porkchops are definitely different between sedan and coupe (as Chester and I discovered to our surprise.) Dave --- Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > Although, except for the undertray itself, the rest > of the parts are > identical AFAIK ("porkchop" corner pieces, etc.)
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#3. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts They sure are. The sedan pieces are like the coupe ones except that it's the layer of plastic underneath...so the sedan one is more flat. Must be the poor aerodynamics of the sedan just made the Bavarian engineers just throw up their hands and say, "Aw...screw it." :) --- David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts > > Porkchops are definitely different between sedan and > coupe (as Chester and I discovered to our surprise.) > > Dave
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#4. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:03:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts > They sure are. Not to be argumentative (yeah, right :-)), but can you supply part numbers? 'Cause what I've seen, they are the same part number, going back to the '95 M3 coupe. Wondering, Jim Bassett
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Mel Silva
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:05:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Mel Silva <melsilva@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts You are kidding, right? According to my research and Jim "Adios Mofo" Powell the sedan aerodynamics are BETTER than the coupe. But you'd have to argue that point with him (Good luck with that). BTW, I have the coupe chops along with the undertray and mesh grill on my sedan. Mel -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Sent: Jul 28, 2005 2:59 PM To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts They sure are. The sedan pieces are like the coupe ones except that it's the layer of plastic underneath...so the sedan one is more flat. Must be the poor aerodynamics of the sedan just made the Bavarian engineers just throw up their hands and say, "Aw...screw it." :) --- David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:48:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: David Ngo <rudngo@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts > > Porkchops are definitely different between sedan and > coupe (as Chester and I discovered to our surprise.) > > Dave ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:09:00 -0700 From: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts On 7/28/05, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > They sure are. The sedan pieces are like the coupe ones except that it's the > layer of plastic underneath...so the sedan one is more flat. Must be the poor > aerodynamics of the sedan just made the Bavarian engineers just throw up their > hands and say, "Aw...screw it." :) It couldn't be that bad as the sedan is more aerodynamically efficient than the coupe- CoD being .33 for the coupe and .32 for the sedan. Drive Safely, Raza bought his M3/4 solely on an aerodynamic basis... ;)
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#7. RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from jmihal@jt-designs.com
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: <jmihal@jt-designs.com> Subject: RE: bumper undertray replacement parts Good memory Carlos, Carlos wrote: > Well.... as I recall (back in the ole days) <spit>, > that piece was designed using ole Jim 'Adios Mofos' Powell's Katerina as > the model. Katerina is a 4dr. <spit> Katrina (sp?) was the first to have our under panel (JTD 907) installed on her, and Thanks to Jim Powell, the birth of another product was inspired! To date, we have sucessfully installed our under panels on All US E36 models, including ti's, 325's, M3's, 2 doors, 4 doors, automatics, etc. If you are using a euro oil cooler, our center deflector will need modification. As always, if you don't like the fit return for full refund. Our brake cooling kit was designed specifically for the E36 M3 and fits 2 and 4 drs. To date I don't know if the Brake Duct Kit (JTD 908) has been installed on any other models. I hope this info helps. Best Regards, Jim Mihal M5 Powered Desert Racer www.bmwoffroad.com 2500 HD '75 2002
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#8. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts The pork chops on the sedan (at least Dave's frankenstein) appear to be: 51711977117 51711977118 The pork chops on the coupe (at least on my car) are: 51712250641 51712250642 If you look under the front bumper trim, you'll see that the M technic part is not listed for use with the sedan. You are free to hate all you want now. >o) Jim, never question the 'Ru ....short for Guru. ROTFLMAO! Chester 'Ru --- Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > > They sure are. > > Not to be argumentative (yeah, right :-)), but can you supply part > numbers? 'Cause what I've seen, they are the same part number, going back > to the '95 M3 coupe. > > Wondering, > Jim Bassett
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts Coefficient of drag numbers mean squat diddly. You have to also take into account the total cross section, etc, etc. =P Chester --- Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> wrote: > It couldn't be that bad as the sedan is more aerodynamically efficient > than the coupe- CoD being .33 for the coupe and .32 for the sedan.
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#10. Re: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts - from cteague@cox.net
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:14:51 -0400 From: <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts Jim, I have a sedan, and when I try to buy the pork chops from the dealer, they always give me the coupe ones. At first, I had to bring my old ones in. Now I just tell them I have a 328 4 door, not the M3, and I get the right ones. Someone gave me a set of coupe ones, so I have both at home right now. I could look at the numbers tonight. But the sedan ones are flat plastic with a 2" or so lip spoiler on the rear edge. The coupe ones are a double layer plastic with curved shape, and no lip spoiler on the rear, since the double layer builds up to the same height. Chris 97 M3/4 > Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:03:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: bumper undertray replacement parts > > > They sure are. > > Not to be argumentative (yeah, right :-)), but can you supply part > numbers? 'Cause what I've seen, they are the same part number, going back > to the '95 M3 coupe.\
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#11. re:SoCAL - OC Area 91+ octane fuel station - from David Flanary
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Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 12:14:59 -0700 From: "David Flanary" <dflanary@markhamvineyards.com> Subject: re:SoCAL - OC Area 91+ octane fuel station When sharked, our cars do not run very well on the crummy California-mandated 91 octane fuels. I also notice this in the summertime. In past years, I have removed the shark software in the summer. A few years ago, the rules changed and premium went from 92 to 91 octane. This had a real effect on how my car ran. I contacted Josh at Eurosport, who told me that the pinging was simply because the lower than normal octane rating of California -based fuel. You can Google Unocal and find whether they have racing gas in your area. This year, I drive under very light throttle loads (and this is NO FUN in an ///M3), or buy booster from the local auto parts store. Another solution is to add Toluene to your gas. HTH, David W. Flanary 99 Estoril ///M3