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#1. Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:19:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil I don't have an answer to your question, but I use their SUV formula in the Elise. Haha! Aren't those cars completely opposite in every way, shape and form? :) My guess is they didn't really move a lot of 15-50 and if they did, it went into trucks or leaky engines...not really thinking of race cars or extreme use conditions. So make it extended life. Blah, blah, blah. Does it now meet BMW's long service interval spec? Chester ^^^^^^^hasn't bought 15-50 in a long time --- mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > I'm a Mobil 1 user...it works well for me. Has anyone noticed that the > 15W50 grade only seems to come in the Extended Life formula lately, which > costs about $4.00 more for the 5gal. container?! I've checked my Wal-Marts, > and Advanced AutoParts stores, same thing.
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#2. RE: [E36M3] speaking of oil - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:21:51 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of oil Hey Bob, I've heard some using the 15-50, why aren't you using the 0-40 european car forumula? I realize it is harder to find. I may make the switch to the thicker 15-50 since I burn a lil, but am hesitant with gas prices being as they are. Saw $2.98 this morning and almost crapped myself. Patrick (not Motorweek) Goss 97 M3/4 with now frozen front tie rod adjust, yeah my alignment is shot -----Original Message----- From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 4:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] speaking of oil Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:05:20 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: speaking of oil I'm a Mobil 1 user...it works well for me. Has anyone noticed that the 15W50 grade only seems to come in the Extended Life formula lately, which costs about $4.00 more for the 5gal. container?! I've checked my Wal-Marts, and Advanced AutoParts stores, same thing. Is this Mobil's way to extract more money from me? Inquiring minds want to know. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA #13 BSP ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#3. Power Steering Noise - from Robert Exconde - 99e36m3
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:25:06 -0500 From: "Robert Exconde - 99e36m3" <99e36m3@Exconde.com> Subject: Power Steering Noise Not having experienced this but have heard at the grocery store ... I just assumed it was a old car. . . . What is the squeeling noise when I turn the wheel to lock? The steering seems fine, but when it goes to lock it squeals, which is quite annoying and embarassing. I had the fluids changed last year, so it should be fine. rE 99E36M3 124K
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#4. Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil - from Jason Knight
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil The price of oil being higher in general would affect not only the prices at the pump (just paid $3.07), but oil, and tire prices as well. My tire guy talks about the prices going up with the cost of oil. Jason --- mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:05:20 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: speaking of oil > > I'm a Mobil 1 user...it works well for me. Has > anyone noticed that the 15W50 grade only seems to > come in the Extended Life formula lately, which > costs about $4.00 more for the 5gal. container?! > I've checked my Wal-Marts, and Advanced AutoParts > stores, same thing. > > Is this Mobil's way to extract more money from me? > Inquiring minds want to know. > > TIA, > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > #13 BSP > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#5. RE: [E36M3] speaking of oil - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:22:53 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of oil Don't forget demand, distribution channels and political apathy either :) Patrick Not going there P.S. I paid $6.29 a quart for Mobil one 0w-40 in Jan, and $5.78 in July, (both times at napa since they are one of the few places still carrying this in my area). I wouldn't necessarily agree this effects motor oil prices, although the second purchase was picked up by my significant other, so maybe the (.)(.) factor skewed the price comparison a bit.... -----Original Message----- From: Jason Knight [mailto:knight2244@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil The price of oil being higher in general would affect not only the prices at the pump (just paid $3.07), but oil, and tire prices as well. My tire guy talks about the prices going up with the cost of oil. Jason --- mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:05:20 -0400 > From: mdriver13@aol.com > Subject: speaking of oil > > I'm a Mobil 1 user...it works well for me. Has > anyone noticed that the 15W50 grade only seems to > come in the Extended Life formula lately, which > costs about $4.00 more for the 5gal. container?! > I've checked my Wal-Marts, and Advanced AutoParts > stores, same thing. > > Is this Mobil's way to extract more money from me? > Inquiring minds want to know. > > TIA, > > Bob Gill > 97 ///M3 coupe > Philly Region SCCA > #13 BSP > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil - from Carey Probst
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:41:52 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Guess the 10 5 qt. bottles I picked up last summer in New Hampshire (no sales tax) while there on business was not an expense but an investment. I paid $16.xx on sale and bought out the store on both 5 qt and 1 qt 15w50.<br> <br> Carey<br> <br> Patrick Goss - PA wrote: <blockquote cite="mid0508181630202B.00660@SVList.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:22:53 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM"><Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM></a> Subject: RE: [E36M3] speaking of oil Don't forget demand, distribution channels and political apathy either :) Patrick Not going there P.S. I paid $6.29 a quart for Mobil one 0w-40 in Jan, and $5.78 in July, (both times at napa since they are one of the few places still carrying this in my area). I wouldn't necessarily agree this effects motor oil prices, although the second purchase was picked up by my significant other, so maybe the (.)(.) factor skewed the price comparison a bit.... -----Original Message----- From: Jason Knight [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:knight2244@yahoo.com">mailto:knight2244@yahoo.com</a>] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 5:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:knight2244@yahoo.com"><knight2244@yahoo.com></a> Subject: Re: [E36M3] speaking of oil The price of oil being higher in general would affect not only the prices at the pump (just paid $3.07), but oil, and tire prices as well. My tire guy talks about the prices going up with the cost of oil. Jason --- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mdriver13@aol.com">mdriver13@aol.com</a> wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:05:20 -0400 From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mdriver13@aol.com">mdriver13@aol.com</a> Subject: speaking of oil I'm a Mobil 1 user...it works well for me. Has anyone noticed that the 15W50 grade only seems to come in the Extended Life formula lately, which costs about $4.00 more for the 5gal. container?! I've checked my Wal-Marts, and Advanced AutoParts stores, same thing. Is this Mobil's way to extract more money from me? Inquiring minds want to know. TIA, Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA #13 BSP ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bimmerworld.com">http://www.bimmerworld.com</a> Turner Motorsport <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.turnermotorsport.com">http://www.turnermotorsport.com</a> Eurosport High Performance <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com">http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com</a> Rogue Engineering <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rogueengineering.com">http://www.rogueengineering.com</a> Treehouse Racing <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.treehouseracing.com">http://www.treehouseracing.com</a> Elephant Motorsports Inc. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.elephantmotorsports.com">http://www.elephantmotorsports.com</a> DIGEST INFORMATION: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm">http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm</a> ************************************************* </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bimmerworld.com">http://www.bimmerworld.com</a> Turner Motorsport <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.turnermotorsport.com">http://www.turnermotorsport.com</a> Eurosport High Performance <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com">http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com</a> Rogue Engineering <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rogueengineering.com">http://www.rogueengineering.com</a> Treehouse Racing <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.treehouseracing.com">http://www.treehouseracing.com</a> Elephant Motorsports Inc. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.elephantmotorsports.com">http://www.elephantmotorsports.com</a> DIGEST INFORMATION: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm">http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm</a> ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bimmerworld.com">http://www.bimmerworld.com</a> Turner Motorsport <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.turnermotorsport.com">http://www.turnermotorsport.com</a> Eurosport High Performance <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com">http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com</a> Rogue Engineering <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rogueengineering.com">http://www.rogueengineering.com</a> Treehouse Racing <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.treehouseracing.com">http://www.treehouseracing.com</a> Elephant Motorsports Inc. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.elephantmotorsports.com">http://www.elephantmotorsports.com</a> DIGEST INFORMATION: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm">http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm</a> ************************************************* </pre> </blockquote> </body> </html>
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#7. Re: anyone using this? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:53:47 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: anyone using this? on 8/18/05 1:10 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm not sure what the whole sales pitch is with that particular product. They > talk about accuracy of oil temp and how by measuring from the sump, it gives > you a better idea of the oil temp that is lubricating the engine and how the > oil gets hotter from the pump, etc. So how does the engine get lubricated? > From the sloshing oil in the pan? No...from the oil after the oil pump. Does > their claim make sense to anyone?? It's kind of a moot point, since this adapter doesn't fit the US spec E36 engine anyway. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#8. FS: 95 BMW E36 M3 track car - from Adam Fila
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 16:58:34 -0500 From: Adam Fila <adam.fila@gmail.com> Subject: FS: 95 BMW E36 M3 track car With great sadness, the time has come to part with my E36 M3 that I have owned for over 7 years. The car is modified to some extent for track safety and weight reduction (see below for list), but is otherwise mostly stock (engine/suspension). It would probably be an ideal school/track-car for someone, or perhaps a good starting point to a club racer (my never realized plan). It could also be converted back to street use rather inexpensively. Please feel free to forward this to anyone you know who might be interested. Car is located in Chicago, and you can contact me at (312) 497-9718 There are pictures at: http://photos.yahoo.com/ylph I can send more high-res ones upon request. The basics: 1995 BMW E36 M3, White 76,809 miles 2 door, 5 speed, 3.0L I6 engine, sunroof black interior garaged all its life - in excellent shape (I am 2nd owner) Mods: TC Kline bolt-in rollbar (w/camera mount) 2 front Recaro SRD seats (original vader seats in excellent shape included) 2 front 6 point OMP harnesses weight reduction - tar insulation removed, lots of trunk/rear interior pieces also removed, radio/cd-changer/amp/rear speakers removed (all included) - all wiring is intact however. 4 BBS RK 17x8 wheels with fairly fresh Yokohama AVS Sports (original wheels with older Pirelli snow tires included) Active Autowerke stainless exhaust, UUC short-shifter 2 Suzy's E36M3 list stickers (these are worth at last 20hp at the rear wheels!) Unfortunately my second set of RK's with Toyo RA-1's was recently stolen. Car is in excellent running condition, most of the standard E36 issues have been addressed (new radiator, metal water pump, thermostat, RSM's replaced, underbody panel replaced and strengthened, new battery recently installed) My asking price is $12995, however I am willing to deal with a serious buyer. Thank you, -Adam Fila
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#9. Re: Oil Cooler Report [Part 2] - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:27:19 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Oil Cooler Report [Part 2] on 8/18/05 1:10 PM, "Alexander Fadeev" <afadeev@smu.edu> wrote: > Great write-up, Neil. > I do have on conceptual question. > You estimate the oil cooler dropping the operating temperatures by ~25F > degrees from 240's to 220's. > > RedLine recommends running its 15W50 oil above 225F: > http://www.redlineoil.com/products_motoroil.asp?pvID=54&prodID=45&subcatID=14 > > Both Redline and Mobile 1 have flash points above 450F. I've heard club racers > start worrying about oil temps north of 280. > > So what exactly does one gain by moving the oil temps DOWN and OUT of the > Redline's recommended operating range? > What is the operating range for different weight synthetic motor oils (hard to > come by on the net)? It has to be looked at it the other way around: you use a heavy oil like 15W-50 to maintain oil film in engines that are forced to run at high temps, rather than seeking high operating temps in order to accommodate that thick oil. For a non-racecar you then have to accept that in everyday use with lower oil temps that heavy oil really isn't going to flow very well, so lubrication won't be as good as it could be. Fortunately modern synthetic multigrade oils alleviate that problem somewhat. There's no inherent benefit to a thick oil unless the engine design calls for it, or peak temperatures require it. Flash point isn't an issue. By fitting an oil cooler I'm not just lowering the peak temp, but more importantly narrowing and controlling the operating range (remember there's an oil t'stat in the Euro housing). Then to match that I've switched to a somewhat thinner 0W-40 oil since I don't need that syrupy 15W-50 any more. In fact it's possible that xW-30 might be adequate. As for Club racers, don't forget that they tend to have rather different engine life expectations than the rest of us do... on 8/18/05 1:10 PM, Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > Last weekend at Thunderhill in my stock M3 LWT in 100 degree temps I > saw 230-240F oil temps running Mobil 1 15W-50. Even at Buttonwillow in 110F heat I've never seen above 250F. One of the major variables is track speed. I see distinctly higher temps at Putnam, a shorter technical track, than at Mid Ohio where the long back straight with about 125+mph terminal velocity blasts some cooling air through the system. I'd say the same about Road America, but in early May when I go there it's been known to snow anyway! > I run the bigger / Euro radiator with a box-stock motor. If I were > making a lot more than 240hp I suppose I would look at installing the > cooler. I do have more than the stock 240hp (Eurosport/Conforti cam kit), but my objective here is engineering for longevity. And of course you left coasters don't have to deal with the range of ambients we do. BTW, in the rush to get the cooler done in time for Mid Ohio I didn't have time to take any pix, but I will. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#10. Driver's side window not sealing when closed - from Gerry
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Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:17:12 -0400 From: Gerry <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Driver's side window not sealing when closed I checked the archives for similar problems but no... Today my driver's side window stopped advancing to seal the window when the door is shut. In the past couple of months, the window would seek to seal when I drove along. Any ideas to fix? Gerry