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#1. NEW ! E36 M3 SPECIFIC BILSTEIN COIL OVER KIT - from Robert Manger
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:03:31 -0400 From: Robert Manger <Robert_Manger@Mastercard.com> Subject: NEW ! E36 M3 SPECIFIC BILSTEIN COIL OVER KIT Does anyone know how this compares to the spring rates offered in the H&R coilover kit? thanks, rob Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:17:12 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] <AD> NEW ! E36 M3 SPECIFIC BILSTEIN COIL OVER KIT For anyone else who was curious as to the actual spring rates with this coilover kit, I just got this info directly from Bilstein: << The spring rate on our PSS9 M3 3.2L is 460 lbs/in. front and progressive rate 685 lbs/ins. rear. The 3.0L is 500 lbs/ins. front and 685 lbs/ins. rear. >> Jonathan L. ----------------------------------------- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail message and any attachments are only for the use of the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, distribution or other use of this e-mail message or attachments is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please delete and notify the sender immediately. Thank you.
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#2. Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:08:55 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? > Lets's try this one last time with a better subject line. Sorry for > double post. Responses receive positive Karma. My response to your original post crossed with your new appeal. Do I still qualify for the positive karma bonus? I see that Rex and I have very similar setups, with his front springs being 10% stiffer at 500 lb/in. I too crank the shock settings down to zero for street use, making the ride less jarring but at the price of the suspension being a bit bouncy and underdamped. (Just for comparison the track settings are near full stiff in rebound and half to two thirds in compression.) I think that one of the reasons the 350F/400R springs I tried were better overall on the street, besides simply being softer, is that it was possible to raise the damping to a more suitable level without loosing any fillings in the process. Bear in mind that I also drive daily on cratered Midwest streets. The compromise may play out differently for those living outside the frost belt. The Koni DA's are short, stiff and expensive. They're great on the track but aren't necessarily right for everyone or every use. I like the idea of the single PSS9 adjustment applying both to compression and rebound. This makes more sense to me than the Koni SA rebound only adjustment. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#3. RE: [E36M3] Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:29:01 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Neil you absolutely get the k-bonus. (With our cars getting older we all must take what we can get.) The Bilstein solution gets points IMO for adjustment simplicity. In an auto-x where you might get only a few runs, I see having less 'stuff' to change run to run a good thing! Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 4:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:08:55 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? > Lets's try this one last time with a better subject line. Sorry for > double post. Responses receive positive Karma. My response to your original post crossed with your new appeal. Do I still qualify for the positive karma bonus? I see that Rex and I have very similar setups, with his front springs being 10% stiffer at 500 lb/in. I too crank the shock settings down to zero for street use, making the ride less jarring but at the price of the suspension being a bit bouncy and underdamped. (Just for comparison the track settings are near full stiff in rebound and half to two thirds in compression.) I think that one of the reasons the 350F/400R springs I tried were better overall on the street, besides simply being softer, is that it was possible to raise the damping to a more suitable level without loosing any fillings in the process. Bear in mind that I also drive daily on cratered Midwest streets. The compromise may play out differently for those living outside the frost belt. The Koni DA's are short, stiff and expensive. They're great on the track but aren't necessarily right for everyone or every use. I like the idea of the single PSS9 adjustment applying both to compression and rebound. This makes more sense to me than the Koni SA rebound only adjustment. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#4. RE: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too - from Alan Leung
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:50:26 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too Pat, I guess one of the reasons you aren't getting as much response as usual is that, well, harshness is very subjective. The best thing to do is to get rides from club members who run similar set up in your area. A pseudo data point here - I ordered the GC SA race setup with 500F/600R a couple weeks ago (thanks again for everyone who pitched in). It hasn't come in yet but after talking to James at BW and Dale at GC this is probably at the tolerance limit on the street. That means you may want to stay under these spring rates. The Eibach's are linear though so I'm not sure how that translates to progressive rates. Keep in mind also that the GC Koni's are SA and only rebound adjustable so the damping adjustment isn't exactly like the PSS9 either. Now free karma for those who can share some experience on the new UUC urethane tranny mounts vs the enforcer - anyone? Alan 95 M3 - waiting for GC Race 02 748S 03 Disco - before it becomes ugly > > >>> "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> 8/30/2005 2:49:54 PM > >>> >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:41:25 -0500 >From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too >harsh for street? > >Thanks Rex, good point on the double adjustability of the TC Kline >kit. >I understand how this can offer the flexibility to make it more >versatile for street/track. I must admit I am not sure what the >bilstein coilover kit offers in adjustability, as the website merely >states is has 9 adjustability steps and does not define if its rebound >or compression. If only single adjustable, my quess would be >compression only (as I think back to how my old koni SA were on the >integra), but somebody feel free to comment on that if they know. > >Thanks, >Patrick (sending out good karma like its on sale for a $1.49) >
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#5. Toyo Tires - from Foley, Brian
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:44:12 -0400 From: "Foley, Brian" <bfoley@cmpd.org> Subject: Toyo Tires I have been running Toyos on my '97 M3/4 for about three years now; started with the Proxes T1+ and now have a set of T1-S tires with less than 10K miles. They are at least as good as my Michelin Pilots were and probably better than the Bridgestones. The T1-R replaces the T1-S. Main differences appear to be a slightly different silicone tread compound and the design, which adds a circumfrential groove/channel across the 'V' of the main tread on each inboard/outboard side of the tire near the sidewall. This is supposed to aid wet weather performance. I am VERY pleased with my tires which I ordered through NTB/Tire Kingdom for about the same prices (130 per tire). They are very sticky, but have worn extremely well. Wet weather performance with the T1-S has been great. I'm sure the redesign will only make them better in the wet. Brian Foley 97 M3/4
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for stre... - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:03:52 EDT From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for stre... In a message dated 8/30/2005 4:10:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, neil.maller@gte.net writes: I like the idea of the single PSS9 adjustment applying both to compression and rebound. This makes more sense to me than the Koni SA rebound only adjustment. Neil, One adjustment that changes both rebound and compression sounds like a compromise to me. Yes, better than single adjustable but not double adjustable, in my opinion. I have Koni DA's on the rear and SA's on the front, and I love the adjustability of the DA's. I'll probably switch to DA's on the front sometime down the road. Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA #13 BSP
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#7. FS: 1997 M3 exhaust, NoVA area - from Theodore Serbinski
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:32:59 -0400 From: Theodore Serbinski <stanson@gmail.com> Subject: FS: 1997 M3 exhaust, NoVA area Guys, selling the exhaust off of my 1997 M3. Tips are in great condition, exhaust has just about 98k miles on it. Looking to get $150 OBO in the NoVA area. Thanks! ted
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? - from Chris Teague
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:41:04 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Patrick, I'll chip in. Like Neil and Rex, I also run the TCKline Koni DA's, but with 500/500 springs (was 500/400). I also set the compression full soft on the street, and up a bunch for AutoX. That's makes a big difference. I think this rides OK on the street, but I'm sure I wouldn't want the 685's in the rear. I'm also not sure about the 400/685 combo. That's a lot of rear spring for the 400 fronts. One of our local SD Autox'ers tried that out, and got massive oversteer. He is now putting the TCKline DA's back on. Like others have said, I really like the flexibility of the DA's for Autox, and as a bonus, you can get back a little ride quality but changing compression for the ride home. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:30:17 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Lets's try this one last time with a better subject line. Sorry for double post. Responses receive positive Karma.
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#9. Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for stre... - from Neil Maller
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Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:25:01 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for stre... on 8/30/05 8:03 PM, Mdriver13@aol.com at Mdriver13@aol.com wrote: > One adjustment that changes both rebound and compression sounds like a > compromise to me. Yep - life's full of those. But a better one than only being able to adjust rebound. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#10. Re: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:21:42 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? I'm also not sure about the 400/685 combo. Speaking of spring rates, does anyone know what the rates are for the Eibach Pro's?? I don't think I have enough good Karma to pass along like Patrick, but I appreciate all replies ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA #13 BSP -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague <cteague@cox.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:49:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:41:04 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Patrick, I'll chip in. Like Neil and Rex, I also run the TCKline Koni DA's, but with 500/500 springs (was 500/400). I also set the compression full soft on the street, and up a bunch for AutoX. That's makes a big difference. I think this rides OK on the street, but I'm sure I wouldn't want the 685's in the rear. I'm also not sure about the 400/685 combo. That's a lot of rear spring for the 400 fronts. One of our local SD Autox'ers tried that out, and got massive oversteer. He is now putting the TCKline DA's back on. Like others have said, I really like the flexibility of the DA's for Autox, and as a bonus, you can get back a little ride quality but changing compression for the ride home. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:30:17 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Lets's try this one last time with a better subject line. Sorry for double post. Responses receive positive Karma. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************