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#1. RE: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 07:41:12 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? 148front 428 rear -----Original Message----- From: mdriver13@aol.com [mailto:mdriver13@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:30 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:21:42 -0400 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] was suspension get too harsh, now spring rates? I'm also not sure about the 400/685 combo. Speaking of spring rates, does anyone know what the rates are for the Eibach Pro's?? I don't think I have enough good Karma to pass along like Patrick, but I appreciate all replies ;-)) Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA #13 BSP -----Original Message----- From: Chris Teague <cteague@cox.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:49:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:41:04 -0700 From: "Chris Teague" <cteague@cox.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Patrick, I'll chip in. Like Neil and Rex, I also run the TCKline Koni DA's, but with 500/500 springs (was 500/400). I also set the compression full soft on the street, and up a bunch for AutoX. That's makes a big difference. I think this rides OK on the street, but I'm sure I wouldn't want the 685's in the rear. I'm also not sure about the 400/685 combo. That's a lot of rear spring for the 400 fronts. One of our local SD Autox'ers tried that out, and got massive oversteer. He is now putting the TCKline DA's back on. Like others have said, I really like the flexibility of the DA's for Autox, and as a bonus, you can get back a little ride quality but changing compression for the ride home. Chris ----- Original Message ----- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:30:17 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Free Karma: When does your suspension get too harsh for street? Lets's try this one last time with a better subject line. Sorry for double post. Responses receive positive Karma. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? - from twisty M3
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:02:57 -0700 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? I'll save all the fun details for another long message on another day, but after almost 3 weeks of pain, there's a motor in my car and it's running well again. I have a couple of things I've come across in the two full days that I've had it, so here are a couple of questions for the list: 1) I believe the water temp gauge in my car *used to* take at least close-to ten minutes to get to the middle, from which it would never budge... Except for that one day that cause all this fun. ;) With the "new" motor install they replaced the thermostat and the gauge now gets to the middle in just a few ticks UNDER three minutes. It runs fine and stays dead center, but I'm aware of that wide range in the middle. Am I remembering wrong, or is this normal? I checked the invoice part# for the thermostat vs. RealOEM.com and it appears to be correct. Anything to worry about or watch for, aside from the obvious possibility of an increase on the gauge? 2) I have a really funny feeling that this was just a technician getting sidetracked while working on my car, but I checked the oil as soon as I got home from picking it up, as I wanted to be able to see if this motor burns oil. To my shock and amazement, the level was BELOW the bottom line. I added 2.5 quarts and the level was up to the dot above the top line (cold motor). Drove a bit and the level was later down to the top line (cold motor). It hasn't moved since, though. Is it possible that this new (actually a low-mileage motor) would've burned that much oil in a short time and then just stopped, or is it more likely the tech. screwed up? Motor has 50K vs my 150K, but I don't know how long it sat for. I also had the VAC oil pan baffle kit welded in, so I don't know if that could possibly have an effect on the reading?? 3) As I was putting my street wheels (which were almost impossible to get off due to over tightening) back on the car last night, I checked for some front suspension rattling I'd heard since leaving the shop. I though it was just a backed off end link nut, so I went to check the tightness... the nut sheared right off. Just picked up a replacement from the dealer (ouch!!) and will put it on tonight... Is there a specific torque spec to use on these nuts, or just as tight as my wimpy cordless impact will get 'em. Thanks to all, and I too will gladly offer good karma to all responders. ;) Jonathan L.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? --- twisty M3 <twistym3@hotmail.com> wrote: > 1) I believe the water temp gauge in my car *used to* take at least close-to > ten minutes to get to the middle, from which it would never budge... Except > for that one day that cause all this fun. ;) With the "new" motor install > they replaced the thermostat and the gauge now gets to the middle in just a > few ticks UNDER three minutes. It runs fine and stays dead center, but I'm > aware of that wide range in the middle. > > Am I remembering wrong, or is this normal? I checked the invoice part# for > the thermostat vs. RealOEM.com and it appears to be correct. Anything to > worry about or watch for, aside from the obvious possibility of an increase > on the gauge? The water temp always goes to the middle pretty quickly. I would say three minutes is usual. > 3) As I was putting my street wheels (which were almost impossible to get > off due to over tightening) back on the car last night, I checked for some > front suspension rattling I'd heard since leaving the shop. I though it was > just a backed off end link nut, so I went to check the tightness... the nut > sheared right off. Just picked up a replacement from the dealer (ouch!!) > and will put it on tonight... Is there a specific torque spec to use on > these nuts, or just as tight as my wimpy cordless impact will get 'em. Depends on a few things. A while back, Wayne got these regular nuts (not self locking ones) and a wave washer and regular washer to use instead of the factory stuff. We used to zip the nut on and off with an impact wrench. After a while, I noticed the threads were completely pulled off. I now use a hand ratchet to tighten the nut to good n tight. Chester
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#4. Reinforced shock towers & mounting point for stiffer springs? - from Barrett Nicholas
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:23:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Barrett Nicholas <barrettn@swbell.net> Subject: Reinforced shock towers & mounting point for stiffer springs? Just wondering with all those who've gone to the stiffer springs if there's been much problems with cracked strut towers or broken shock mounts? IIRC, there's a bmw part for repairing cracked shock towers that's essentially another strut tower that welds over top of the existing strut tower. Anyone have any experience with this? All this being said, I have the Bilstein Sport struts without trimmed bumpstops (I trimmed the rears, haven't gotten to the fronts yet), H&R 29910 springs and KMAC camber plates. I seem to bottom out suspension travel a lot more often than I'd like. It really seems like a huge hit when I catch RR tracks too fast, and even a decent pothole is enough to bottom out the suspension. I'm worried one day I'll be looking things over and see something I don't like - any suggestions? (I know I should at least trim the front bump stops, but it seems like such a small amount of additional travel, and the trade off is even less to absorb the impact once the suspension does bottom out - won't that make the impact even greater?) Given the shocks have been on the car almost 100k miles they might be due for a rebuild, (the bottoming out has been there from day one so I don't think it's due to wear) does anyone know if Bilstein has any different parameters for rebuilding the sport struts for use with the 29910s? My understanding is that they are designed for use with the stock springs. Thanks, Barrett P.S. I'm running Bridgestone re750s in 235/40/17 on Racing Dynamics rgr 17x8 rims (not the lightest in the world, but probably not the worst either) along with Brembo 4-pot calipers with 320x28mm rotors, so my unsprung weight isn't exactly the lowest it could be. Anyone have an idea how big a factor this might be?
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Reinforced shock towers & mounting point for stiffer springs? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:34:23 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Reinforced shock towers & mounting point for stiffer springs? On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:29 AM, Barrett Nicholas wrote: > Just wondering with all those who've gone to the stiffer springs if > there's been much problems with cracked strut towers or broken > shock mounts? IIRC, there's a bmw part for repairing cracked shock > towers that's essentially another strut tower that welds over top > of the existing strut tower. Anyone have any experience with this? http://www.tcdesignfab.com/E36%20Rear%20Shock%20Tower.htm - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#6. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? - from marco
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:38:54 -0700 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? Hand tighten them. Even your wimpy electric impact could shear those suckers right off. I doubt the torque spec is much over 40ftlb. Marco -----Original Message----- From: twisty M3 [mailto:twistym3@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:10 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Quick Temp Guage? Quick but temporary oil burn? End Link Torque? 3) As I was putting my street wheels (which were almost impossible to get off due to over tightening) back on the car last night, I checked for some front suspension rattling I'd heard since leaving the shop. I though it was just a backed off end link nut, so I went to check the tightness... the nut sheared right off. Just picked up a replacement from the dealer (ouch!!) and will put it on tonight... Is there a specific torque spec to use on these nuts, or just as tight as my wimpy cordless impact will get 'em. Thanks to all, and I too will gladly offer good karma to all responders. ;) Jonathan L. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Steering Wheel Shake under high-speed brake... - from scott noltensmeier
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: scott noltensmeier <snoltens@yahoo.com> Subject: Steering Wheel Shake under high-speed brake... Steering Wheel shakes under high-speed brake... The 18" wheels are balanced -- smooth handling -- no problems. Replaced brake pads, rotors, and applied the pad break-in procedure, but... - I still have a steering wheel shake issue at speeds above 60 mph. - under 60 is ok... Any suggestions? Thanks Scott, E36M3, 96' 135K 2D.
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Steering Wheel Shake under high-speed brake... - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Steering Wheel Shake under high-speed brake... On Wed, August 31, 2005 9:59 am, scott noltensmeier said: > Replaced brake pads, rotors, and applied the pad break-in procedure, How long ago, and what pads? Some pads take a while to deposit material evenly on the rotors (especially new rotors), so this could be what you are feeling. > Any suggestions? Wheel bearings? Control arm bushings? Jim Bassett
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#9. H&R Race with Kosei K1s? - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:09:49 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: H&R Race with Kosei K1s? Folks, I am running H&R Race with Bilsteins. The ride height in the front is super low (yeah yeah I am not a big fan of them but seems like these are the only off the shelf springs available out there for I Stock). Anyways, I am concerned about the 2 inch drop in the front and being able to run Kosei K1s with 255 Corsa Cups with spacers. I was planning on going with a 15mm spacer but want to be conservative (don't want the tires to hit the front fenders). Question, would 10mm be okay to run with these? Anyone out there with this setup? Any comments? TIA Ahmad Lutfy
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#10. FS: 21.5 lbs Bosch injectors - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:12:49 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: FS: 21.5 lbs Bosch injectors I have a complete set of six Bosch injectors off my 98 M3 with 70Kish miles. They worked fine when I took them off. $70 shipped. Email me if interested. Ahmad Lutfy