E36M3 #4460

Friday, September 02, 2005 12:29:58

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: [E36M3] water pump - from Alan Leung
#2. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Alan Leung
#3. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#4. Water Pump - from John Hoffner
#5. Re: [E36M3] water pump - from John Hoffner
#6. Re: [E36M3] Premium Gas Price of $4.69 - from Carey Probst
#7. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Rex Tener
#8. Go figure..... - from kwill69058@comcast.net
#9. Still waiting for GC coilover. - from Jim
#10. Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO - from Andrew Kalman

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#1. Re: [E36M3] water pump - from Alan Leung
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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:53:16 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] water pump CORRECTION - I meant S54 engined M coupe 3 row radiator (not S52). P/N should be 17 11 2 227 281. Last time I checked it's about $270 Nope. Same plastic neck so just as easy to crack. But people argue that by the time you replace a radiator on a 95 at ~100k you ain't very likely to keep the car for much more than another 50k so factory solutions (S50, S54 radiators) should suffice. On the other hand I have just heard too many horror stories on this digest so I wanted to do it once and once only hence the all aluminium route. The problem is that when the plastic neck goes your radiator hose would start flopping around possibly taking a whole bunch of other stuffs with it. Another reason is that here in the midwest I see 90 degree days for 2 or 3 weeks easily. At the end of the day it's all calculated risk so I won't say mine is the "correct" solution either. >Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:47:24 -0600 >From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> >Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE:Water Pump >I agree with Alan about the flush with distilled water. Well looks like I at least got the distilled water part right =P I tried the wrench and hammer method with no luck before paying for the special tool. My logic was that I could either pay for a nicer and bigger 32 mm wrench but with no provision to hold the fan clutch and use it once or I could pay roughly the same sum for the special tool and be pretty darn sure I could get the fan off. At such early stage of the project I needed a morale boost so I took the easy path. Alan 95 M3 - still beating myself for not filling up at $2.51 on Monday > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:32:35 -0700 > From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:Water Pump > >> Definitely a good time to replace the radiator if it has more than 35 or >> 50k >> on (depending on who you ask). Options range anywhere from stock to M >> coupe >> S52 3-row version (higher cooling capacity than stock) to all aluminum >> (my >> choice - no plastic neck, peace of mind). >> Replace all the hoses that need to come off during the job at the same >> time. > > Is the M Coupe S52 radiator less likely to crack than the E36 S50 > radiator? I had a 95 M3 and am buying a 2000 M Coupe.... > > Also, for the guy who mentioned a thinner 32mm wrench.. > > I used the Craftsman myself (yeah, spend the $30 or so.. but it makes > a nice weapon!). Word on the street is that bicycle headset wrenches > are also 32mm, check a bike shop, I hear they're like $7, and VERY > THIN. > > - reid

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#2. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Alan Leung
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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 05:14:44 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality yeah you guys keep rubbing in =>. My reasoning was (right or wrong) that I believe the GC coilover is pretty well sorted out, especially with the articulating weight jack. On paper both the TCK and GC stuffs are very similar but I was pulled back a little by TCK's proprietary springs as I wasn't sure about long term availability and interchangeability with other springs. Might have been total nonsense on my part, but I needed to make a decision somehow. I ordered thru BW and I've poked Rob already. Probably time to give Dale a call. I planned ahead a bit (rarely the case) so I'm still ok. But frankly I won't be very happy if I don't see them by next week. Alan 95 M3 - stock shocks on their last leg > -------------------- 9 -------------------- > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:08:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality > > Weird -- my GC coilovers were at my house 3 days after placing the order. > Also made to order, with shocks preadjusted on their shock dyno. > > I'd call 'em up and give Dale/Jay a poke. > > -zs > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> > To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Thu Sep 1 16:59:49 2005 > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality > > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:53:07 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality > > Made to order... Worth the wait. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:e36m3digest@ameritech.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 4:40 PM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality > > > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:35:45 -0400 > From: "Rich Dorffer" <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> > Subject: Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality > >> Alan >> 95 M3 - still waiting for GC coilover. almost 3 wks now > > You were warned, by more than one.  Good luck with that, I hope you > weren't > in a hurry. > > Later, > > Rich

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#3. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 08:45:05 -0400 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality >Weird -- my GC coilovers were at my house 3 days after placing the order. Also made to order, with shocks preadjusted on their shock dyno. >I'd call 'em up and give Dale/Jay a poke. Par for the course, there's always a 50% chance you'll get what you ordered when they say you will. I used to have a lot of patience and waited and waited and waited. Now I'm not a happy customer anymore so I pretty much dumped all my GC stuff. If I were to do it again I'd go t.c.kline or Turner. -Carlos.

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#4. Water Pump - from John Hoffner
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:04:03 -0700 From: John Hoffner <jhoffner@gcfinc.com> Subject: Water Pump George and Reid, Thanks for the advice. My situation is a little different from someone that drives their M3 daily so I do plan to replace the radiator. I'll go with a stock one because I only drive this car about 2,000 miles a year. Plus I get radiators out of KC for about $175 delivered to my door the next day. If the M coupe radiator does offer more capacity and the cost is around the same I'll probably opt for one.With low mileage use I can't justify an expensive swap. Heck the radiator is bond to fail from age before mileage. And I can afford to replace a few over a long period before I reach the cost of an aluminum one. As for the wrench, I bought a cheap one from Cummins Tools that works. Are the threaded holes for pushing the pump off easy to see? Reid, good luck with the M coupe search. I love the way they drive. And I also hope to have one some day. Along with an E30 touring, E30 M3, 635csi, M5... It never ends. Oh yes and a Peugeot 605, I just like that weird car Colombo drives. John

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#5. Re: [E36M3] water pump - from John Hoffner
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 09:13:36 -0700 From: John Hoffner <jhoffner@gcfinc.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] water pump Alan, Thanks for the response. I wrote something about this to the email message board. I drive this car about 2,000 miles a year. So while I would like to have an aluminum radiator, for my situation a stock one make more sense. I would opt for the aluminum version if I drove the car more. Thanks, John Alan Leung wrote: > CORRECTION - I meant S54 engined M coupe 3 row radiator (not S52). > P/N should be 17 11 2 227 281. Last time I checked it's about $270 > > Nope. Same plastic neck so just as easy to crack. But people argue > that by the time you replace a radiator on a 95 at ~100k you ain't > very likely to keep the car for much more than another 50k so factory > solutions (S50, S54 radiators) should suffice. On the other hand I > have just heard too many horror stories on this digest so I wanted to > do it once and once only hence the all aluminium route. The problem > is that when the plastic neck goes your radiator hose would start > flopping around possibly taking a whole bunch of other stuffs with > it. Another reason is that here in the midwest I see 90 degree days > for 2 or 3 weeks easily. At the end of the day it's all calculated > risk so I won't say mine is the "correct" solution either. > >> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:47:24 -0600 >> From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> >> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE:Water Pump > > >> I agree with Alan about the flush with distilled water. > > > Well looks like I at least got the distilled water part right =P > > I tried the wrench and hammer method with no luck before paying for > the special tool. My logic was that I could either pay for a nicer > and bigger 32 mm wrench but with no provision to hold the fan clutch > and use it once or I could pay roughly the same sum for the special > tool and be pretty darn sure I could get the fan off. At such early > stage of the project I needed a morale boost so I took the easy path. > > Alan > 95 M3 - still beating myself for not filling up at $2.51 on Monday > > >> -------------------- 10 -------------------- >> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:32:35 -0700 >> From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> >> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE:Water Pump >> >>> Definitely a good time to replace the radiator if it has more than >>> 35 or 50k >>> on (depending on who you ask). Options range anywhere from stock to >>> M coupe >>> S52 3-row version (higher cooling capacity than stock) to all >>> aluminum (my >>> choice - no plastic neck, peace of mind). >>> Replace all the hoses that need to come off during the job at the >>> same time. >> >> >> Is the M Coupe S52 radiator less likely to crack than the E36 S50 >> radiator? I had a 95 M3 and am buying a 2000 M Coupe.... >> >> Also, for the guy who mentioned a thinner 32mm wrench.. >> >> I used the Craftsman myself (yeah, spend the $30 or so.. but it makes >> a nice weapon!). Word on the street is that bicycle headset wrenches >> are also 32mm, check a bike shop, I hear they're like $7, and VERY >> THIN. >> >> - reid > >

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Premium Gas Price of $4.69 - from Carey Probst
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:23:57 -0400 From: Carey Probst <hcprobst@alum.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Premium Gas Price of $4.69 Hey Hans, You win the big just so far. I was complaoining when I paid 3.09 at Watkins Glen before the track session and 3.79 afterwards on the way home. Carey Hans Batra wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:24:06 -0400 > From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> > Subject: Premium Gas Price of $4.69 > > Folks, > > FYI, on the way home from work, I just saw premium gas going for $4.69 > at an Exxon. > > This morning it was $2.79 at the same gas station. > > I wish my investment accounts would do dat! > > Hans > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality - from Rex Tener
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:10:22 -0700 From: Rex Tener <rex_tener@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Keep stock suspension's ride/handling quality At 05:19 AM 9/2/2005 -0500, Alan Leung wrote: >On paper both the TCK and GC stuffs are very similar but I was pulled back >a little by TCK's proprietary springs as I wasn't sure about long term >availability and interchangeability with other springs. Might have been >total nonsense on my part, but I needed to make a decision somehow. You can use any 60mm spring on the front, I have used the TC Kline VVS and H&R 60 mm springs on my TCKR CO setup. I have heard of people doing the same for the rear, but I have not tried it. -- Rex Tener rex_tener@yahoo.com

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#8. Go figure..... - from kwill69058@comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:57:45 +0000 From: kwill69058@comcast.net Subject: Go figure..... All, Last night I witnessed two gas stations that had the same gas prices as each other. As soon as one closed for the night at 10pm the other station raised its prices as much as .35 cents per gallon. I looked this morning and the prices are lowered back to the same as the other station. Go figure. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( If you can read this, thank a teacher, If you can read this in English, thank our Soldiers ! )

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#9. Still waiting for GC coilover. - from Jim
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Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:55:58 -0700 From: Jim <rx3sp@lanset.com> Subject: Still waiting for GC coilover. "Alan 95 M3 - still waiting for GC coilover. almost 3 wks now" I would appreciate it if you would tell the whole story. Thank You. -- Jay Morris (from GC)

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#10. Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO - from Andrew Kalman
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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 10:28:14 -0700 From: Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO Hi All. My '95 M3 LWT "pretty-much-track-only-car" just failed the CA Smog Test. HC and CO were absolutely fine (way under max allowed), but NO was in Gross Polluter category. RPM %CO2 %02 HC(PPM) CO(%) NO(PPM) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1733 14.4 1.2 12 0.00 2544 2786 14.5 1.2 10 0.00 1733 Note the relatively high O2%. The test guy feels that it's indicative of an overly lean mixture. I have felt for some time that the motor has been down on power (even after the head gasket replacement(s)), so the butt dyno does seem to back this up. The test guy felt that the cats are fine, and I think that's right because cats are what make NO spike when the A/F ratio isn't right, which appears to be what's happening here. He felt the plugs are fine, too -- note the low HC (max is 85 and 50). He suggested a new O2 sensor or perhaps a new HFM (it might be contaminated enough to cause this). All on an all-stock '95 M3 motor. Anyone else BTDT? Anyone replace X and have NO get back down to normal? I guess an air leak in the intake system is another possibility, though I did replace all the orange O-ring seals when I did the head gasket. Thanks for any advice, -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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