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#1. RE: Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? - from M540
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:38:23 -0400 From: "M540" <m540@bellsouth.net> Subject: RE: Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? Phil, No leads for you in LA, but you might check with your insurance company. I was surprised to learn that mine (USAA) provides FREE windshields if you have a significant crack that passes through the area swept by the windshield wipers. They gave me the name of an installer, he showed up at my place, took care of the install, and left. No money, no hassles. Good luck, Kevin -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:00:00 -0400 From: <estorilphil@adelphia.net> Subject: Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? Yesterday on my way home a rock/debris hurled towards my windshield and sure enough created a 6" long crack. Overnight this developed into a 10" long crack. Doh! So I'm thinking I'll probably take this opportunity to replace the windshield along with the pits and chips and stuff. Now, can anyone recommend good installers in my area? I work in Irvine so close by to this vicinity would be good. And what would I expect to pay as well as watch out for? TIA... Phil '99 M3/2 '96 Suburban
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:23:46 -0800 From: "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? Phil, Most of the larger commercial glass companies are plugged right into your insurance company. I'm on my third windshield and each time I've simply gone to Speedy Glass (not in your area, sorry) and shown them my insurance card. They take care of the rest and it cost me my $50 deductible. But... Be sure you tell them you want a genuine OEM replacement. I've had no problems with Allstate by specifying that (both on my M3 and my Land Rover). My second windshield was not an OEM replacement (even though I asked for it) and it exhibited all manner of distortion, not to mention the blackened border was crooked and off center. I took it back immediately and they replaced it with a genuine OEM (Sekurit) windshield with generous apologies. Matthew 98 M3/4 > -----Original Message----- > From: estorilphil@adelphia.net [mailto:estorilphil@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:10 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? > > > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:00:00 -0400 > From: <estorilphil@adelphia.net> > Subject: Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? > > Yesterday on my way home a rock/debris hurled towards my > windshield and sure enough created a 6" long crack. > Overnight this developed into a 10" long crack. Doh! So I'm > thinking I'll probably take this opportunity to replace the > windshield along with the pits and chips and stuff. > > Now, can anyone recommend good installers in my area? I work > in Irvine so close by to this vicinity would be good. And > what would I expect to pay as well as watch out for? > > TIA... > > Phil > '99 M3/2 > '96 Suburban > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > >
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#3. RE: Toyo T1-R Followup - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Toyo T1-R Followup At 03:19 PM 9/8/2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: >The mold release compound was gone not long after you turned the corner of >the shop you had >install your tires (mold release wears off in the first few hundred feet >or less). > >Regards, >Rich Wish that was true for 2 wheeled BMW's - most people consider 100 miles or so to be safe.. I do know of more than one person who was caught out by the mold release and some moisture shortly after leaving a dealership. It can hurt a lot on a 2 wheeled vehicle. Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S
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#4. RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Why is it different for a 2 wheeler? Because the contact patch changes location with lean angle? -----Original Message----- From: Don Eilenberger [mailto:deilenberger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Toyo T1-R Followup At 03:19 PM 9/8/2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: >The mold release compound was gone not long after you turned the corner of >the shop you had >install your tires (mold release wears off in the first few hundred feet >or less). > >Regards, >Rich Wish that was true for 2 wheeled BMW's - most people consider 100 miles or so to be safe.. I do know of more than one person who was caught out by the mold release and some moisture shortly after leaving a dealership. It can hurt a lot on a 2 wheeled vehicle. Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#5. RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:37:14 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup It's not just mold-release compound that necessitates care with new tires. The whole chemistry of the compound changes (as it is designed to do) as you heat cycle (yes even street tires) the tires simply by driving on them. Manufacturers do recommend you take it easy for the first 50-100miles until the tires "come-in". Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:30 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Why is it different for a 2 wheeler? Because the contact patch changes location with lean angle? -----Original Message----- From: Don Eilenberger [mailto:deilenberger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Toyo T1-R Followup At 03:19 PM 9/8/2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: >The mold release compound was gone not long after you turned the corner of >the shop you had >install your tires (mold release wears off in the first few hundred feet >or less). > >Regards, >Rich Wish that was true for 2 wheeled BMW's - most people consider 100 miles or so to be safe.. I do know of more than one person who was caught out by the mold release and some moisture shortly after leaving a dealership. It can hurt a lot on a 2 wheeled vehicle. Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:40:04 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup I don't think it's that at all. On a cycle the tire has double the duty, traction and maintaining balance. As such by nature it's more responsive to slips or skids, which can very easily result in lowsiding the bike hence the danger. What might be a barely noticed small slip in a vehicle might be a wipeout on a cycle. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Dave DeBuhr [mailto:debuhr@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 5:30 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Why is it different for a 2 wheeler? Because the contact patch changes location with lean angle? -----Original Message----- From: Don Eilenberger [mailto:deilenberger@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 1:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:31:14 -0400 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Toyo T1-R Followup At 03:19 PM 9/8/2005, Rich Dorffer wrote: >The mold release compound was gone not long after you turned the corner of >the shop you had >install your tires (mold release wears off in the first few hundred feet >or less). > >Regards, >Rich Wish that was true for 2 wheeled BMW's - most people consider 100 miles or so to be safe.. I do know of more than one person who was caught out by the mold release and some moisture shortly after leaving a dealership. It can hurt a lot on a 2 wheeled vehicle. Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? - from Jeremy Conners
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:46:20 -0400 From: "Jeremy Conners" <jeremy.conners@comcast.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? I'm not going to make a recommendation for an installer, but I'll provide some BTDT advice: My replacement had a different design seal. If you notice the windshield seal design on the M3 it has a "U" channel facing inboard along each A-pillar. My replacement came with a standard "flat" seal that does not have this channel. Can someone confirm if this is the non-M3 type seal? I've never inspected another 3xx pertaining to this issue. The disappointment from this different design is that I get different aerodynamics in the area and with mild rain or even windshield washer activity at low speeds I get drips into the cabin. I'm not sure if you can buy the M3 seal and have the installer trade-out the seal they are using for the factory seal. It's worth a try, IMO. Also, one may want to remove the wipers and the cover under the windshield them. My installer proceeded to bugger-up (<- technical term) my cover to the point that I had him use some of the adhesive to glue it back down to the windshield. There are also a few minor cuts along the trailing edge of the cover now. The caveat here is that the install was done at my work during a windy & bitter Detroit winter day Out of sympathy for the situation I accepted the results only slightly reluctantly. Note: I didn't notice the seal difference until I washed the car. Some memory was triggered at that time and it became apparent. The cover will be replaced soon and the seal will be "properly" replaced when required by a new windshield. -Jeremy 97 M3 // <SNIP> // Now, can anyone recommend good installers in my area? I work in Irvine // <SNIP>
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#8. RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:50:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Toyo T1-R Followup But the fact remains that the tires (two or four wheeled vehicles) don't come into their own for a few hundred miles. The mold release compound might wear out within a few feet or whatever, but the fact remains that grip isn't optimal at that point. The Hankooks that I have on the Elise definitely feel better now than they did in the first 100 miles. Chester --- Patrick Goss - PA <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> wrote: > I don't think it's that at all. On a cycle the tire has double the > duty, traction and maintaining balance. As such by nature it's more > responsive to slips or skids, which can very easily result in lowsiding > the bike hence the danger. What might be a barely noticed small slip in > a vehicle might be a wipeout on a cycle.
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#9. RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? --- Jeremy Conners <jeremy.conners@comcast.net> wrote: > activity at low speeds I get drips into the cabin. I'm not sure if you can > buy the M3 seal and have the installer trade-out the seal they are using for > the factory seal. It's worth a try, IMO. Having gone through two of the seals, you can probably supply the part and they will use it. It certainly isn't hard to install it to the new window prior to dropping it in to the opening. > Also, one may want to remove the wipers and the cover under the windshield > them. My installer proceeded to bugger-up (<- technical term) my cover to > the point that I had him use some of the adhesive to glue it back down to > the windshield. There are also a few minor cuts along the trailing edge of > the cover now. The cover you speak of gets cracked fairly easy, anyway; so replacing it is probably the best bet :) Chester
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#10. RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Windshield Installer Recommendation in LA/OC? On Thu, September 8, 2005 2:49 pm, Jeremy Conners said: > My replacement had a different design seal. If you notice the windshield > seal design on the M3 it has a "U" channel facing inboard along each > A-pillar. My replacement came with a standard "flat" seal that does not > have this channel. Can someone confirm if this is the non-M3 type seal? This *might* be a coupe vs. sedan thing (frame vs frame-less window)? My 325is coupe has the "U" channel on it's new seal, the M3 sedan does not. Having said that, I do occasionally get windshield wash drips in the M3, so a better answer than mine would be appreciated :-) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 - on fourth windshield, needs a fifth 1993 325is #44 JP - third windshield since my ownership began