E36M3 #4472

Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:45:59

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Check Engine Codes? - from Stan Shaw
#2. FS: Rogue Octane SSK - $225 - from mikeymaigs@comcast.net
#3. Independent Service in IL - from Roan Low
#4. blown head gasket woes - from Brad DeMotte
#5. Passenger side Vader seatback in black leather - from Matt Weimer
#6. Re: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Chester Wong
#7. Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings - from Patrick Kelly
#8. RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Matthew Teel
#9. Re: [E36M3] Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings - from Walter J
#10. RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Andrew Kalman

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#1. Check Engine Codes? - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:51:36 -0400 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Check Engine Codes? Thank you Jeremy. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams

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#2. FS: Rogue Octane SSK - $225 - from mikeymaigs@comcast.net
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:54:16 +0000 From: mikeymaigs@comcast.net Subject: FS: Rogue Octane SSK - $225 Gruppe, 25k mile old Rogue Engineering Octane Short Shift Kit. http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412841 Please e-mail me if interested. Located in Santa Clara, CA. Thanks, Mike

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#3. Independent Service in IL - from Roan Low
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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:43:36 -0500 From: "Roan Low" <low.d@comcast.net> Subject: Independent Service in IL The IAIBMWSP has only 3 shops listed for IL, and only 1 near me. Does anyone have any opinion regarding Euroquipe in St. Charles, IL or any other recommendation for someone in the NW Suburbs of Chicago? Thanks, Roan. 99 M3 Hoffman Estates, IL

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#4. blown head gasket woes - from Brad DeMotte
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:14:47 -0400 From: "Brad DeMotte" <brad@demottearchitects.com> Subject: blown head gasket woes Guys, Have been in lurk mode for years soaking up information and finally need some advice. Have a '97 M3 with 115K on the clock, is a heavily modified daily driver and has done about 20 track days in the past few years. Has been trouble free until 2 days ago........was going down the highway doing 70-80 MPH in 5th gear and then the engine starts running really rough. Pull over, really rough idle continues, decide to have it towed. Compression test done......no compression in #5 & #6, all others were fine. Spark plugs looked fine, not damaged. No coolant loss, no coolant in oil. Initial diagnosis is a blown head gasket between the 2 cylinders, hopefully no bent valves or damage to head or I now have a boat anchor. Questions: * Seems really strange to have a head gasket go under these circumstances....normal driving, not high RPM's on the track. Anybody else ever experience this? Just a bad gasket?? Any gasket recommendations? BMW head gasket kit, BMP or others? * Head stud set recommendation? Stock, ARP or Raceware? * Considering the mileage on the engine, what else should be down while the head is off? Valve job, timing chain, crank and rod bearings, rings? I have been experiencing oil consumption if I go beyond 3000 miles between changes, so there's some blow by. * Will most likely be replacing all those hard to get to items while the intake is off........coolant/heater hoses, fuel hoses,vacuum lines, power steering reservoir. Any other suggestions?? I plan on keeping the car for a few more years and it will see increased track time, so performance upgrades are preferred over stock replacement parts. Thanks in advance Brad DeMotte "97 M3 ( currently crippled)

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#5.   Passenger side Vader seatback in black leather - from Matt Weimer
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 05:56:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Weimer <mjweimer@yahoo.com> Subject: <WTB> Passenger side Vader seatback in black leather Subject line says it all, need to replace a damaged piece currently in the car. Maybe a shot in the dark but let me know what you have available. Thanks, Matt Weimer Hoosier Chapter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#6. Re: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Chester Wong
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes --- Brad DeMotte <brad@demottearchitects.com> wrote: > Questions: > > * Seems really strange to have a head gasket go under these > circumstances....normal driving, not high RPM's on the track. Anybody else > ever experience this? Just a bad gasket?? Any gasket recommendations? BMW > head gasket kit, BMP or others? Nope. Not at all. I've been an advocate of replacing the head gasket at 100k intervals though some people have questioned that. BMP no longer makes their cutting head gasket for our engines. There are metal head gaskets that are offered by VAC and Elephant motorsports? http://www.vacmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/view_cat.pl?cat=Engine+Components#Cylinder%20Head%20Gaskets > * Head stud set recommendation? Stock, ARP or Raceware? I think new stock head bolts are perfectly fine. > * Considering the mileage on the engine, what else should be down > while the head is off? Valve job, timing chain, crank and rod bearings, > rings? I have been experiencing oil consumption if I go beyond 3000 miles > between changes, so there's some blow by. Get a valve seal puller and at least replace the retainers. Hydraulic lifters and bearing ledges are an option. I would also look into getting a chemical solution to dissolve the carbon deposits as the only other way of removing it is blasting with walnut shells or something like that. If you're getting blowby and are consuming oil like me, you'll most likely need to rehone/rebuild/re-breakin the engine which I'm not sure if I'm willing to do. > * Will most likely be replacing all those hard to get to items while > the intake is off........coolant/heater hoses, fuel hoses,vacuum lines, > power steering reservoir. Any other suggestions?? Knock sensors? There is one under the intake manifold and is really only accessible once that is off. > I plan on keeping the car for a few more years and it will see increased > track time, so performance upgrades are preferred over stock replacement > parts. Good luck...this project is also on my mind as I just hit 112k miles the other day. Chester

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#7. Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings - from Patrick Kelly
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:12:47 -0400 From: "Patrick Kelly" <pkelly@agincourtcapital.com> Subject: Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings Hello all, The "Tech Talk" columnist in Roundel, Mike Miller, keeps harping on the "rear subframe failure" of E36's, as if every car is on the verge of dropping its rear end. Is there anyone here who has actually experienced, first-hand, this? I don't recall it EVER coming up on this list, at least in the last five years. Pat Kelly 95M3, heading to Octoberfest (Septemberfest?) in two days pkelly@agincourtcapital.com

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#8. RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:18:57 -0800 From: "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes Oh... And since your in there, don't forget to replace those old tired camshafts with some slick new Schricks. .... And don't forget to do the oversized injectors. .... And the new intake manifold. .... And new software. Dang, I wish my head gasket would blow! Matthew 98 M3/4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:45 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: Re: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes > > > Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:40:41 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes > > --- Brad DeMotte <brad@demottearchitects.com> wrote: > > Questions: > > > > * Seems really strange to have a head gasket go under these > > circumstances....normal driving, not high RPM's on the > track. Anybody > > else ever experience this? Just a bad gasket?? Any gasket > > recommendations? BMW head gasket kit, BMP or others? > > Nope. Not at all. I've been an advocate of replacing the > head gasket at 100k intervals though some people have > questioned that. BMP no longer makes their cutting head > gasket for our engines. There are metal head gaskets that > are offered by VAC and Elephant motorsports? > > http://www.vacmotorsports.com/cgi-bin/view_cat.pl?cat=Engine+C > omponents#Cylinder%20Head%20Gaskets > > > * Head stud set recommendation? Stock, ARP or Raceware? > > I think new stock head bolts are perfectly fine. > > > * Considering the mileage on the engine, what else should be down > > while the head is off? Valve job, timing chain, crank and rod > > bearings, rings? I have been experiencing oil consumption if I go > > beyond 3000 miles between changes, so there's some blow by. > > Get a valve seal puller and at least replace the retainers. > Hydraulic lifters and bearing ledges are an option. I would > also look into getting a chemical solution to dissolve the > carbon deposits as the only other way of removing it is > blasting with walnut shells or something like that. If > you're getting blowby and are consuming oil like me, you'll > most likely need to rehone/rebuild/re-breakin the engine > which I'm not sure if I'm willing to do. > > > * Will most likely be replacing all those hard to get to > items while > > the intake is off........coolant/heater hoses, fuel hoses,vacuum > > lines, power steering reservoir. Any other suggestions?? > > Knock sensors? There is one under the intake manifold and is > really only accessible once that is off. > > > I plan on keeping the car for a few more years and it will see > > increased track time, so performance upgrades are preferred > over stock > > replacement parts. > > > Good luck...this project is also on my mind as I just hit > 112k miles the other day. > > Chester > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings - from Walter J
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:25:29 -0400 From: Walter J <m3gtr@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Mike Miller's Roundel Ravings Patrick Kelly wrote: > Hello all, > > > > The "Tech Talk" columnist in Roundel, Mike Miller, keeps harping on the > "rear subframe failure" of E36's, as if every car is on the verge of > dropping its rear end. > > > > Is there anyone here who has actually experienced, first-hand, this? I > don't recall it EVER coming up on this list, at least in the last five > years. > I read that article and many other "E36s are crap" articles from him over the years. I also read him giving advice on what car to use for the track. I live in the northeast - I've been to just about every track day the Del Val, NJ and several others (CT Valley, Patroon, & PCA regions) have had in the last 5 years. I've never met Mike Miller or seen him on a roster. Not even in an Accord. My two E36s have had over 30k miles of track use between them (328is 5k, M3 25k) - several of my good friends also show up in E36 M3s. None of us has ever left the track early because of a failure of any sort. (A couple of "issues" but they were fixed on the scene). Proper maintenance is a must - but they are pretty bulletproof by my experience and a better, more capable all around performer than all previous BMW models... and yeah, I include the E30 M3s & all M5s in that statement. -- Walter

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#10. RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes - from Andrew Kalman
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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:42:22 -0700 From: Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] blown head gasket woes The head gasket on my '95 M3 blew at 17,000 miles -- a combination of heavy track use and blowing one of the coolant hoses while on-track. To make a _long_ story short, my head checked out OK for flatness, etc. (0.0004" over its entire surface). I chose not to use the Cometic all-stainless gasket because it seems that it'll only work if you freshly cut/shave the head. M3 heads allow for 0.012" removal, and I didn't want to start removing material if I didn't have to. If/when the head fails again, then I will probably shave it and go with a Cometic (which is +0.012" thick), which expects you to take the full 0.012" off ... The motor is back together now, using stock bolts and a stock Elring (brand) head gasket, with a valve job and new seals but only a few new lifters (I replaced the ones that were badly scored). Same cams, same valves, new (factory) springs and new (upgraded) keepers. I did not shave the head. Since your engine is much higher-mileage, I would replace the springs, keepers, seals and lifters. If it's still flat, I'd leave the head alone and use an OEM gasket. If not, I'd shave it as little as possible, and use an OEM gasket for street car. I don't know if the OEM gaskets are available in anything other than +.000" and +.012" sizes. If, say, a +.006" is available, then I'd shave +0.006" and use that gasket. -- ______________________________________ Andrew E. Kalman, Ph.D. aek@pumpkininc.com

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