E36M3 #4478

Friday, September 16, 2005 19:05:06

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#1. Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from Neil Maller
#2. [E36M3] Airbag light coming on - from Dave DeBuhr
#3. Mike Miller, Rear Subframes - from jeffrey Lin
#4. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from marco
#5. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from marco
#6. Re: [E36M3] Airbag light coming on - from arionatof@comcast.net
#7. Re: Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from dgcrum@jps.net
#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from Matthew Teel
#9. Radiators - from James Clay
#10. Re: [E36M3] Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from FranKirsten

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#1. Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:08:22 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal on 9/16/05 12:14 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > My car with 112k miles has a leaky gearbox. I guess you've been under the car > recently so you'd know if the back of the tranny was wet. You mean other than from that seeping power steering fluid that blows back under the car? ;-) on 9/16/05 12:14 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > Are you planning on going stock with your clutch, or are you planning a > heavier duty version? There are a lot of clutch/flywheel options and I have no > clue which is best. I don't know that there's a definitive best for every person and use. My normal tendency is to over-spec and over-engineer these projects so that I won't have to revisit them later. This doesn't typically result in lowest initial cost, but here's what I decided to get, and why: UUC Stage 2 UUC flywheel I like that this compensates for getting rid of the dual-mass stock flywheel by using a sprung-hub E34 M5 clutch, and that it doesn't require a proprietary clutch disk (which might or might not be readily available in the future). A disadvantage is that the UUC setup results in an unnaturally light pedal action (thanks to Dave Arnold for letting me try his). The recommended substitution of a 325i slave cylinder only restores a calculated 15.7% of the force, not enough for my taste, which is why the following item. Sachs E34 M5 HD Pressure Plate This offers a higher than stock clamping force which should also help restore pedal effort. Unfortunately at $391 (list sponsor Bimmerworld, special order) it's almost twice as expensive as the normal M5 part. (Thanks to Chester for telling me about this - err, I think!) Sachs M5 Clutch Disk Just the normal Sachs replacement (PelicanParts.com). Using this beefy M5 part plus the HD pressure plate I couldn't see any reason to order a more exotic clutch. Other Misc Parts Pilot bearing, seals, shifter refresh parts, slave cylinder, throwout bearing, etc. (mostly from PelicanParts.com). Damn, this misc sh!t sure adds up! BMW Motorsport Rear Main Seal, P/N 11 14 2 193 237 Thanks to Jim Bassett for that info, and to Jack Money at list sponsor Elephantmotorsports.com for emailing me that he had one in stock. Got it on order! There are also other decent clutch/flywheel options, for instance from list sponsors Turner Motorsports and Rogue Engineering. Note that my choices are only as good as the results turn out to be, and since I'm not there yet... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#2. [E36M3] Airbag light coming on - from Dave DeBuhr
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:10:50 -0700 From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> Subject: [E36M3] Airbag light coming on I keep getting an airbag light. According to my Peake SRS tool, it is the passenger occupancy sensor. Phew! I thought it was my Momo wheel/resistor job. If I reset thge light, it doesn't come on until a passenger sits in the seat. Any idea how hard/expensive it is to replace this sensor? Thanks! Dave DeBuhr 98 M3/4

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#3. Mike Miller, Rear Subframes - from jeffrey Lin
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jeffrey Lin <jeffreywlin@yahoo.com> Subject: Mike Miller, Rear Subframes Yeah, Mike Miller annoys the crap out of me. He rags on modern 525s as being gutless but drives an E30 318is. Well the new 525i is quicker than the E34 535i and certainly quicker than any non M E30 or non M E28 He rags on E36 M3s, for being POS cars, but recently he admits E30 M3s are POSs too, but does not say it in a negative way....just highlights all the problems they have from leaky manifold gaskets, bad front subframes, etc....but says these are "special cars"... Now of course we'll see way more incidents on E36s, because 1 yr production of E36 M3 was more than they sold of E30 M3s in the states. Now onto the rear subframe. I race an E36 M3. The fact of the matter is the rear subframe is a weak pt in the E36. The problems we see in racing include differential mounts going bad, subframe bushings going bad, subframes cracking, studs that hold the subframe bending or breaking, and the body where the subframe is mounted ripping out. As a data pt, the shop that maintains my race car, takes care of a few e36 race cars. 2 cars with the cage tied into the area above the diff in the trunk did not have cracks in the body below, the 2 cars w/o the cage tied in that area showed cracks. So what does this mean? If you do track or auto-x...make sure you inspect this area frequently. I think what happens is it gets negelected, the parts start moving around and then it rips out the floor. Stay on top of the bushings, look for cracks, if you have small cracks in the body they can be fixed inexpensively, if you let it go, you'll look at a super expensive repair job. While I'm on this topic, change your control arms in the front, the balljts can break, on track this could be a major problem. I recommend changing after 20 hrs for a race car, or maybe 30-40 hrs for a street/track car. Jeff

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#4. RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from marco
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:21:40 -0700 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? And up the road from Santa Clare is RennWerks in Mountain View with a hunter alignment rack, tire changer, dyno, etc. Ask for Steve. I'll be there this afternoon working on my racecar http://www.rennwerks.com/about.php And btw - Ramon and Tony are also very good choices as mentioned earlier. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Jim Bassett [mailto:jim@jimbassett.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:05 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? On Fri, September 16, 2005 11:54 am, Mark Dadgar said: > Ramon LeFrancois at Bavarian Motorsport in Milpitas. > > http://www.bavarianmotorsport.net/ BIG seconded! I will, without hestiation, drive the ~45 miles to have Ramon (and Tony @ TC Designs) work on either car. Just down there this AM as a matter of fact, picking up some parts. Cheers, Jim Bassett ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#5. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from marco
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:24:14 -0700 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? Just noticed you wanted the ireland mounts too. I just installed them in my car if you want too take a look it's up on the rack at RennWerks Marco -----Original Message----- From: Reid Conti [mailto:reid@conti.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:45 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:38:38 -0700 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? Howdy! I'm relatively new to the bay area, and don't have a shop that I can call my own yet. I'd like a recommendation on a great BMW shop that does great work and charges reasonable rates (haha). I'd like to have Ireland Engineering subframe mounts put in my M Coupe and have new tires put on the front, I figure I'll just have it all done at once. Thanks for any pointers. - reid ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Airbag light coming on - from arionatof@comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:01:06 +0000 From: arionatof@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] Airbag light coming on It cost me approximately $300 to have the sensor replaced by an independent mechanic. -- mailto:mclee@ieee.org > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:10:50 -0700 > From: "Dave DeBuhr" <debuhr@comcast.net> > Subject: [E36M3] Airbag light coming on > > I keep getting an airbag light. According to my Peake SRS > tool, it is the passenger occupancy sensor. Phew! I thought it was my Momo > wheel/resistor job. If I reset thge light, it doesn't come on > until a passenger sits in the seat. > > Any idea how hard/expensive it is to replace this sensor? > > Thanks! > > Dave DeBuhr > 98 M3/4 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#7. Re: Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? - from dgcrum@jps.net
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dgcrum@jps.net Subject: Re: Good shop in/near Santa Clara, CA? >> Ramon LeFrancois at Bavarian Motorsport in Milpitas. >> >> http://www.bavarianmotorsport.net/ >BIG seconded! And a third vote of confidence. I had Ramon replace the rear subframe bushings on my 96 M3 earlier this week. He did that, found a number of "while you're in there" items and fixed them, and did it all on time and budget. This was the first time I've asked him to work on my car but I've known him through the chapter autocross scene - he can make a 750iL dance around cones like you wouldn't believe! >I will, without hesitation, drive the ~45 miles to have Ramon (and Tony @ >TC Designs) work on either car. I live in Santa Cruz and I agree it's worth the drive for the attention to detail and high level of service. David Crum 96 M3 - much, much more stable on 17 now, even with 162k miles on the clock

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#8. RE: [E36M3] Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:02:24 -0800 From: "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal Neil, Well I'm going to be doing my clutch in the back half of winter, so that should give you plenty of time to figure out what NOT to do! Hehe! Please share your progress. Matthew 98 M3/4 > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:15 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal > > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:08:22 -0500 > From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> > Subject: Re: Crankshaft Rear Main Seal > > on 9/16/05 12:14 PM, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > My car with 112k miles has a leaky gearbox. I guess you've > been under > > the car recently so you'd know if the back of the tranny was wet. > > You mean other than from that seeping power steering fluid > that blows back > under the car? ;-) > > on 9/16/05 12:14 PM, "Matthew Teel" <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > > > Are you planning on going stock with your clutch, or are > you planning > > a heavier duty version? There are a lot of clutch/flywheel > options and > > I have no clue which is best. > > I don't know that there's a definitive best for every person > and use. My normal tendency is to over-spec and over-engineer > these projects so that I won't have to revisit them later. > This doesn't typically result in lowest initial cost, but > here's what I decided to get, and why: > > UUC Stage 2 UUC flywheel > I like that this compensates for getting rid of the dual-mass > stock flywheel by using a sprung-hub E34 M5 clutch, and that > it doesn't require a proprietary clutch disk (which might or > might not be readily available in the future). A disadvantage > is that the UUC setup results in an unnaturally light pedal > action (thanks to Dave Arnold for letting me try his). The > recommended substitution of a 325i slave cylinder only > restores a calculated 15.7% of the force, not enough for my > taste, which is why the following item. > > Sachs E34 M5 HD Pressure Plate > This offers a higher than stock clamping force which should > also help restore pedal effort. Unfortunately at $391 (list > sponsor Bimmerworld, special order) it's almost twice as > expensive as the normal M5 part. (Thanks to Chester for > telling me about this - err, I think!) > > Sachs M5 Clutch Disk > Just the normal Sachs replacement (PelicanParts.com). Using > this beefy M5 part plus the HD pressure plate I couldn't see > any reason to order a more exotic clutch. > > Other Misc Parts > Pilot bearing, seals, shifter refresh parts, slave cylinder, > throwout bearing, etc. (mostly from PelicanParts.com). Damn, > this misc sh!t sure adds up! > > BMW Motorsport Rear Main Seal, P/N 11 14 2 193 237 > Thanks to Jim Bassett for that info, and to Jack Money at > list sponsor Elephantmotorsports.com for emailing me that he > had one in stock. Got it on order! > > There are also other decent clutch/flywheel options, for > instance from list sponsors Turner Motorsports and Rogue Engineering. > > Note that my choices are only as good as the results turn out > to be, and since I'm not there yet... > > Neil > Fort Wayne, IN > 96 M3 - Bastard child > 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic > 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell > 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > >

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#9. Radiators - from James Clay
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:34:02 -0400 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Radiators I have a container coming in next week that I got cheap due to volume. Passing along the savings. Will be here next Thursday, will begin shipping Friday. $35 off of normal price. http://www.nexternal.com/bimmerworl/Product657 James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648

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#10. Re: [E36M3] Crankshaft Rear Main Seal - from FranKirsten
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:04:27 -0700 From: "FranKirsten" <frankirsten@msn.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crankshaft Rear Main Seal Howdy Neil, I installed an 8.5 flywheel and M5 clutch about 10K ago in my 95 M3. I did not change any seals in the tranny because I heard that if they were leaking to change them, but to leave them alone if they were not because sometimes that caused a leak. I have had no problems what so ever with leakage. I followed the same advice for my rear main, and it has been leak free too. I have no idea what you are installing as the replacement clutch, but my M5 replacement clutch did not have the correct size pilot bearing and I had to make a trip to my indy bmw source for the correct bearing. I did source the M5 clutch from ebay. I highly recommend the light flywheel. Good luck, Frank

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