E36M3 #4484

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:35:34

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#1. glove box and hvac vents black for sale on e_bay - Cheap - from Patrick Goss - PA
#2. RE: [E36M3] RE: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 - from Townsend, William
#3. RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link - from Alan Leung
#4. CARFAX - from Jeff Bjerke
#5. Re: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 - now Track Pad - from Alan Leung
#6. QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Roy Kao
#7. 1995 M3 Corner Weights - from Martin Bullen
#8. RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from marco
#10. E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard

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#1. glove box and hvac vents black for sale on e_bay - Cheap - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:34:33 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: glove box and hvac vents black for sale on e_bay - Cheap http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8002374084 Here we go, cleaning out the garage. Thanks, Patrick Goss 97 M3/4

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#2. RE: [E36M3] RE: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 - from Townsend, William
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:34:12 -0400 From: "Townsend, William" <wtownsen@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RE: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 I drive the car to/from work only on nice days and drive it to/from the track. Rotor wear looks fine, no scoring at all. Once they are bedded in, that scratched look is gone and does not return in my experience. I have not noticed any difference in the look and wear of the rotors from the Cobalt's. I have not run street pads on the car since I bought it. Went to floating rotors which have been great and get about 20 track days (some of them open days) from a set till they hit min thick. (always at the inner most area of the rotor) --Bill -----Original Message----- From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com [mailto:Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:25 AM To: Townsend, William Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 >I recently went to Hawks which I like on the track better >(ht-14F/ht-10R) and they last longer but their street performance is >lacking as expected (until hot). Not a big enough deal to make me wanna >switch back and forth. Dust still just wipes off unlike some other pads. The only thing that concerns me about running aggressive race pads on the street is the wear they put on rotors. How scored are your rotors after running HT-14s and HT-10s on the street? I ran HT-10s for the first time on my E36 M3 at VIR and they worked very well as expected. This car has StopTechs up front though so I didn't want to run the HT-10s on the street and eat away at those rotors, instead I swap in HP+ for street duty and the rotors remain mirror smooth. Carlos. 98 M3

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#3. RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link - from Alan Leung
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:39:33 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link Thanks a lot for Jay, Stan, Kim, and Jim for explaining how the adjustable end links work. Now do I need 1 or 2 for each bar? From my brief research last night GC & Turner make the front Adj End Link, UUC includes the rear adj end link with their sway bar kit but no front link. I don't seem to find adj end links from TCK or Rogue. Alan 95 M3

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#4. CARFAX - from Jeff Bjerke
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:52:22 -0500 From: "Jeff Bjerke" <jbjerke@charter.net> Subject: CARFAX Can anyone run VIN WBSCD9321WEE08453 on Carfax for me? Please private me at jbjerke@charter.net Thanks- Jeff

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#5. Re: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 - now Track Pad - from Alan Leung
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:47:50 -0500 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 - now Track Pad Ok you guys have convinced me to consider a set of dedicated track pad/rotor. But I need more understanding on the reason in a track school setting (not race). No doubt track pads will stop better and last longer at track temperature. But typically I can get my street tires greasy before I'd fade my street brakes on the track. By the same analogy, I know race compound will grip better than street tires. But I intentionally avoid going that direction (yet) is that I believe race compounds may make it "too easy" and mask my own deficit and actually impede my learning. But since all you guys who have much more track experience than I do recommend going to track pads there must be reasons I haven't thought of. Please feel free to share them with me. Back to the track pad topic. Would I run into any problem if I go with track pads in the front and street pads in the rear? Can anyone tell me the difference between HT10 and HT14 (and possibly specVR)? Their descriptions are almost the same on Cobalt's website. Thanks again for all your input Alan 95 M3 >Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:24:31 -0400 >From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Feedback Request: Ferodo DS2500 > > >I recently went to Hawks which I like on the track better > >(ht-14F/ht-10R) and they last longer but their street performance is > >lacking as expected (until hot). Not a big enough deal to make me wanna > >switch back and forth. Dust still just wipes off unlike some other pads. > >The only thing that concerns me about running aggressive race pads on the >street >is the wear they put on rotors. How scored are your rotors after running >HT-14s and HT-10s >on the street? > >I ran HT-10s for the first time on my E36 M3 at VIR and they worked very >well as expected. >This car has StopTechs up front though so I didn't want to run the HT-10s >on the street and >eat away at those rotors, instead I swap in HP+ for street duty and the >rotors remain mirror smooth. > >Carlos. >98 M3

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#6. QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Roy Kao
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:19:43 -0400 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Gruppe, I have a question about the SSR Competition wheels that I'm thinking of getting as a 2nd set of track wheel for my M3. I have a coil-over suspension setup and the car is basically a track car now. I have a set of BBS RK with 235/40/17 RA-1s on and they've been great. But the SSR wheels are even lighter so wanted to get a 2nd set with either RA-1 or the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in either 235/40 or 245/40 sizes. Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined to go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? The car does not have rolled fenders. Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners with regard to interference with the suspension? Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? The RA-1s have been working out great but am always looking for ideas about new tires, more than willing to stick with the RA-1s if the PSCs don't work out. If you've used or current use the PSC, they appear to be assymetric, so can't be swapped side to side, is that right? Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs for the dry. TIA for any help! -- _____________________ Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue

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#7. 1995 M3 Corner Weights - from Martin Bullen
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:24:14 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: 1995 M3 Corner Weights I was at VIR this week to instruct for the O'Fest school, and had a chance to run my M3 over the scales set up for the club race tech. The results were quite interesting: With almost a full tank of gas and approx. 180lbs of yours truly aboard the numbers were: LF 841 RF 893 LR 822 RR 811 Total 3367 The car is a 1995 non-lux model with manual Vaders and sunroof; fairly close to stock. Major mods that might have an impact are 17x8-1/2 Kosei K1's with 225/45-17 Dunlop SP Race tyres, H&R race springs, Konis, UUC swaybarbarians, Motorsport X-brace and strut brace. The spare tyre and jack were removed, as was the rear seat cushion, and I have an Optima battery vs. stock. I was pretty pleased at how balanced the car was, since I've put no effort into corner weighting (obviously, since I don't have coilovers), but a little disappointed, although not surprised at how heavy the car was overall. I'm also wondering why would the RF be particularly heavier than the other corners? Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8

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#8. RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:33:27 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Don't know about PSC's vs RA-1's on an E36, but the P-car crowd is going off the PSC's. They are way expensive, their grip level is OK, but not to die for and their wear is no better than a Victoracer V700. Since Toyo became the spec tire of the Speed GT and Speed Touring championships, the RA-1 has improved leaps and bounds! As for wheels, I'm running 255/40-17 Falken 615's on 17x8.5 ET40 Kosei K1's (15mm spacer up front) with no fitment issues whatsoever. Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Roy Kao [mailto:royckao@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:19:43 -0400 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Gruppe, I have a question about the SSR Competition wheels that I'm thinking of getting as a 2nd set of track wheel for my M3. I have a coil-over suspension setup and the car is basically a track car now. I have a set of BBS RK with 235/40/17 RA-1s on and they've been great. But the SSR wheels are even lighter so wanted to get a 2nd set with either RA-1 or the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in either 235/40 or 245/40 sizes. Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined to go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? The car does not have rolled fenders. Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners with regard to interference with the suspension? Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? The RA-1s have been working out great but am always looking for ideas about new tires, more than willing to stick with the RA-1s if the PSCs don't work out. If you've used or current use the PSC, they appear to be assymetric, so can't be swapped side to side, is that right? Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs for the dry. TIA for any help! -- _____________________ Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from marco
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:34:28 -0700 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup PSC run very wide. The 245s are wider than 255 Kuhmos. I had to do some serious fender rolling to get them to fit. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Roy Kao [mailto:royckao@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:19:43 -0400 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Gruppe, I have a question about the SSR Competition wheels that I'm thinking of getting as a 2nd set of track wheel for my M3. I have a coil-over suspension setup and the car is basically a track car now. I have a set of BBS RK with 235/40/17 RA-1s on and they've been great. But the SSR wheels are even lighter so wanted to get a 2nd set with either RA-1 or the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in either 235/40 or 245/40 sizes. Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined to go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? The car does not have rolled fenders. Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners with regard to interference with the suspension? Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? The RA-1s have been working out great but am always looking for ideas about new tires, more than willing to stick with the RA-1s if the PSCs don't work out. If you've used or current use the PSC, they appear to be assymetric, so can't be swapped side to side, is that right? Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs for the dry. TIA for any help! -- _____________________ Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#10. E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, The previous week has me thingking. (That's pretty dangerous.) Anyway, has anyone ever done a E46 M3 to E36 M3 retrofit. It seems a logical way to get a parts bin big breake kit. It makes sense if you can find an E46 owner that has upgraded. Anybody ever try????? Kent

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