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#1. Re: [E36M3] RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:40:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link On Thu, September 22, 2005 7:44 am, Alan Leung said: > Thanks a lot for Jay, Stan, Kim, and Jim for explaining how the adjustable > end links work. Now do I need 1 or 2 for each bar? I have one on the front of the race car (Turner), and have 2 on the rear of the M3 (UUC). And, interestingly, I can't for the life of me recall what the config is at the rear of the race car. Hmmm, I'll take a look tonight when prepping for BW :-) Jim Bassett
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#2. RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:10:51 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link on 9/22/05 12:44 PM, "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot for Jay, Stan, Kim, and Jim for explaining how the adjustable > end links work. Now do I need 1 or 2 for each bar? Depends what you want to achieve. If it's to remove any preload then you only need one. Note that in real life this doesn't appear to be an issue, and in any case you can only eliminate preload for one specific lateral weight distribution; e.g. just one passenger or two, etc. If you want to trim the swaybar arm position then you need two. Again in real life I don't think this is any big deal for the front. However for the rear clearance can be tight, and some aftermarket swaybars can have less than optimal bends. My RD Sport bars are particularly poor in this respect; even with very careful link length adjustment there's marginal clearance to various chassis and suspension parts. You definitely want both links to be adjustable here unless the bar bend is absolutely perfect. > From my brief research last night GC & Turner make the front Adj End Link, > UUC includes the rear adj end link with their sway bar kit but no front > link. I don't seem to find adj end links from TCK or Rogue. Ground Control has a pair of very nice adjustable length front links for $100, which IIRC is about what Turner want for one. Buy them from list sponsor Bimmerworld. UUC has some nice adjustable rear links that incorporate grease nipples. However their bushings don't accommodate misalignment well, so they don't work right with my crappy RD bar. (I'm sure they're fine with the UUC bar they were intended for.) Don't know if GC offers rears, but they probably do. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#3. Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup On Thu, September 22, 2005 9:24 am, Roy Kao said: > Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined > to > go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? Sigh. Depending on the offset of the wheels (assuming stock or near-stock offset), no. 8.5" is the stock rear size, and they fit fine on the front as well (again, wheel offset is key). No spacers needed in most cases. > Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide > SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners > with > regard to interference with the suspension? No. Especially with coilovers (in general) which tend to be "smaller" than the stock struts. As an example, I'm running 17x8.5 wheels with 255 Kumhos on all 4 corners on the 325, with a much lower than stock ride height. No spacers. "Some" fender rolling, however :-) > Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? I tried a set on the race car, and wasn't that impressed esp. given the price (and I like Michelin tires, the Pilot Sports are my #1 street tire choice). I've been happy with the Kumho Victoracers. The RA1s are also a good choice, as I still run 'em as a non-race-event tire. > Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? Full tread RA1s, IMO. Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP
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#4. Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Bruce
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:23:12 -0500 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup I have a set of PSC that I was running on my E30 M3. I thought the grip was excellent and the wear was outstanding. I'd buy another set. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:33:27 -0600 > From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot > Sport Cup > > Don't know about PSC's vs RA-1's on an E36, but the P-car crowd is going > off > the PSC's. They are way expensive, their grip level is OK, but not to die > for and their wear is no better than a Victoracer V700. Since Toyo became > the spec tire of the Speed GT and Speed Touring championships, the RA-1 > has > improved leaps and bounds! > > As for wheels, I'm running 255/40-17 Falken 615's on 17x8.5 ET40 Kosei > K1's > (15mm spacer up front) with no fitment issues whatsoever. > > Graeme > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Kao [mailto:royckao@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:25 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport > Cup > > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:19:43 -0400 > From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> > Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup > > Gruppe, > I have a question about the SSR Competition wheels that I'm thinking of > getting as a 2nd set of track wheel for my M3. > I have a coil-over suspension setup and the car is basically a track car > now. I have a set of BBS RK with 235/40/17 RA-1s on and they've been > great. > But the SSR wheels are even lighter so wanted to get a 2nd set with either > RA-1 or the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in either 235/40 or 245/40 sizes. > Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined to > go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? The > car > does not have rolled fenders. > Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide > SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners > with > regard to interference with the suspension? > Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? The RA-1s > have been working out great but am always looking for ideas about new > tires, > more than willing to stick with the RA-1s if the PSCs don't work out. If > you've used or current use the PSC, they appear to be assymetric, so can't > be swapped side to side, is that right? > Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I > may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs > for the dry. > TIA for any help! > > -- > > _____________________ > Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#5. FW: [e36m3] [E36M3] 1995 M3 Corner Weights - from marco
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:34:40 -0700 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: FW: [e36m3] [E36M3] 1995 M3 Corner Weights My guess on the rf heaviness is 1) A/C stuff is all on that side of the car. 2) Iron exhaust manifold. 3) Motor is tilted to the right from vertical. But all that stuff is fairly close to the centerline Marco -----Original Message----- From: Martin Bullen [mailto:vze322dw@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:25 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] 1995 M3 Corner Weights Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:24:14 -0400 From: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> Subject: 1995 M3 Corner Weights I was at VIR this week to instruct for the O'Fest school, and had a chance to run my M3 over the scales set up for the club race tech. The results were quite interesting: With almost a full tank of gas and approx. 180lbs of yours truly aboard the numbers were: LF 841 RF 893 LR 822 RR 811 Total 3367 The car is a 1995 non-lux model with manual Vaders and sunroof; fairly close to stock. Major mods that might have an impact are 17x8-1/2 Kosei K1's with 225/45-17 Dunlop SP Race tyres, H&R race springs, Konis, UUC swaybarbarians, Motorsport X-brace and strut brace. The spare tyre and jack were removed, as was the rear seat cushion, and I have an Optima battery vs. stock. I was pretty pleased at how balanced the car was, since I've put no effort into corner weighting (obviously, since I don't have coilovers), but a little disappointed, although not surprised at how heavy the car was overall. I'm also wondering why would the RF be particularly heavier than the other corners? Martin Bullen '95 M3 '97 Z3 2.8 ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:36:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Kao [mailto:royckao@gmail.com] > Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I > may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs > for the dry. I have a set of Hoosier Wets (225/45/17) I would like to get rid of, let me know if you are interested. They would be great for driving schools or track duty. They were basically only scrubbed in. Tire Rack charges $213 each for these. Don't let the size fool you, the Hoosier 225/45/17 is large, between a 235/40/17 and a 245/40/17 (closer to the later). (I can measure the tread depth which has to be close to full tread depth and take pics if someone is serious). Regards, Rich
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#7. RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Graeme Weston-Lewis
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:50:02 -0600 From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup I'm pretty sure the longevity of the PSC is alignment specific. I know 911SC owners who go through PSC's as fast as Victoracers and I know others who get twice the life of a Victoracer on their PSC's! In the first case, it's a street car that is tracked, in the second, it's a racecar that only sees DE duty. YMMV, IMHO, yada, yada, yada, Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Bruce [mailto:gobuffs93@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:23 PM To: Graeme Weston-Lewis; E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup I have a set of PSC that I was running on my E30 M3. I thought the grip was excellent and the wear was outstanding. I'd buy another set. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:33:27 -0600 > From: "Graeme Weston-Lewis" <gweston@lsil.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot > Sport Cup > > Don't know about PSC's vs RA-1's on an E36, but the P-car crowd is going > off > the PSC's. They are way expensive, their grip level is OK, but not to die > for and their wear is no better than a Victoracer V700. Since Toyo became > the spec tire of the Speed GT and Speed Touring championships, the RA-1 > has > improved leaps and bounds! > > As for wheels, I'm running 255/40-17 Falken 615's on 17x8.5 ET40 Kosei > K1's > (15mm spacer up front) with no fitment issues whatsoever. > > Graeme > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roy Kao [mailto:royckao@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:25 AM > To: E36M3 > Subject: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport > Cup > > Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:19:43 -0400 > From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> > Subject: QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup > > Gruppe, > I have a question about the SSR Competition wheels that I'm thinking of > getting as a 2nd set of track wheel for my M3. > I have a coil-over suspension setup and the car is basically a track car > now. I have a set of BBS RK with 235/40/17 RA-1s on and they've been > great. > But the SSR wheels are even lighter so wanted to get a 2nd set with either > RA-1 or the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup in either 235/40 or 245/40 sizes. > Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined to > go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? The > car > does not have rolled fenders. > Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide > SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners > with > regard to interference with the suspension? > Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? The RA-1s > have been working out great but am always looking for ideas about new > tires, > more than willing to stick with the RA-1s if the PSCs don't work out. If > you've used or current use the PSC, they appear to be assymetric, so can't > be swapped side to side, is that right? > Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? I > may consider getting a good set of rains on the RKs as I go with the SSRs > for the dry. > TIA for any help! > > -- > > _____________________ > Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#8. Re: 1995 M3 Corner Weights - from Shane Kleinpeter
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:15:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Shane Kleinpeter <sak335@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 1995 M3 Corner Weights > 7. 1995 M3 Corner Weights > by: Martin Bullen <vze322dw@verizon.net> >I was pretty pleased at how balanced the car was, >since I've put no effort into corner weighting>(obviously, since I don't have coilovers), >but a little disappointed, although not surprised at >how heavy the car was overall. I'm also wondering >why would the RF be particularly heavier than the >other corners? The heavy right front is purely a result of the inline 6 motor leaning 15 degrees to the right. Couple that with the heavy cast iron exhaust manifold and you have an imbalance. I bet adding stainless headers alone would cure a good bit of that... Shane K. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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#9. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:35:02 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? I've heard of people asking but never of anyone doing. Note that it's hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only 13mm larger diameterm same thickness. The calipers may be slightly different but it uses the same pad. The rears are different, there is much more of an upgrade here. Rears for E46 are 328x20 where as E36 are 312x20. But the pad is much larger on the E46, same as E39 M5. A real upgrade though comes from improving the caliper, staying with a floating caliper might be an upgrade if the rotor is significantly larger but in this case it's not. Upgrading to a fixed caliper even of same diameter rotor will improve braking performance quite a bit. Flex in the system is a loss, loss is bad. Plus multi-piston designs help to improve distribution of force over the pad. There is certainly more to it than that but I’m not going to go into all of it. Suffice to say, upgrading to E46 M3 parts is not much of an upgrade. Jack Money #86 CM M3 w/StopTech's ----> For Sale @ $32k w/spares Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:kents@kls-consulting.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:35 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, The previous week has me thingking. (That's pretty dangerous.) Anyway, has anyone ever done a E46 M3 to E36 M3 retrofit. It seems a logical way to get a parts bin big breake kit. It makes sense if you can find an E46 owner that has upgraded. Anybody ever try????? Kent ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 9/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 9/22/2005
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#10. Re: Question: Adjustable Sway Bar End Link - from Neil Maller
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:07:31 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Question: Adjustable Sway Bar End Link on 9/22/05 9:34 AM, "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> wrote: > Has anyone done the math on this? I doubt very much that lowering affects > the stiffness of the bar by any great factor at all. I already expressed that opinion too, but Jack inspires me to crunch the numbers. I happen to have a stock front swaybar lying around, and I just measured it to have approximately an 8" lever arm from the link mounting hole to the pivot axis through the bushings. The effect of lowering will vary by the cosine of the angle of the dangle (that's a highly technical term, kids, so don't use it at home!) of the bar's arm. For 2" of lowering the angle comes out to be roughly 14 degrees for about 3% reduction in effect. Can we all agree that trying to distinguish that small a difference is like picking fly sh!t out of pepper? Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!