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#1. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:25:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, One of those things that people are curious about. I guess it's not much of an upgrade if the pads are the same and the swept area can't be much different. So if flex is a problem and going to a fixed caliper is a bonus here's a question. The bushing upgrade that Bavarian Autosport sells, does it make sense to go to the solid bushings, or just a waste of $120 in good cash? > I've heard of people asking but never of anyone doing. Note that it's > hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only 13mm larger diameterm > same thickness. The calipers may be slightly different but it uses the > same > pad. The rears are different, there is much more of an upgrade here. > Rears > for E46 are 328x20 where as E36 are 312x20. But the pad is much larger on > the E46, same as E39 M5. > > A real upgrade though comes from improving the caliper, staying with a > floating caliper might be an upgrade if the rotor is significantly larger > but in this case it's not. Upgrading to a fixed caliper even of same > diameter rotor will improve braking performance quite a bit. Flex in the > system is a loss, loss is bad. Plus multi-piston designs help to improve > distribution of force over the pad. There is certainly more to it than > that > but I’m not going to go into all of it. Suffice to say, upgrading to E46 > M3 > parts is not much of an upgrade. > Kent
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#2. 1995 M3 corner weights: - from Jim
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:57:37 -0700 From: Jim <rx3sp@lanset.com> Subject: 1995 M3 corner weights: Just in case anyone is curious, if Martin Bullen was to corner weight his car, the numbers would be: Before: LF 841 RF 893 LR 822 RR 811 Total 3367 After: LF 858 RF 876 LR 805 RR 828 Total 3367 -- Jay Morris
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#3. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:11:52 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi Kent, Always good to ask though! Regarding the bushings you speak of...not sure if those are the brass guide pins or something else. If they're the guide pins, every supplier out there sells them. I'm pretty sure every sponsor of this list sells them. I have not advertised it yet cuz it's early but in October we will offer them for $58/axle shipped. We would honor that price now as well...since I mentioned it and all. We've sold a ton of them, every customer has been very happy with them. BTW, I'm not 100% positive but I'm pretty sure that they're all from the same supplier so you will get the same items from any supplier you purchase from. To answer your question, the pins help but they still don’t make up for a solid caliper. Pretty much everyeone I've spoken with who has upgraded to them has noted an improved feel and better pad wear. Hope that helps...PS, 2 Porsche front brake kits for sale later this eve (E36 M3 fitment). ; ) Jack Money #86 CM M3 ----> For Sale @ $32k w/spares Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:kents@kls-consulting.com] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 4:26 PM To: Jack - Elephant Motorsports Cc: e36m3@bmw-m.net Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, One of those things that people are curious about. I guess it's not much of an upgrade if the pads are the same and the swept area can't be much different. So if flex is a problem and going to a fixed caliper is a bonus here's a question. The bushing upgrade that Bavarian Autosport sells, does it make sense to go to the solid bushings, or just a waste of $120 in good cash? > I've heard of people asking but never of anyone doing. Note that it's > hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only 13mm larger > diameterm same thickness. The calipers may be slightly different but > it uses the same pad. The rears are different, there is much more of > an upgrade here. > Rears > for E46 are 328x20 where as E36 are 312x20. But the pad is much > larger on the E46, same as E39 M5. > > A real upgrade though comes from improving the caliper, staying with a > floating caliper might be an upgrade if the rotor is significantly > larger but in this case it's not. Upgrading to a fixed caliper even > of same diameter rotor will improve braking performance quite a bit. > Flex in the system is a loss, loss is bad. Plus multi-piston designs > help to improve distribution of force over the pad. There is > certainly more to it than that but I’m not going to go into all > of it. Suffice to say, upgrading to E46 > M3 > parts is not much of an upgrade. > Kent -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 9/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 9/22/2005
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#4. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:33:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, Those are what I was talking about Thanks for the response. I guess it's probably worth the $58/axle. Now about that Porsche kit....;-0 The wife would kill me, but I do want to know what it costs. I've looked at Stoptech, Wilwood, Brembo, etc., just to drool. The guides I can slide by. A big brake kit won't get past the inspector. I mean wife. Kent > Hi Kent, > > Always good to ask though! > > Regarding the bushings you speak of...not sure if those are the brass > guide > pins or something else. If they're the guide pins, every supplier out > there > sells them. I'm pretty sure every sponsor of this list sells them. I > have > not advertised it yet cuz it's early but in October we will offer them for > $58/axle shipped. We would honor that price now as well...since I > mentioned > it and all. > > We've sold a ton of them, every customer has been very happy with them. > BTW, I'm not 100% positive but I'm pretty sure that they're all from the > same supplier so you will get the same items from any supplier you > purchase > from. > > To answer your question, the pins help but they still don’t make up for a > solid caliper. Pretty much everyeone I've spoken with who has upgraded to > them has noted an improved feel and better pad wear. > > Hope that helps...PS, 2 Porsche front brake kits for sale later this eve > (E36 M3 fitment). ; ) >
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#5. Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup - from Roy Kao
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:54:41 -0400 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Jim, Thanks for your excellent input, much appreciate it. It appears I was premature to assume RA-1s came in 245/40/17, they only come in 255/40/17 so that's what I'll get it they fit on the car. With the BBS RK, I'm running 10mm spacers in front (if memory serves) and if I don't need spacers in the front with the SSRs then I'd be all good. Thanks again. -Roy On 9/22/05, Jim Bassett <jim@jimbassett.com> wrote: > > On Thu, September 22, 2005 9:24 am, Roy Kao said: > > Question 1: the SSR is available as 17x7.5 or 17x8.5, I'm more inclined > > to > > go with the 8.5" wide version but does that pose a fitment problem? > > Sigh. Depending on the offset of the wheels (assuming stock or near-stock > offset), no. 8.5" is the stock rear size, and they fit fine on the front > as well (again, wheel offset is key). No spacers needed in most cases. > > > Question 2: if there isn't a fitment problem with running the 8.5" wide > > SSRs, will there be a problem with running 245/40/17s on all 4 corners > > with > > regard to interference with the suspension? > > No. Especially with coilovers (in general) which tend to be "smaller" than > the stock struts. > > As an example, I'm running 17x8.5 wheels with 255 Kumhos on all 4 corners > on the 325, with a much lower than stock ride height. No spacers. "Some" > fender rolling, however :-) > > > Question 3: has anyone on the digest used the PSCs on the E36? > > I tried a set on the race car, and wasn't that impressed esp. given the > price (and I like Michelin tires, the Pilot Sports are my #1 street tire > choice). > > I've been happy with the Kumho Victoracers. The RA1s are also a good > choice, as I still run 'em as a non-race-event tire. > > > Last question: what about a good rain tire for the track for the E36 M3? > > Full tread RA1s, IMO. > > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 > 1993 325is #44 JP > > -- _____________________ Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue
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#6. Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:44:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] QUESTION: SSR Competition Sizing & Michelin Pilot Sport Cup On Thu, September 22, 2005 2:54 pm, Roy Kao said: > Thanks for your excellent input, much appreciate it. > It appears I was premature to assume RA-1s came in 245/40/17, they only > come in 255/40/17 so that's what I'll get it they fit on the car. They should, I believe that's the size MarkD runs on his race car (also a 325is). > With the BBS RK, I'm running 10mm spacers in front (if memory serves) and > if I don't need spacers in the front with the SSRs then I'd be all good. You will need to test-fit, esp with coilovers, just to be sure (again, offset is key). That's why I threw in the qualifiers in my statements :-) (I've been "beaten up" enough elsewhere on this topic.) So all I will definitively say is what tire/wheel combo will fit without spacers on MY cars. YMMV. PDCC. Test colorfastness before use. Keep out of reach of children. You get the idea :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett
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#7. Mudflaps - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:48:05 -0500 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Mudflaps Can anybody comment on these. Not sure about fitment to an M3. Aren't the M side skirts and rear bumper more aggressively curved. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-BMW-E36-Front-Rear-Mud-Flaps-Splash-Guard s_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ10374QQitemZ4577197361QQrdZ1
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#8. RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:40:59 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link Alan - To remove preload, one adjustable link is all that is required per bar. To get the bar back to stock position two would be required. As it has been pointed out, that may not be an issue. Additionally, there may not be enough adjustment in the adjustable links to accomplish this. Kim Burgess ------ 3 ------ Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:39:33 -0500 "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: Question: Adjustable Sway End Link Thanks a lot for Jay, Stan, Kim, and Jim for explaining how the adjustable end links work. Now do I need 1 or 2 for each bar? From my brief research last night GC & Turner make the front Adj End Link, UUC includes the rear adj end link with their sway bar kit but no front link. I don't seem to find adj end links from TCK or Rogue. Alan 95 M3
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#9. RE: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3 - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:51:19 -0700 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3 Not that I'm aware of, though Ron Stygar retrofit an E46 3-spoke wheel to his Z3 just recently so anything is possible. www.unofficialbmw.com/images/rons_opening_image.jpg KLB -------------------- 10 -------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, The previous week has me thingking. (That's pretty dangerous.) Anyway, has anyone ever done a E46 M3 to E36 M3 retrofit. It seems a logical way to get a parts bin big breake kit. It makes sense if you can find an E46 owner that has upgraded. Anybody ever try????? Kent
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#10. RE: 1995 M3 Corner Weights - from Townsend, William
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:29:03 -0400 From: "Townsend, William" <wtownsen@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: 1995 M3 Corner Weights Well my 1996 M3 coupe w/lux numbers are heavier in another direction. I put in a coil over suspension and used the Longacre electronic scales to corner balance. Measured Ideal ======== ======= LF: 859 860 RF: 834 833 LR: 849 848 RR: 819 820 Total: 3361 (track setup, no junk (just me 165LB), 3/4 tank fuel, track tires) Front%: 50.37 Rear%: 49.63 Left total: 1708 50.82% Rigth total: 1653 49.18% LF/RR crossweight: 1681 RF/LR crossweight: 1680 --Bill