E36M3 #4488

Friday, September 23, 2005 21:45:36

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank - from Seth Thomas
#2. Re: Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO - from Rich Dorffer
#3. front strut mounts - from j. helffrich
#4. Re: Mudflaps - from Bob Vaughn
#5. Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from david kroth
#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard
#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Funk@bvamotorsports.com
#8. Re: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank - from Jason Knight
#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Raza Uddin
#10. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
#11. RE: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
#12. FS: (2) Porsche/Brembo brake kits for E36 M3 - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports

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#1. RE: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank - from Seth Thomas
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:58:00 -0400 From: "Seth Thomas" <porsche993@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank Looks similar to a Greddy or any aftermarket catch can out there. All of the server the same purpose. Seth Thomas www.bimmerworldracing.com -----Original Message----- From: Ahmad Lutfeali [mailto:m3_racer99@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:45 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:35:49 -0400 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Catch Can/Tank I have been searching for a decent catch can/tank for a while and was not a big fan of putting a coke bottle in my car. Finally found this cool anodized red 9mm port catch can. Came with the sight glass, bracket and hose. Purchased from the Racer's Market (Email: michaelmccoy@racersmarket.net tell him I sent you). I believe he has a blue one as well. Dimensions: 7 inches tall by 3.25 inches deep by 2.5 inches wide. http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_30.jpg http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_31.jpg http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_32.jpg http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_33.jpg Paid $50. Just wanted to spread the word around. Ahmad ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#2. Re: Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:13:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Failed CA Smog Test -- Excess NO > I went back and looked at the previous smog test two years ago (which > was pre-Smog Check II, so NO wasn't tested for) and the HC and CO > figures were almost identical to the first (failed) test this time. > And I replaced the O2 sensor during that test two years ago as well. > It's almost as if I've had a bad O2 sensor all along -- my lap times > have also suffered, and honestly, the car has quite had the "kick" I > remember. Of course I could also be on crack. How much time on your laps do you spend at partial throttle?... Otherwise, the O2 sensor is irrelevant at full throttle. Maybe you are on crack. :-) Try nitrous instead. Regards, Rich

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#3. front strut mounts - from j. helffrich
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:48:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "j. helffrich" <girolamous@yahoo.com> Subject: front strut mounts Hi All, I have to replace my front strut mount bushings because they have some cracks in the rubber. Is there a preferred source for these? I am interested in taking the car to a couple of DE events a year, but not real track use. Best I have found are Lemforder bushings at $85 each. Thanks, Jerry Jerry Helffrich __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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#4. Re: Mudflaps - from Bob Vaughn
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:22:11 -0700 From: "Bob Vaughn" <bob_vaughn@telestream.net> Subject: Re: Mudflaps When I first got my M3, I lived half a mile down a dirt/gravel road so I put the rear mudflaps on. They really helped keep the mud off the panels behind the tires. Can't speak to the fronts. I can't tell if the ones for sale are the same as mine but they look like it. Mine fit perfect and look okay. They're not easy to get off so make sure you want them on there before installing. -- Bob '95 M3 >Can anybody comment on these. Not sure about fitment to an M3. Aren't >the M side skirts and rear bumper more aggressively curved. Here's more info on the mudflaps: www.unofficialbmw.com/e36/exterior/e36_mud_flaps_install.html

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#5. Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from david kroth
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > Note that it's > hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only > 13mm larger diameterm > same thickness. Depending on what you're paying for the E46 take-offs you might want to consider this kit from Tuner: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E46M3CSLBRAKEF Factory parts, brand new, 17mm larger than standard E46 M3 rotors and a full 30mm more than the E36 M3. I have NFI if this would even come close to fitting on an E36. But there it is... David Kroth david_kroth@yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, It should work for the E36. The mounting hole spacing is the same for the carriers. The only drawback is the price, but it wouldn't be a kit that is cobbled together from other sources. I can keep dreaming. The wife would kill me if I went and spent $1400 on brakes. I think I'll stick to replacing the caliper bushings. The current ones have almost 100K miles. Funny thing though. The brass bushings are only about double the price of the rubber stock stuff. The maint. doesn't bother me since I do my own brakes anyway. So once a year, I'd have to pull the caliper apart and lube the guides. No worse than other things I have to do. Kent - dreaming of big brakes and more power. > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > > >> Note that it's >> hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only >> 13mm larger diameterm >> same thickness. > > Depending on what you're paying for the E46 take-offs > you might want to consider this kit from Tuner: > > http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E46M3CSLBRAKEF > > Factory parts, brand new, 17mm larger than standard > E46 M3 rotors and a full 30mm more than the E36 M3. >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Funk@bvamotorsports.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:02:05 -0500 From: <Funk@bvamotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Not to mention, keep in mind the money you will get back when you sell your stock Brakes... Im not sure what E46 M3 brakes sell for, but you should be able to get $550 for your E36 M3 brakes. Joe Funk BVA Motorsports 503-319-3499 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:43 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > > Hi, > > It should work for the E36. The mounting hole spacing is the same for the > carriers. > > The only drawback is the price, but it wouldn't be a kit that is cobbled > together from other sources. > > I can keep dreaming. The wife would kill me if I went and spent $1400 on > brakes. I think I'll stick to replacing the caliper bushings. The current > ones have almost 100K miles. Funny thing though. The brass bushings are > only about double the price of the rubber stock stuff. > > The maint. doesn't bother me since I do my own brakes anyway. > So once a year, I'd have to pull the caliper apart and lube the guides. > No worse than other things I have to do. > > Kent - dreaming of big brakes and more power. > >> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) >> From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? >> >> >>> Note that it's >>> hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only >>> 13mm larger diameterm >>> same thickness. >> >> Depending on what you're paying for the E46 take-offs >> you might want to consider this kit from Tuner: >> >> http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E46M3CSLBRAKEF >> >> Factory parts, brand new, 17mm larger than standard >> E46 M3 rotors and a full 30mm more than the E36 M3. >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:33:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Catch Can/Tank Redline makes a nice one. It looks just like their oil bottles. All you need is the Kustom hose (sold separately) and Zip ties (sold separately). Jason Camaro race car with Redline catch can Sentra race car coming soon (with Redline catch can?) M3 <-- No catch can --- Ahmad Lutfeali <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:35:49 -0400 > From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> > Subject: Catch Can/Tank > > I have been searching for a decent catch can/tank > for a while and was not a > big fan of putting a coke bottle in my car. Finally > found this cool anodized > red 9mm port catch can. Came with the sight glass, > bracket and hose. > Purchased from the Racer's Market (Email: > michaelmccoy@racersmarket.net tell > him I sent you). I believe he has a blue one as > well. > > Dimensions: 7 inches tall by 3.25 inches deep by 2.5 > inches wide. > > http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_30.jpg > http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_31.jpg > http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_32.jpg > http://www.racersmarket.net/images/TRM/A044-1_33.jpg > > Paid $50. > > Just wanted to spread the word around. > > Ahmad > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:08:14 -0700 From: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? As far as I know, the E46 brakes are not a direct bolt-on to our existing hub assembly and would require fabbing up some brackets. Besides the time spent measuring, testing/fitting, and the actual fabrication itself, I'd much rather go with a StopTech/Brembo/AP kit. Drive Safely, Raza On 9/23/05, david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > > > > Note that it's > > hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only > > 13mm larger diameterm > > same thickness. > > Depending on what you're paying for the E46 take-offs > you might want to consider this kit from Tuner: > > http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E46M3CSLBRAKEF > > Factory parts, brand new, 17mm larger than standard > E46 M3 rotors and a full 30mm more than the E36 M3. > > I have NFI if this would even come close to fitting > on an E36. But there it is... > > > David Kroth > david_kroth@yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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#10. RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:40:09 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Phew, yet another computer problem to deal with! But now fixed...moving on... Well, waste of money? Depends on the application. For street only use I'd say that's a fair statement. For limited track use...maybe so. For a fair bit of track use as well as racing, I'd say probably not so accurate, with exception to the part about more maintenance. Whether the caliper is functioning properly or not will not change the inherant flex present in a floating caliper, that's fact. Consider the amount of pressure in the system that is pushing that piston on a single side against the pad which is pushing against the rotor pushing back against the other pad against the other side of the caliper. There is nothing to keep the caliper from flexing, the caliper has no support. The solid guide pins improve this loss unlike the stock rubber does. One may not notice it though under less than heavy use. Those I've spoken with who I would consider "heavy users" have a different opinion about it. Regarding the maintenance, yes, they do require more. Depending on use, they require cleaning and relubrication every so often, that is a downside. For dedicated track cars it's hardly a concern any more than an annual caliper rebuild is. For mixed use again, it depends on the street vs. track use...both type and mileage. Jack Money #86 CM M3 ----> For Sale @ $32k w/spares! Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Rich Dorffer [mailto:e36m3digest@ameritech.net] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 3:55 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > So if flex is a problem and going to a fixed caliper is a bonus here's > a question. > > The bushing upgrade that Bavarian Autosport sells, does it make sense > to go to the solid bushings, or just a waste of $120 in good cash? Waste of cash IMO (sorry Jack). When the caliper is properly functioning and has proper rubber guide bushings, it will operate as well as the solid bushings. The solid bushings require regular maintenance. I could have had a set for free once and passed on them on my E36 M3. Regards, Rich ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005

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#11. RE: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:40:09 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? This is definitely a better upgrade than the regular E46 stuff. However, you still retain the floating caliper, probably the single biggest improvement in any "big brake" kit. Note that a same size kit which utilizes a fixed caliper will significantly improve braking feel and performance vs. the same floating set up. Jack Money #86 CM M3 ----> For Sale @ $32k w/spares! Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:kents@kls-consulting.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:45 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? Hi, It should work for the E36. The mounting hole spacing is the same for the carriers. The only drawback is the price, but it wouldn't be a kit that is cobbled together from other sources. I can keep dreaming. The wife would kill me if I went and spent $1400 on brakes. I think I'll stick to replacing the caliper bushings. The current ones have almost 100K miles. Funny thing though. The brass bushings are only about double the price of the rubber stock stuff. The maint. doesn't bother me since I do my own brakes anyway. So once a year, I'd have to pull the caliper apart and lube the guides. No worse than other things I have to do. Kent - dreaming of big brakes and more power. > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:02:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: david kroth <david_kroth@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: E46 M3 brakes on an E36 M3? > > >> Note that it's >> hardly a "big brake" upgrade. The rotors are only 13mm larger >> diameterm same thickness. > > Depending on what you're paying for the E46 take-offs you might want > to consider this kit from Tuner: > > http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=E46M3CSLBRA > KEF > > Factory parts, brand new, 17mm larger than standard > E46 M3 rotors and a full 30mm more than the E36 M3. > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005

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#12. FS: (2) Porsche/Brembo brake kits for E36 M3 - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:40:09 -0400 From: "Jack - Elephant Motorsports" <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: FS: (2) Porsche/Brembo brake kits for E36 M3 Sorry, I wanted to post all this yesterday but we had some poor weather and it knocked out my computer for a day here. Fortunately an easy fix...phew. Anyway...back to brakes. I have the following for sale, E36 M3 fitment: (1) Porsche/Brembo front brake kit, used for maybe 4 seasons, FRESH rebuild and cleaned. Includes 1 set of rotors, 1 extra set of hats, used Fischer SS lines, mounting brackets, used Hawk HT14's (60%+), Hawk HT10's (75%+), and used Pagid RS14's (75%+). They are not super pretty (I think some brake fluid got spilled on a hot caliper, dirtied it up, plus dust, all from use of course) but they're perfectly functional. As stated, freshly rebuilt with NEW parts...pistons and seals. Great for track use w/several sets of pads to try out. Price is $1350 OBO. (1) Porsche/Brembo front brake kit, used ONE race weekend, like new! Includes calipers (used ONE race weekend), mounting brackets, Goodridge SS lines (used ONE race weekend), 1 pair of 2 piece rotors/hats (discs used ONE race weekend), 1 extra set of hats (used). Included pads are Hawk HT10's (used ONE race weekend), Hawk HT14's (75%+), Textar street (like new, barely used). This kit, as if I have not said it enough, is like new, only used one race weekend. The hats are used but are in great shape, perfectly usable. This kit would be perfect for track use or if you simply want to upgrade your street car. Price is $1650 OBO. Email with questions, thanks! Jack Money #86 CM M3 ----> For Sale @ $32k w/spares! Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005

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