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#1. Re: [E36M3] RX8? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:32:18 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? On Nov 14, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Jon Phillips wrote: > Also, and this is really weird, I haven't seen a single RX-8 at the > 8-9 track days I did this year. How come this car isn't being > bought by real drivers? On paper, it has so much going for it. I think it's because the interior is spectacularly awful. I mean, off-the-scale bad. Hard plastics everywhere, dodgy design themes, the whole deal. It makes the Elise look expensive. Hard to live with in a daily driver. We had one at a GGC Car Control Clinic recently. Fun car. Terrible interior. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#2. RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant - from Carl Stern
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:41:28 -0700 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant I asked this same question a few months ago. I went down to my local BMW dealer and they had something like gummi pflege for about $50 for a couple oz. bottle. I passed, went home and tried Armor All or Son of a Gun (I know this stuff is junk but there was a bottle in my garage so I'd thought I'd try it). That stopped the squeaking. I didn't get the suggestions about glycerin. I just did a Google for gummi pflege and found many sources that sell it for about $7.50 /100ml. It is still available just not with a BMW part number on it. Carl
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#3. RX8 Rotary efficiency - from j. helffrich
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: "j. helffrich" <girolamous@yahoo.com> Subject: RX8 Rotary efficiency Hi Guys, This is something I know about. The inherent problem with a rotary is that the crescent-shaped combustion chamber has too much surface area for its size. In this configuration, the combustion gases are always near metal and can't get hot. Hot equals efficiency (ala Carnot) and so the max efficiency will never be as good as 6 can-shaped chambers. Spheres would be best, but then which part would move? Regards, Jerry Jerry Helffrich __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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#4. Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:58:55 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment In a message dated 11/14/2005 1:52:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, cteague@cox.net writes: But if so, just add the appropriate spacer. If not, you are all set. ahh, should not have sold my 5mm spacers a few years ago ;-( Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RX8? - from Roy Kao
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:54 -0500 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Surprised the 350Z is not on the list? To me, the 350Z is probably spiritually closer to the E36 M3 and with the number of both cars and enthusiasts out there, it would be a candidate for me if I were to replace my M3 track car. Another bonus: NISMO has a very healthy catalogue of goodies available through dealers... However, now that there are cars like the (hopefully) soon to be available Z4 M Coupe and the Porsche Cayman S, we're really spoilt for choice for track cars! -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue On 11/14/05, E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> wrote: > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > > Close, but not quite :-) > > Street cars: > E36M3 > E39M5 > Z06 > E46330i > CTS-V > > Race / track cars: > '89 IROC - had for 10 years > '91 Corvette - had for 6 years and still own > > I am re-evaluating my track-use and trying to decide if owning a dedicated track car plus the associated tow rig and trailer is really worth it. I've been in that mode for more than 10 years and with the amount I get to the track (4-5 times / year) the strategy of a dedicated race car _ tow rig is making less and less sense. Especially since the C4 is a very expensive car to campaign in a competitive road racing series and there is not much place to run it anyway other than SCCA ITE. And I really don't have the time / budget to go whole-hog down that road. > > So I am considering my alternatives if I dump the race car which include: > - street / track car capable of driving to/from events - such as E36 M3, RX8 or Sub sti > - run the CTS-V for track days > > running the CTS-V worries me because the car is worth a lot of coin and tracking can certainly cause some damage, plus the car does weigh 3850lbs so while the handling is quite amazing for such a heavy car, it still is a heavy car and will be eating tires among other things. Brakes are simply outstanding, however - 4-piston brembos with 14-14.5" rotors all round!! > > Either way, I'm keeping the CTS-V as my street car. Love it - fits all my daily driver needs quite well. > > Scott >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] RX8? - from Jon Phillips
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:59:37 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Anyone care to comment on the 350Z as a track car? I have yet to drive a 350Z, but have driven a G35 at speed, and found it plowed HORRENDOUSLY in slow corners. Understeer reared its ugly head much, much sooner than expected. How similar are the 350z and G35 chassis dynamics? Cayman S: Now THIS is car that looks incredible on paper. on 11/14/2005 2:41 PM Roy Kao said the following: >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:54 -0500 >From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > >Surprised the 350Z is not on the list? > >To me, the 350Z is probably spiritually closer to the E36 M3 and with >the number of both cars and enthusiasts out there, it would be a >candidate for me if I were to replace my M3 track car. Another bonus: >NISMO has a very healthy catalogue of goodies available through >dealers... > >However, now that there are cars like the (hopefully) soon to be >available Z4 M Coupe and the Porsche Cayman S, we're really spoilt for >choice for track cars! > > >
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#7. Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment - from dhogg
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:16:54 -0500 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment The good news to Chris's post about tires rubbing either inside or outside is that, though this is true, both conditions self-correct! Dave Hogg
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#8. RE: [E36M3] RX8? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RX8? Agreed - quite different opinions over there!! That said, the E36 platform is still a great one for a dual purpose street / track toy and I am still considering that direction if I move away from the dedicated race car. But this time I'll get a coupe, Dave. Scott Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:49:28 -0800 From: "Dave DeBuhr" Subject: RE: [E36M3] RX8? In all fairness, I would ask this question on an RX8 list too. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Chester Wong [mailto:chester_p_wong@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 9:42 AM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:34:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Wasn't it you who did something like: E36M3 E39M5 E36M3 Corvette E36M3 ?? So here we go again? Well, if you do get a RX-8, we'll see ya back in a few months ;) Chester --- Scott McClung wrote: > Has anyone here considered moving to (or has moved to) an RX8 as a dual > porpose street / track car? Seems to be a very equivalent if not better > handling car to the E36 M3, considering same HP, slightly less weight > (3000lbs), similar tires sizes, and evidence by the fact that 8 out of the > top 9 finishers in Topeka in BS were driving them. Considering the E36 is > now a 15 year old platform and is getting to an age where maint and repairs > becomes a significant factor, and the RX8 is a brand new model with full > warrantee it seems like it would be an attractive option. Yes, I realize it > is butt-ugly :-) But wondering if anyone has considering going that route or > has gone that route from a previous E36 M3 DE type of track toy + street > sports car. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#9. RE: [E36M3] RX8? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: RE: [E36M3] RX8? You know what that means: EXPENSIVE Mods are next!! ;-) Scott Dave DeBuhr <debuhr@comcast.net> wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:03:14 -0800 From: "Dave DeBuhr" Subject: RE: [E36M3] RX8? I have to agree with this statement. The performance and potential of the Evo is undeniable. The only things that scare me are the bone jarring ride that the rags all talk about and the longevity of small, high output turbo 4-bangers. The thing that really sold me on the E36M3 was the way it rides relatively softly with significant body roll, yet still just slices through corners with lotsa grip. I've driven lots of performance cars and nothing even comes close in this regard. The E36 M3 is an alien freak. I love it! BTW, just installed my Rogue Octane and WSR and it is awesome! Nice smooth precise shifts with a solid feel and stock like shift effort. I didn't think it was possible after screwing around with shifters on my C5. I'm running out of cheap mods... :( Dave 98 M3/4 >FWIW: If I had to own just a single car at this point, I'd be torn >between an E36 M3 and an Evo. ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] RX8? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:22:57 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? 350Z is quite a bit heavier, right? What drew me to the RX8 was the 3000lb weight. Hell, the Mazdaspeed miata would be an even better choice if it were not a ragtop (minor detail, right?) And the Cayman S is what, $60K? Double almost triple the price. The RX8 can be had for below $25K brand new right now, hence my interest. STI / EVO are also interesting but a little more $$. And I worry about Mitsu poor record of warrantee repair. What got me thinking along these lines was it would probably run somewhere between $16-18K to build a decent M3 track car, maybe as high as $20K, but the RX8 at $25K is brand new with a 4 year warrantee, and can also be had for outstanding lease rates for what I term as - rent-a-racer :-) This would not be a daily driver at all for me. CTS-V all the way there. Scott Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:54 -0500 From: Roy Kao Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Surprised the 350Z is not on the list? To me, the 350Z is probably spiritually closer to the E36 M3 and with the number of both cars and enthusiasts out there, it would be a candidate for me if I were to replace my M3 track car. Another bonus: NISMO has a very healthy catalogue of goodies available through dealers... However, now that there are cars like the (hopefully) soon to be available Z4 M Coupe and the Porsche Cayman S, we're really spoilt for choice for track cars! -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue On 11/14/05, E36M3 wrote: > > -------------------- 1 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) > From: Scott McClung > Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > > Close, but not quite :-) > > Street cars: > E36M3 > E39M5 > Z06 > E46330i > CTS-V > > Race / track cars: > '89 IROC - had for 10 years > '91 Corvette - had for 6 years and still own > > I am re-evaluating my track-use and trying to decide if owning a dedicated track car plus the associated tow rig and trailer is really worth it. I've been in that mode for more than 10 years and with the amount I get to the track (4-5 times / year) the strategy of a dedicated race car _ tow rig is making less and less sense. Especially since the C4 is a very expensive car to campaign in a competitive road racing series and there is not much place to run it anyway other than SCCA ITE. And I really don't have the time / budget to go whole-hog down that road. > > So I am considering my alternatives if I dump the race car which include: > - street / track car capable of driving to/from events - such as E36 M3, RX8 or Sub sti > - run the CTS-V for track days > > running the CTS-V worries me because the car is worth a lot of coin and tracking can certainly cause some damage, plus the car does weigh 3850lbs so while the handling is quite amazing for such a heavy car, it still is a heavy car and will be eating tires among other things. Brakes are simply outstanding, however - 4-piston brembos with 14-14.5" rotors all round!! > > Either way, I'm keeping the CTS-V as my street car. Love it - fits all my daily driver needs quite well. > > Scott > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#11. Re: [E36M3] RX8? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:34 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? 3255lbs for the 350Z track edition. And $34K sticker and not sure how much discount is available - invoice is $31K. For that price, in fact cheaper - you can get an STI or Evo. I was putting the RX8 into the next price point lower category. Clearly at the $30K range the STI or Evo is going to walk all over an RX8 or a 350Z on the track. But that is more than I really wanted to spend on a pure "toy". $15-20K would be better, but I was willing to consider stretching it to $25K to pick up a new car w/ 4yr warrantee because that could save some major cash. Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> wrote:Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:59:37 -0800 From: Jon Phillips Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? Anyone care to comment on the 350Z as a track car? I have yet to drive a 350Z, but have driven a G35 at speed, and found it plowed HORRENDOUSLY in slow corners. Understeer reared its ugly head much, much sooner than expected. How similar are the 350z and G35 chassis dynamics? Cayman S: Now THIS is car that looks incredible on paper. on 11/14/2005 2:41 PM Roy Kao said the following: >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:54 -0500 >From: Roy Kao >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > >Surprised the 350Z is not on the list? > >To me, the 350Z is probably spiritually closer to the E36 M3 and with >the number of both cars and enthusiasts out there, it would be a >candidate for me if I were to replace my M3 track car. Another bonus: >NISMO has a very healthy catalogue of goodies available through >dealers... > >However, now that there are cars like the (hopefully) soon to be >available Z4 M Coupe and the Porsche Cayman S, we're really spoilt for >choice for track cars! > > > ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#12. Re: [E36M3] Aftermarket Radio's with AAC - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Aftermarket Radio's with AAC Hi, I have a Kenwood unit. It's 1.5 years old so I know they don't make it anymore. With the Siruis and iPOD module it works great. I never use the MP3 playback option. I just load up the iPOD. It's much easier. Kent > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:56:37 -0500 > From: <cteague@cox.net> > Subject: Aftermarket Radio's with AAC > > Last week a few people recommended the Alpine 98xx series head units to > replace the stock C33 unit. > > I'm willing to give up the CD changer so I can get something that I can > hook up an iPod to. The Dension unit costs near the same as a new head > unit. > > But I'd like something that will also play AAC files, not just MP3's or > WMA format. I see Kenwood, and others have AAC playback and iPod hookup. > > What is a good aftermarked head unit to replace my C33 (97 M3) with the > following requirements: > > 1) Looks as close to OEM as possible in style > 2) iPod hookup (Aux input or direct iPod connection OK) > 3) Plays AAC format files from a CD-R > > thanks! > > Chris > 97 M3/4 > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >