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#1. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 RX8? - from Scott McClung
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:39:10 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 RX8? Yeah - I think I'd trade -300lbs for an older suspension design for a track car. Weight is so important - less power the motor has to make, less work for the brakes, tires, etc. Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:22:00 -0500 From: Roy Kao Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 RX8? I had a '99 M Coupe along with the M3 for about 2 years...and I actually have a tinge of regret of selling the M Coupe and not the M3! The car was such a blast not only because of its 'entertainment' value with the older rear suspension, but I found the car more adjustable using the throttle than the M3. But by nature, I prefer a car that is neutral or biased towards slight oversteer under power so the M Coupe was great for that. And I never had the chance to try out the Nurburgring rear spoiler found on E36 Z3/M Coupes that have competed at the classic 24 hours event, I bet it would've done wonders for its stability at the limit. -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > > -------------------- 10 -------------------- > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:53:27 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar > Subject: Re: [e36m3] Re: [E36M3] RX8? > > On Nov 14, 2005, at 11:41 PM, Scott M wrote: > > Can't be that bad, I've seen plenty of E30 M3's that were as fast > > or faster > > than E36 M3's even tho down 50+ hp and more torque. > > They weigh 300 lbs less. Ask me how I know. > > The M-Coupe is a great example of a car that weighs in at E36-levels > but has the E30 rear suspension. It's, umm, not super-well regarded > at the limit. > > - Mark > E36 325is JP #117 > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net > > Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. RE: [E36M3] Track cars - from James Clay
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:12:43 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Track cars Or try an E36 325 if you want to stick with a BMW. With a good driver it should be almost the fastest car on the track in any given school weekend. And it is not nearly as frustrating as driving a power car that passes on the straights, gets 1-2 turns before it is sucked up to someone else's bumper. Easily built for $10k, add a 280+ horse M3 engine for $3500 ballpark if you have to have more power in the future, or engines are about $500 for these too now - if you dig. And if you ever decide to go race, this will fit nicely into a class! James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#3. RE: RX8 now Cayman S - from Alan Leung
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:04:44 -0600 From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: RX8 now Cayman S While I have always secretly hoped that the Boxster would be made in hardtop form I have a feeling that the Cayman is a bit on the "too little too late" side. A boxster can be had for more reasonable price now but as a convertible it's not very trackworthy. While the Cayman is a dream come true at 60G new it's got to be a street/occasional-track car and it'll be years before the price will come down enough for dedicated track use. At that pirce range the new Z06 should hands down be the best new choice for track. I think the Cayman is a very handsome car but with only 295 hp it's very hard to make the math work. Alan >-------------------- 6 -------------------- >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:59:37 -0800 >From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > >Anyone care to comment on the 350Z as a track car? I have yet to drive a >350Z, but have driven a G35 at speed, and found it plowed HORRENDOUSLY >in slow corners. Understeer reared its ugly head much, much sooner than >expected. How similar are the 350z and G35 chassis dynamics? > >Cayman S: Now THIS is car that looks incredible on paper. > >on 11/14/2005 2:41 PM Roy Kao said the following: > > >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:54 -0500 > >From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [E36M3] RX8? > > > >Surprised the 350Z is not on the list? > > > >To me, the 350Z is probably spiritually closer to the E36 M3 and with > >the number of both cars and enthusiasts out there, it would be a > >candidate for me if I were to replace my M3 track car. Another bonus: > >NISMO has a very healthy catalogue of goodies available through > >dealers... > > > >However, now that there are cars like the (hopefully) soon to be > >available Z4 M Coupe and the Porsche Cayman S, we're really spoilt for > >choice for track cars!
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#4. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 RX8? - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:23:53 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 RX8? On Nov 15, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Roy Kao wrote: > I had a '99 M Coupe along with the M3 for about 2 years...and I > actually have a tinge of regret of selling the M Coupe and not the M3! > The car was such a blast not only because of its 'entertainment' > value with the older rear suspension, but I found the car more > adjustable using the throttle than the M3. But by nature, I prefer a > car that is neutral or biased towards slight oversteer under power so > the M Coupe was great for that. I don't disagree with you about the fun-to-drive bit, but in terms of absolute speed the modern rear suspension is going to win. There's a reason that the Z4 handles SO SO SO much better than the Z3, in spite of being much harder on the eyes. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#5. Re: [E36M3] RE: RX8 now Cayman S - from Jon Phillips
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:24:39 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: RX8 now Cayman S True enough, re., your Z06 vs Cayman S comparo. But I wasn't even beginning to factor in price. In fact, I wasn't even looking at horsepower or potential track times when I mentioned the Cayman. The Cayman interests me because it's a mid-engined car with (apparently) incredible chassis rigidity. Reportedly, it bears all of the Boxter's best pure driving qualities, but also erases the Boxter's handling foibles. For me, it's more about fun factor and steering feel than track times... I have heard that while Corvettes can be made to go blindingly fast, they do so with a dead steering feel and feedback. The book on Boxsters, meanwhile, is that they have great steering feel, weighting, feedback, etc, but that they plow too much out of the box. I figure a well-tuned Cayman -- or maybe even a stock Cayman -- should correct this. Anyhow, add in the "luxury" refinement and comfort of a $60K car, and the Cayman becomes a very intriguing dual-purpose street/track car. on 11/15/2005 9:11 AM Alan Leung said the following: > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:04:44 -0600 > From: "Alan Leung" <alanleung100@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: RX8 now Cayman S > > While I have always secretly hoped that the Boxster would be made in > hardtop form I have a feeling that the Cayman is a bit on the "too > little too late" side. A boxster can be had for more reasonable price > now but as a convertible it's not very trackworthy. While the Cayman > is a dream come true at 60G new it's got to be a > street/occasional-track car and it'll be years before the price will > come down enough for dedicated track use. At that pirce range the new > Z06 should hands down be the best new choice for track. I think the > Cayman is a very handsome car but with only 295 hp it's very hard to > make the math work. > > Alan > >> >> >> Cayman S: Now THIS is car that looks incredible on paper. >
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Track cars - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:30:19 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track cars On Nov 15, 2005, at 8:51 AM, James Clay wrote: > Or try an E36 325 if you want to stick with a BMW. With a good driver > it should be almost the fastest car on the track in any given school > weekend. And it is not nearly as frustrating as driving a power car > that passes on the straights, gets 1-2 turns before it is sucked up to > someone else's bumper. Easily built for $10k, add a 280+ horse M3 > engine for $3500 ballpark if you have to have more power in the > future, > or engines are about $500 for these too now - if you dig. And if you > ever decide to go race, this will fit nicely into a class! I could not agree more! We are having a ton of fun out here in JP. Lots of really close racing. Here's some of my in-car from the Laguna club race a couple of weeks back: http://www.dadgar.com/gallery/racing/laguna10-05/ CRLaguna10-05SundayRace1.mov http://www.dadgar.com/gallery/racing/laguna10-05/ CRLaguna10-05SundayRace2.mov Quicktime 7 required (H.264 codec). You can get that free from http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download I qualified 14 of 38 on Saturday, ahead of a bunch of bigger motor (ie IP and CM) cars. Naturally, they motored off into the distance when the green dropped and (also due to some stupidity on my part) I finished 24th. That race set the grid for both starts on Sunday, unfortunately, so I ended up starting farther back than I normally would. Laguna really rewards HP. Anyway, see if you can spot the part in race 2 that got my heart rate up. - Mark E36 325is JP #117 ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#7. Re: [E36M3] Track cars - from Jack - Elephant Motorsports
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:45:15 -0500 From: Jack - Elephant Motorsports <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Track cars That's for sure! I raced my JS E30 M3 for 3 years (as well as schools and lapping days) and had more fun than in any other car I've driven. Course I went from that car (2750# no driver, ~200hp) to my CM car (2550# no driver, ~350hp) so the change was significant. The CM car is sooooo much fun to drive, the power is incredible. Punch the gas and squirt by so many other cars. Real tires, brakes....quite a package. But I never had more fun than driving the E30 M3, especially in schools. This past year I drove my essentially stock E30 M3 in a couple driver schools and as usual, was driving all over E36 and E46 M3's. And it's even more fun on Toyo's. It is DEFINITELY more fun to drive a slower car fast than the other way 'round. IMO. As James said, I'm dying to get into an E36 325 because it offers so much for so little. And you can always do more to it if you get bored. Right now I'm building a SpecE30 car to go have some cheap fun. Still looking for the right E36 325 though. Jack Money Elephant Motorsports http://www.elephantmotorsports.com On 11/15/05, Jonathan Evans <jonathanevans@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
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#8. RE: ABS/ASC Light - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:39:44 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: ABS/ASC Light At 11:41 AM 11/15/2005, you wrote: >My ABS/ASC light is on steady. This first occurred when I replaced the >strut bearings and snagged the ABS wire on the driver's front. I replaced >that wire, and the problem went away but just for a while. Shortly >afterwards I was on a long trip, and both lights came back on. I visually >checked the wires, and all looks ok. > >Is there a way to determine which wire or other component is bad by >scanning, etc.? > >Regards, >Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Wire no. Component or component connected TO a wire - yes. The diagnostics for the ABS/ASC are detailed to the component level. Trick will be getting it to a scanner that does that. If you were near NJ I'd say come on over.. I have about 8 of them now (for the Roundel article..) but I think 413 area-code is probably a tad out of reach. If you can find one - look for a shop with an Autologic diagnostics device - it seems to be the most comprehensive I've tested so far, although a Baum I-Scan would be good as would X431. The SnapOn Sonus (their newest) is really quite limited compared to these. HTH, Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S
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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: RX8 now Cayman S - from docwyte@comcast.net
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:52:49 +0000 From: docwyte@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: RX8 now Cayman S What math? With 295hp, the Cayman does 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds. That's plenty fast. -------------- Original message -------------- > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:04:44 -0600 > From: "Alan Leung" > track. I think the Cayman is a very handsome car but with only 295 hp it's > very hard to make the math work. > > Alan >
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#10. Re: ABS/ASC Light - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:00:06 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: ABS/ASC Light Thanks Don, Unfortunately with gas prices as they are, it might be cheaper to pay someone to fix it, rather than drive to NJ. I do appreciate the offer though! Would the BMW dealer have the right diagnostic tools? At least the scanner will tell me which wheel the problem is at, even if not whether it is the wire or not, correct? Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams