E36M3 #4546

Wednesday, November 16, 2005 18:02:43

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. ABS Code Check - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#2. Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment - from Jim Bassett
#3. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Roy Kao
#4. Code dE "Time to closed loop temp too long" - from Patrick Goss - PA
#5. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Mark Dadgar
#6. Request - for editing.. - from Don Eilenberger
#7. e30 vs e36 - from tim ng
#8. Re: [E36M3] e30 vs e36 - from Mark Dadgar
#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant - from Dave Thomas
#10. Tech Website -has anyone used it ? - from B Stoll
#11. private track day THill 12-06 - from Scott McClung

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#1. ABS Code Check - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:10:38 -0500 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: ABS Code Check Group, Anyone know of an independent shop with a tool to check the ABS codes in Atlanta, area? Checking in before I took it to the dealer. Secondly, is there a tool I can purchase to read the codes (I know Peake does not but...) Thanks in advance. Ahmad

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#2. Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:16:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] wheel fitment On Mon, November 14, 2005 2:01 pm, Mdriver13@aol.com said: > ahh, should not have sold my 5mm spacers a few years ago ;-( Well, if you think you might need a pair, I may still have ones that I took off the race car (using a 10mm hubcentric spacer now). And to add my own data point, I too have been running stock rear 8.5" wheels up front, for 5-6 years now. No problems under stock suspension and w/Koni SAs. Multiple tire brands (MXX3s, SO-3s, AVS Sports, Pilot Sports). If you're unsure if this will work on your particular set-up (like I was initially), you can swap the staggered wheels F<->R and go for a short drive to check. Just beware the OVERsteer :-) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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#3. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Roy Kao
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:30:55 -0500 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Back in the days when the E36 M3 was then the 'new' M3, there was an article written by Jay Jones in the "Bimmer" magazine that alluded to the fact that instructors who had students, especially rookie to intermediate students, driving E36 M3 'armed' with R-compounds were getting motion sickness at Laguna Seca schools, attesting to the high limits these cars had on a track with great elevation changes. And there was an earlier article in Roundel that examined why there were a higher percentage of HPDE school incidents involving E36 M3s where the damage were greater than other types of BMWs. I think Jon's comment points to these 2 articles exactly and why many instructors believe that the E30 is a better platform to instruct students with, because of the higher 'butt feel' factor. I personally enjoy instructing students in all types of cars, as much a learning process for me as any of my students in understanding how the different cars behave and react on the track. -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > > I have instructed quite a few E36 drivers and I will say, "did you feel > that" just after the rear got light a little or started to slip. 9 times out > of 10 they will say: "huh? no." >

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#4. Code dE "Time to closed loop temp too long" - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:47:01 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: Code dE "Time to closed loop temp too long" Group, Any takers on this one? The CEL came on, then went off 4 starts/3days later, temp gauge was indicating cold, (unconfirmed stuck thermostat perhaps), then op temp went back to normal, then not (cold), then normal. A week later after daily driving the light came on again to point of code scan last night with peak tool. Reset it of course and idled in driveway for a few minutes, no CEL repeat yet. Have new thermo, aluminum housing and gaskets ready to throw in tonight if time permits. Also grabbed an 80C fan switch and thermo to do a delete fan since I was getting a thermo anyway. I don't understand what this code report means. Do I really have a stuck (or perhaps sticky) thermostat. I did bleed the system and found very minimal air, and noted coolant levels to be where they should be. BTW, what color should aged BMW coolant look like? Blue, Green, Rose, or Merlot? I am not sure what the PO put in this M. Patrick Goss 97 M3/4

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#5. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:47:41 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix On Nov 16, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Roy Kao wrote: > And there was an earlier article in Roundel that examined why there > were a higher percentage of HPDE school incidents involving E36 M3s > where the damage were greater than other types of BMWs. Ahh, no. It's because when the student makes a mistake, and they WILL make mistakes, they are going much faster in an E36 M3 than they used to in an E30. It's the same reason why most of the current incidents involve E46 M3s. You are going SERIOUSLY fast in that car, so recoveries are harder and incidents are more severe. > I think Jon's comment points to these 2 articles exactly and why many > instructors believe that the E30 is a better platform to instruct > students with, because of the higher 'butt feel' factor. I think it's a truism that instructors like to instruct in slower cars because the student can approach "the edge" with much less dire consequences when they run out of talent. It is the very, very rare student (below the A group anyway), that has that finely-calibrated a butt. - Mark, been there, done that ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar

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#6. Request - for editing.. - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:51:21 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: Request - for editing.. At 02:41 PM 11/16/2005, everyone wrote: >E36M3 List - Forum for Discussion of E36M3 Series Automobiles Not to be a nag.. and Susy owns this list and I have nothing official at all to do with it, just appreciate it being here.. Folks - especially those in individual message mode - do you think you could do a bit of editing when doing a reply to a message here? The last digest I got was more than 1/2 taken up with two messages which each quoted two more levels of messages (and the accompanying end text from the mailing list..) A bit of effort in removing unneeded quoted material would make the digest a lot smaller and a lot more readable. It really makes it tedious to read. I know I could switch to individual message mode and it probably wouldn't be such a bother - but I suspect I'm not the only one subscribed in digest mode (am I?) Thanks! Ms. Inet Manners.. AKA: Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S

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#7. e30 vs e36 - from tim ng
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:51:57 -0500 From: "tim ng" <s14realm3@hotmail.com> Subject: e30 vs e36 the cost of running e30 is still cheaper than a e36. You can easily build a very good e30 325is track car for $3-4000. brakes and tires are cheaper. I am running one now in between fixing my e30 m3 a friiend of mine learned how to drive and race on a 1976 2002 ITB car with a locked diff. If you can drive that thing fast, you can drive ANYTHING with more h.p. faster. I think what Jack M. said about e30 drivers are true partly b/c we know e30 chassis are cheap and if we ball it up, so what, there is another one to be had for $500. e30 chassis allow the driver to toss the car. I have driven both my e30 and e36 on track and the e36 just feels heavier as it is. Tim Ng 95 BUZZNM3 92 325ic M-Technic 91 M3 street car 88 M3/2.5 DM race car 87 325is D.E. car ------------------ CAR FOR SALE 90 325ica 90 535ia ------------------ Pace shadow 26 ft enclosed trailer my web page: http://groups.msn.com/M3stuff/pictures

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#8. Re: [E36M3] e30 vs e36 - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:05:06 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] e30 vs e36 On Nov 16, 2005, at 2:01 PM, tim ng wrote: > I have driven both my e30 and e36 on track and the e36 just feels > heavier as it is. Uhh, that would be because it's heavier. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar

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#9. Re: [E36M3] RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant - from Dave Thomas
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:08:18 -0800 From: Dave Thomas <dave@sasdatalink.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 04:41 -0500, Burgess, Kim L wrote: > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:33:59 -0800 > From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> > Subject: RE: Window Rubber Seal Lubricant > > While "Gummi Pflege" is infact 'NLA' at the local 'toy' store, from what > I can tell "Gummi-Pflege", might be more of a generic term for this > 'lubricant'. "Gummi-Pflege" is avaliable from several of the 'on-line' > sources, I found some at Pelican Parts. > > KLB I just got a bottle of the 'gummi' that Pelican Parts sells and it was worth every dime. It made a huge improvement to all the seals...and it has a very pleasant smell ;-) Its a small bottle with a sponge applicator tip and should be enough to last a multi car family for quite a long time. FWIW: "Gummi Pflege" translates to "rubber maintains". Dave

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#10. Tech Website -has anyone used it ? - from B Stoll
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:53:19 -0800 (PST) From: B Stoll <m3tec@yahoo.com> Subject: Tech Website -has anyone used it ? Gruppe, Check this out: http://www.bmwtechinfo.com/ I searched the archives, but found no reference to it. Anyone here ever use it ?? Thanks, Bob 98 M3/4 with intermittent dead battery --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

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#11. private track day THill 12-06 - from Scott McClung
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: Scott McClung <smlists@pacbell.net> Subject: private track day THill 12-06 A group that I run with is trying to set up a private track day at THill for Tuesday 12-06. We are short about 10 people. This is for experienced track drivers only who have run THill - there will be no instruction. The format is 2 run groups, 15 cars each and plenty of track time in a low key atmosphere, break for lunch. All for $175. If anyone is interested, please let me know ASAP. We need to commit by this Friday. Scott

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