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#1. Snow Wheels - from James Clay
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:00:09 -0500 From: "James Clay" <james@bimmerworld.com> Subject: Snow Wheels We have a few sets of Team Dynamics 16x7 wheels in stock. They are cheap, lightweight, strong, and clear a 332mm brake kit with no spacers! And 16" snow tires are cheap also... James Clay http://www.bimmerworld.com <http://www.bimmerworld.com/> http://www.bimmerworldracing.com <http://www.bimmerworldracing.com/> Engineered BMW Performance 540.639.9648
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Only 8 posts since 8:00 am this morning? - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:00:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Only 8 posts since 8:00 am this morning? That new butt cushion doesn't give me any seat of the pants feel!! > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:13:35 -0500 > From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> > Subject: Only 8 posts since 8:00 am this morning? > > Unacceptable!!! > > I wonder what the debate will be about 20 years from now? "Some > old-timers > that can't let go of the E90 M3s"? "Why the E135 Coupe's "auto-drive > function while driver sleeps isn't very involving"? "Why Alcantara tires > are totally pimp"? "The new seven series - why it's mind-drive is too > geeky". > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#3. Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Gerry Low
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:01:49 -0500 From: Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Roy, The DSC should be left on. Gerry Roy Kao said: So here's a question: how do we as instructors adapt to these ever faster cars to better instruct students of all levels to make sure that both we and the students get to go home in one piece after a school?
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, etc) - from Roy Kao
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:13:32 -0500 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, etc) Chester, I for one am thrilled if each successive new model/generation of a BMW model brings more owners to the track, it's the only way to ensure vitality of the CCA driving school programs across the country. But as an instructor (and I assume organizers & chief instructors of HPDE events feel the same), I'd like to know how we can most effectively ensure that your prediction of more mayhem and destruction with the introduction of the E90 M3 does not becoming the reality. That's the focus of my question. Lastly, I don't necessarily think that the E30 M3 crowd is different than the E36 M3 crowd and is different than the E46 M3 crowd. That may be true when a new model is in its first year, but we're all BMW enthusiasts in our bones. -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue On 11/17/05, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > I think we should all remember that the newer models tend to bring individuals > who have never been on the track to the marque. > > I remember when I got my E36M3 back in '98, I had no idea how to drive > (probably still don't) and had lots to learn. At the same time, the geezers > with the E30s already had their car for how long? Or if they were fellow E36M3 > owners but with a dedicated E30 track car, that already shows that they were > experienced and wanted the cheaper route. When the E46M3 came out, you had a > ton of young people buy them for one reason or another and start showing up at > the track. These are the guys who show up at car meets with the latest digital > cameras and video recorders....a completely different culture than the E36M3 > crowd (as I'm sure the E36M3 crowd was different than the E30M3 crowd), IMO. > > So...when the E90M3 comes out, I'm sure there will be a lot of rich, skill-less > drivers showing up at driver schools and, yes, they will crash and have > off-road excursions...and the consequence of damage will be even higher because > the car will be even more powerful, etc. > > Chester
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, etc) - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:40:11 -0500 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, etc) >Lastly, I don't necessarily think that the E30 M3 crowd is different >than the E36 M3 crowd and is different than the E46 M3 crowd. That >may be true when a new model is in its first year, but we're all BMW >enthusiasts in our bones. Roy, they're plenty different. :-) Ever see an E30 guy putting blue painter's tape all over their car? How about an E46 guy? ;-) You're right though, deep down we're all car nuts, doesn't matter if you drive a BMW or not. -Carlos.
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, - from Jon Phillips
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:47:49 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, etc) I will concur with Chester on this one (thought not necessarily disagree with Roy!): I have seen significant differences between E30, E36, and E46 M3 drivers at HPDEs. In the Bay Area, I think it is hard to find an E30 m3 driver who isn't pretty damn fast and composed. The E30 drivers seem that much more experienced, and not because they "came up" with the E30. No, I think they're more experienced because they "arrived" at the E30. They have already driven their fair share of horsepower cars, and have come to the conclusion that they want lightness and a certain "transparency" in respect to chassis dynamics. Still speaking in sweeping generalizations, the E36 drivers are like me: They bought an E36 as their first real performance car, the payoff of having a "real career" in the late 90s. They cut their teeth on the E36. They were track nuisances 3-4 years ago, but now they're pretty composed, if only via the benefit of lots of seat time. If anything, they're more like e30 drivers because they've reached the driving maturity levels of E30 drivers. ALSO: Many e36 drivers *are* E30 drivers -- how many bimmer enthusiasts have given up on e30 maintenance/headaches and have gone to e36s? This alone create a continuity between E30/E36 driver experience and attitudes. Now, the E46 m3: A lot of really fast drivers *might* have bought them, but the porky curb weight and barge-like chassis dynamics have kept the upper-echelon drivers away. E36ers see no reason to upgrade, and E30ers wouldn't think of it. This leaves the car being the defacto vehicle of the rich, impetuous, dot-com set. Here's my math: Lots of inpexperienced drivers + horsepower + driving aids imparting a false sense of security = offs, spins, craziness. As for the E90, I don't think it will sell to young, impetuous types. The price is going up (yes?), it looks like a geezer car, and there are too many hot alternatives (like the Evo). This will skew the car older, and -- correct me if I'm wrong -- older drivers tend to be a bit more careful, and respectful of instructor input. End rant. on 11/17/2005 5:21 PM Roy Kao said the following: > >Lastly, I don't necessarily think that the E30 M3 crowd is different >than the E36 M3 crowd and is different than the E46 M3 crowd. That >may be true when a new model is in its first year, but we're all BMW >enthusiasts in our bones. > >-- >Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > >On 11/17/05, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>When the E46M3 came out, you had a >>ton of young people buy them for one reason or another and start showing up at >>the track. These are the guys who show up at car meets with the latest digital >>cameras and video recorders....a completely different culture than the E36M3 >>crowd (as I'm sure the E36M3 crowd was different than the E30M3 crowd), IMO. >> >>Chester >> >>
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#7. FS pt. 2 - from driver8 ///M3
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:31:16 -0800 (PST) From: driver8 ///M3 <driver8m3@yahoo.com> Subject: FS pt. 2 dang it, i forgot to mention that i also still have a set of wheels from my E36 for sale. ATP Contour look-a-likes, all four are 8.5x17. three of them have worn tires mounted. they dont look great, but are in fairly decent condition. $200 for the set. if you're near me i'll deliver or meet half way. i'm in millersville, md. someone must need some winter wheels... thanks, russell
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#8. Stiff steering - from Michael, Dave
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:18:15 -0500 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: Stiff steering Folks Recently, my car has exhibited what, for lack of a better term, I call "stiff steering " * The steering occasionally feels like it almost gets "stuck" - there is no return to center function * A quick left right jiggle of the wheel will cause the above behavior to stop * The entire range of motion can go "stiff", but again, a quick left right motion will make it go away. BUT it will do so ONLY within the range of the quick left right motion. The stroke outside of that range remains "stiff". I checked the PS fluid and it is at the correct level. I fear I need a new rack....... Ideas? Thanks! Dave 90 200QA 98 m3/4 02 MCS
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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Stiff steering - from marco
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:17:28 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Stiff steering could be the pump too. I had similar symptoms on my racecar. Somehow my mechanic clamped off one of the hose to see if it felt any different w/o the pump as a test. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Michael, Dave [mailto:Dave_Michael@maxtor.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:22 AM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Stiff steering Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:18:15 -0500 From: "Michael, Dave" <Dave_Michael@maxtor.com> Subject: Stiff steering Folks Recently, my car has exhibited what, for lack of a better term, I call "stiff steering " * The steering occasionally feels like it almost gets "stuck" - there is no return to center function * A quick left right jiggle of the wheel will cause the above behavior to stop * The entire range of motion can go "stiff", but again, a quick left right motion will make it go away. BUT it will do so ONLY within the range of the quick left right motion. The stroke outside of that range remains "stiff". I checked the PS fluid and it is at the correct level. I fear I need a new rack....... Ideas? Thanks! Dave 90 200QA 98 m3/4 02 MCS ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Roy Kao
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0500 From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Gerry, Really? With the DSC on? Are you being facetious or serious? The DSC, IMHO, will only serve to further mask the behaviour of the car on the track and give the student a stronger sense of invincibility as the car will save him/her 100% of the time. In a downpour (as we've experienced at Mosport or Tremblant before) is a different story, but in dry conditions, the DSC won't really let the student learn anything, again IMHO. -- Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue On 11/17/05, Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> wrote: > Roy, > The DSC should be left on. > Gerry > > Roy Kao said: > So here's a question: how do we as instructors adapt to these ever faster cars to better instruct students of all levels to make sure that both we and the students get to go home in one piece after a school? > > >