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#1. RE: [E36M3] Re: Stiff steering - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:50:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Re: Stiff steering Sure it is....*tapping temple* :) Parts you'll need: Part number Qty Description 32 31 1 157 968 1 Top Snap ring 32 31 1 158 835 1 Top plastic bearing 32 31 1 158 686 1 Lower metal bearing 32 31 1 116 374 1 Lower backup ring 32 33 1 156 895 1 Lower compression spring 32 31 1 112 959 1 Lower ring 32 31 1 113 566 1 Lower snap ring 32 31 1 160 255 2 Shear bolts The procedure is fairly straight forward and outlined in my previous post. - From underneath, disconnect the steering rack from the lower joint assembly. - Remove the lower joint assembly from the steering column. This will be tough because it most likely is seized on there. Wayne had a heck of a time removing it. - From the top, remove the steering wheel while involves a T28 torx bit (iirc) to remove the airbag and a 5/8" socket to remove the bolt that holds the steering wheel to the steering column. - Remove the steering column plastic shroud (there are two plastic expanding rivets) - Remove the lower dash panels - Locate shear bolts and grind a flat into the heads and remove with a flat screwdriver - Twist locking mechanism CCW to unlock and pull out steering column - Remove various snap rings and R&R appropriately. A wire brush on a die grinder does wonders for the surface rust. - Pack everything well with grease and reassemble. - Installation is the reverse. Good luck, Chester --- Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > Is this procedure documented anywhere that anyone knows about? > > I think I need to add this to my ever lengthening list of maintenance items > to perform this winter. My steering wheel started to squeak just last week.
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#2. Re: Stiff steering - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:53:04 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: Re: Stiff steering Hi Chris, I've installed the rack three times, so probably did it right... The first rebuilt rack blew the main seal on it's second day in the car, and robbed me of a track day. Then I put the original back in until I got the second rebuilt. I have also had it aligned (twice) and had them check for problems as well. Of course I never rule out the mechanic......he works really cheap :) Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Re: Stiff steering - from Hans Batra
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:05:14 -0500 From: "Hans Batra" <hansbatra@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Stiff steering My mechanic told me I had blown a seal...and I told him to stay out of my personal life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:01 PM Subject: [E36M3] Re: Stiff steering > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:53:04 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: Re: Stiff steering > > Hi Chris, > > I've installed the rack three times, so probably did it right... The first > rebuilt rack blew the main seal on it's second day in the car, and robbed me > of a track day. Then I put the original back in until I got the second > rebuilt. I have also had it aligned (twice) and had them check for problems > as well. Of course I never rule out the mechanic......he works really cheap > :) > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#4. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:11:44 -0500 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing >Did you have any rear brake pad left at the end? :) If Dave is referring to an E36 M3 it does not apply the brakes at high speeds. I think I discussed this with Neil M. recently and he said below 30-35mph (I forget the exact figure) is when it applies the brakes. Carlos.
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#5. Re: Stiff steering - from Rich Dorffer
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:15:39 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Stiff steering I would look very closely at the steering column univeral joint. Remove it, play with it by hand some, any issues would be obvious. They are known for locking up, I have seen it first hand on high mileage E36s. You normally will feel it at various spots in the rotation. Regards, Rich
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#6. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:21:26 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: >> Did you have any rear brake pad left at the end? :) > > If Dave is referring to an E36 M3 it does not apply the brakes at high > speeds. I think > I discussed this with Neil M. recently and he said below 30-35mph > (I forget > the exact figure) is > when it applies the brakes. Interesting. Some friends of mine took their new Cooper S to the GGC School at Thunderhill in August and they were on the backing plates in back by the end of the weekend. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#7. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from debuhr@comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:27:14 +0000 From: debuhr@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing What are brake pads? ;-) > Did you have any rear brake pad left at the end? :) > > - Mark
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#8. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from debuhr@comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:29:33 +0000 From: debuhr@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing My brakes held up fine with the exception of a soft pedal that I can't correct. Hawk HPS pads, ATE fluid. The rear pads were still fine at the end of the day. > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:21:26 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:11 AM, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: > >> Did you have any rear brake pad left at the end? :) > > > > If Dave is referring to an E36 M3 it does not apply the brakes at high > > speeds. I think > > I discussed this with Neil M. recently and he said below 30-35mph > > (I forget > > the exact figure) is > > when it applies the brakes. > > Interesting. Some friends of mine took their new Cooper S to the GGC > School at Thunderhill in August and they were on the backing plates > in back by the end of the weekend. > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net > > Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: > http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >
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#9. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Jon Phillips
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:31:45 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Damn! I did about 8-9 track days in the Elise this year, and my pads still look close to new... That's what 1,950 pounds and brakes suitable for a 3,200 pound car will give you! on 11/18/2005 10:21 AM Mark Dadgar said the following: > > Interesting. Some friends of mine took their new Cooper S to the GGC > School at Thunderhill in August and they were on the backing plates > in back by the end of the weekend. > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net
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#10. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:32:46 -0500 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing >Interesting. Some friends of mine took their new Cooper S to the GGC >School at Thunderhill in August and they were on the backing plates >in back by the end of the weekend. Yup on some cars that would be true, on the E36 it is not. The E36 has ASC not DSC. -Carlos.
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#11. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Mark Dadgar
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:34:18 -0800 From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com wrote: >> Interesting. Some friends of mine took their new Cooper S to the GGC >> School at Thunderhill in August and they were on the backing plates >> in back by the end of the weekend. > > Yup on some cars that would be true, on the E36 it is not. The E36 > has ASC > not DSC. Yup, excellent point. - Mark ----- mark@pdc-racing.net Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar
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#12. Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Diff between E30, E36 and E46 incidents (was track cars, Hi, > In the Bay Area, I think it is hard to find an E30 m3 driver who isn't > pretty damn fast and composed. The E30 drivers seem that much more > experienced, and not because they "came up" with the E30. No, I think > they're more experienced because they "arrived" at the E30. They have > already driven their fair share of horsepower cars, and have come to the > conclusion that they want lightness and a certain "transparency" in > respect to chassis dynamics. > I'll agree with this. Before my E30 I had driven some fast cars. I had done my share of AutoX with slower cars too. I bought my E30 M3 and held on to it for 11 years. I sold it to a member of the E30 SIG who promptly disassembled said car and did a ground up restoration. That reminds me, I need to call him so I can visit the old car. > Still speaking in sweeping generalizations, the E36 drivers are like me: > They bought an E36 as their first real performance car, the payoff of > having a "real career" in the late 90s. They cut their teeth on the E36. > They were track nuisances 3-4 years ago, but now they're pretty > composed, if only via the benefit of lots of seat time. If anything, > they're more like e30 drivers because they've reached the driving > maturity levels of E30 drivers. ALSO: Many e36 drivers *are* E30 drivers > -- how many bimmer enthusiasts have given up on e30 > maintenance/headaches and have gone to e36s? This alone create a > continuity between E30/E36 driver experience and attitudes. #1 reason for getting rid of my E30 was; at 15 years old it was starting to show its age. I had just done the steering hoses, starter, water pump and hoses, brakes, and then it develped an oil leak. I was finding myself sinking more and more good money into the car. I needed a M-car as a daily driver not a project. hence I sold the E30 and bought an E36. unfotunately, I have treated it like a project car. Euro lights, suspension, brake upgrades, intake, UUC exhaust, Samco hoses and on.... But I don't have any maint. issues. ;-) > > Now, the E46 m3: A lot of really fast drivers *might* have bought them, > but the porky curb weight and barge-like chassis dynamics have kept the > upper-echelon drivers away. E36ers see no reason to upgrade, and E30ers > wouldn't think of it. This leaves the car being the defacto vehicle of > the rich, impetuous, dot-com set. Here's my math: Lots of inpexperienced > drivers + horsepower + driving aids imparting a false sense of security > = offs, spins, craziness. I agree. I have friends with E46 cars. When I first drove a E36, I though this feels like my brothers 635 not my E30. The E46 is a big heavy beast. I'd rather sink $12K into my E36 for engine upgrades than buy the E46. Also YMMV, but the E36 looks better. > > As for the E90, I don't think it will sell to young, impetuous types. > The price is going up (yes?), it looks like a geezer car, and there are > too many hot alternatives (like the Evo). This will skew the car older, > and -- correct me if I'm wrong -- older drivers tend to be a bit more > careful, and respectful of instructor input. Yea, I'd like the new E90 when it comes out. The fact that I have children (twins) on the way permanently precludes and thoughts of buying that car. LOTTO anyone??? Oh, I'm 42, am I a geezer yet???? Kent