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#1. Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:25:23 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly on 11/18/05 2:06 PM, Chester Wong at chester_p_wong@yahoo.com wrote: > Anyway, about these top bolts, after having dropped a tranny many, many times A status I'm devoutly hoping never to achieve! > - Once the engine is tilted, I'm able to put my head where the drive shaft > usually is and carry a shop light with me. From here, I can shine the light > all the way down towards the front of the tranny and can spot the offensive > bolts. My setup consists of a 36" snap-on 3/8" extension that I paid a pretty > penny for. Some may laugh at me for spending $60 for an extension, but it has > served a useful purpose on this job many times over as well as enable me to > change my oil without every lifting the car. Armed with said extension with a > 3/8" universal that isn't so worn that it flops around madly and a e-torx bit > on the end, I'm able to thread the shaft from behind the tranny along the top > of the tranny and hit the bolt head. Once on the head, I can wiggle/rotate > the extension a bit and it will engage completely. Then with a nice 1/2" > breaker bar and a 1/2" --> 3/8" reducer, I can break off the offending bolts > rather easily. Yeah, that's very similar to what I worked out, except that my long 3/8" extension twisted so much that I ran out of handle angle, which is why I switched to the 1/2" instead. I have both so no big deal. Once I could get good torque applied they broke free easily enough. Maybe your 3/8" Snap-on brand extension is more, err, manly... >> Note: Early cars have non-threaded starters that require you to also to get >> a wrench onto nuts on the back of the starter under the intake manifold. >> Good luck with that - you may have to remove the manifold, a major job in >> itself. > Yeah, I can't even imagine having to do that with the nuts...yuck! O > wait...you have a bastard child and might have the nuts instead of the > threaded housing! EEK!! I think it was dumb luck. The Bastard Child is early enough that it should have had the dreaded nuts, but many years ago the starter failed and was replaced under warranty. The replacement has the threaded body. As the saying goes, it's better to be lucky than to be smart... Neil 96 M3
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#2. Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:36:51 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > Anyway, about these top bolts, after having dropped a tranny many, many > times > > A status I'm devoutly hoping never to achieve! Haha. Well, it was usually on other cars and there was only one time where I was kicking myself the whole way which was when I dropped the slave pin into the tranny on Don's car. HI DON! ...DUUUUDDDEEE!!! On my car, I had to do it twice when figuring out retrofitting the E34M5 flywheel. Slapped everything together and went to start the car and was greeted by large grinding noises. Got the ring gear issue resolved on the second try and it's been buttoned up ever since. Now Wayne's E46M3, on the other hand, that has been apart countless times with all the failed UUC clutch setups. He has the latest and greatest in there and so far it's been fine, but I'm thinking that the tranny will be dropped again next year...you know, doesn't everyone have an annual drop the tranny party? > I think it was dumb luck. The Bastard Child is early enough that it should > have had the dreaded nuts, but many years ago the starter failed and was > replaced under warranty. The replacement has the threaded body. As the > saying goes, it's better to be lucky than to be smart... Definitely pays to be lucky! :) Chester
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:39:32 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch R&R - Disassembly --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > But...here are some things I learned that might help someone else. > 1) Working alone and without a lift increases the time required for this job > exponentially. I can't tell you how many times I had to get out from under > the car to grab tools, to readjust the car's height or attitude (my own > attitude was mostly OK) or to reposition the jackstands because one was in > my way. Just to rub it in, yep....a lift will decrease times significantly. I think at Wayne's place, I'm able to get the tranny out from the time the car enters the service bay in about 1.5 hours. :) =P Chester
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#4. Re: [E36M3] Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:45:42 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Clutch R&R - Disassembly Haha! I know of a certain Mr. Miller who ridiculed me for getting a $250 Snap-On 1/4" electric torque wrench. I didn't have the heart to refuse tool use when he wanted to rebuild his brembo rotors and required some ridiculously small torque value :) In other areas, I'm very fortunate to have not had my $3500 Miller welder stolen the other day. I would have been fuming if it was since I never used it (yet) and my rear trailing arm mounts are still in need of a little TLC. Ugh. Chester --- Andrew Kalman <aek@pumpkininc.com> wrote: > Chester. > > Re: > > >Some may laugh at me for spending $60 for an extension, but it has > >served a useful purpose on this job many times over as well as enable me to > >change my oil without every lifting the car. > > None of us members of the Church of Amassing Tools Collections will > ever laugh at you for this. > > We understand.
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#5. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:47 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <GWESTON@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Cars with ASC have a button marked "ASC", Cars with DSC have a button marked "DSC". ;) ;) ;) But seriously. I'm pretty sure DSC was not introduced on the 3-series until the E46 in 2000. My MY01 X5 has DSC. Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Gus Iverson [mailto:gus.iverson@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 12:12 PM To: E36M3 Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:05:52 -0800 From: Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Next question - which cars have which system? On 11/18/05, Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:55:17 -0800 > From: Mark Dadgar <mark@pdc-racing.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 10:52 AM, Kent L. Shephard wrote: > >>> Yup on some cars that would be true, on the E36 it is not. The E36 > >>> has ASC > >>> not DSC. > > > > Can someone enlighten me on the differences? > > ASC is traction control. It will manage torque and rear wheelspin > but throttling the engine or braking both rear wheels. > > DSC is stability control. It will manage torque and brake single > rear wheels to control car attitude. > > - Mark > ----- > mark@pdc-racing.net ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#6. Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:09:29 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly on 11/18/05 2:20 PM, marco at m3driver@iname.com wrote: > Great write-up - only thing I would add is a impact wrench makes getting the > starter bolts on the early cars out fairly easy. Starting the bolts onto > the nuts is another story - what I did was use some super glue to hold the > nuts in place, CAREFULLY started the starter bolts, and then snugged them > down with the impact wrench set to it's lowest setting. My dealer mechanic says he gets the nuts back on by super gluing them to the end of his finger. He reaches down under the intake, gets them started and then yanks them free - ouch! I suggested he charge for new skin under "shop supplies." Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#7. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Smart A&*!! 8-) No seriously. I know how ASC works. I understand that. I know all about the aux. throttle body, etc. I just didn't understand what DSC is/was. Kent > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:47 -0700 > From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <GWESTON@lsil.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing > > Cars with ASC have a button marked "ASC", > Cars with DSC have a button marked "DSC". ;) ;) ;) > > But seriously. I'm pretty sure DSC was not introduced on the 3-series > until the E46 in 2000. > My MY01 X5 has DSC. > > Graeme
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Chester Wong
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly I think in Jim Powell's writeup, he superglued them to his latex glove. A bit smarter :) That super glue is nasty stuff....did I ever share the story of shooting super glue into my eye? :) Chester glad he was wearing contacts at the time... --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > My dealer mechanic says he gets the nuts back on by super gluing them to the > end of his finger. He reaches down under the intake, gets them started and > then yanks them free - ouch! > > I suggested he charge for new skin under "shop supplies."
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#9. RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing - from Weston-Lewis, Graeme
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:20:40 -0700 From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <GWESTON@lsil.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing DSC = electronic nanny = fun limiter. OTOH, I run the first session at DE's with ASC/DSC/PSM enabled until my car/tires/brain all have a chance to warm up. I also leave all that stuff on for street driving. Graeme -----Original Message----- From: Kent L. Shephard [mailto:kents@kls-consulting.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:12 PM To: E36M3 Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:10:52 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing Smart A&*!! 8-) No seriously. I know how ASC works. I understand that. I know all about the aux. throttle body, etc. I just didn't understand what DSC is/was. Kent > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:16:47 -0700 > From: "Weston-Lewis, Graeme" <GWESTON@lsil.com> > Subject: RE: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and Instructing > > Cars with ASC have a button marked "ASC", > Cars with DSC have a button marked "DSC". ;) ;) ;) > > But seriously. I'm pretty sure DSC was not introduced on the 3-series > until the E46 in 2000. > My MY01 X5 has DSC. > > Graeme ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Christopher Bauer
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:26:31 -0600 From: Christopher Bauer <chrisbauer@vzavenue.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly this is also the method i employed when reinstalling my transmission. I just used some spray adhesive though, and not superglue. It holds just enough to get the nut started and no loss of skin. Chris ---- Original message ---- >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:11:35 -0500 >From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> >My dealer mechanic says he gets the nuts back on by super gluing them to the >end of his finger. He reaches down under the intake, gets them started and >then yanks them free - ouch! > >I suggested he charge for new skin under "shop supplies." > >Neil