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#1. Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly Last Xmas I put together a winter celebration holiday list (sensitivity training does work) that included this: http://www.griotsgarage.com/catalog.jsp?L1=L1_2000&L2=L2_2050&SKU=50558 I figured I'd need it at some point. Sounds like this may do the trick in the scenario described here (although, frankly I didn't read all that stuff :-)) Jason --- Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) > From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly > > I think in Jim Powell's writeup, he superglued them > to his latex glove. A bit > smarter :) That super glue is nasty stuff....did I > ever share the story of > shooting super glue into my eye? :) > > Chester > glad he was wearing contacts at the time... > > --- Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> wrote: > > My dealer mechanic says he gets the nuts back on > by super gluing them to the > > end of his finger. He reaches down under the > intake, gets them started and > > then yanks them free - ouch! > > > > I suggested he charge for new skin under "shop > supplies." > > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >
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#2. Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Gerry Low
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:46:00 -0500 From: Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Roy, I am very serious. The cars are much faster than ever and the drivers are the same. Driver attitude may even be worst as they expect to be able to go fast because they have a fast car. Today's DSC is very very good. "A" students should be able to run without it but "B" to "D" need it to give them (and you) a chance to live to see another track day. Again small mistakes with todays extremely fast cars are resulting in more incidents than ever. The ability to handle a car well is the result of experience and mistakes along the way. We have give drivers a chance to explore the limits of their cars with the safety of DSC. Gerry Gerry Roy: > Gerry, > > Really? With the DSC on? Are you being facetious or serious? > > The DSC, IMHO, will only serve to further mask the behaviour of the > car on the track and give the student a stronger sense of > invincibility as the car will save him/her 100% of the time. In a > downpour (as we've experienced at Mosport or Tremblant before) is a > different story, but in dry conditions, the DSC won't really let the > student learn anything, again IMHO. > > -- > Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > > On 11/17/05, Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> wrote: > > Roy, > > The DSC should be left on. > > Gerry > > > > Roy Kao said: > > So here's a question: how do we as instructors adapt to these ever faster cars to better instruct students of all levels to make sure that both we and the students get to go home in one piece after a school?
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#3. How long will you keep your E36 M3? - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:47:39 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: How long will you keep your E36 M3? Just curious, with the recent talk about E30s and E36s. How long do you expect to keep your E36 M3? I have had my '96 M3 for 7.5 years, and intend to keep it FOREVER. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams
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#4. Clutch R&R - Reassembly - from Neil Maller
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:53:48 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Clutch R&R - Reassembly And now the much more fun part: putting it all back together. 1) Taking the pressure plate/clutch disk/flywheel off and installing the new one is straightforward. In addition to carefully 2-stage torquing the flywheel bolts I used plenty of hi-temp threadlocker on them and on the pressure plate bolts. 2) When tightening the pressure plate bolts with the clutch alignment tool in place there's a fair amount of radial play in the clutch disk position. My friend Ken Price (who also came up with the alignment stud idea) says to push the alignment tool to either extreme, note the results and select an approximate mid-position, then tighten the bolts there. Good idea. 3) While the transmission is out of the car, slip it into 4th or 5th gear. You'll see why in step #5 below. 4) I installed the two M12 alignment studs I'd made (and used during disassembly) on either side of the engine and used them to help guide the transmission back. They *really* help line up the bell housing with the engine block. Once the two get close enough you can use the other bolts to draw the two together. 5) But first you have to get the splines on the transmission input shaft and the clutch disk rotated into the right position for engagement. By putting the transmission in gear you can turn its output shaft by hand until the two engage. Easier than turning the engine. 6) I was able to use the more compact 3/8" drive long extension to tighten the bolts, since less force is needed than for removal. My starter has the threaded body so that part was no problem. 7) Once you get the transmission and engine mated and bolted together its time to remount the clutch slave cylinder and test for proper clutch action before going any further. You never know... Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!
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#5. Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? - from Jon Phillips
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:59:37 -0800 From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? Pretty much forever. Only a serious mechnical problem -- something like an engine or tranny, something whose repair costs would be equal to the total value of the car -- would compell me to drop the E36. But that's only because the car been retired from track driving. If it were still my track car, I might even fix the engine. =) And if the the car did somehow die, I would not buy an E36 M3 as a replacement. Would very likely go the Evo route. on 11/18/2005 1:51 PM Stan Shaw said the following: >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:47:39 -0500 >From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> >Subject: How long will you keep your E36 M3? > >Just curious, with the recent talk about E30s and E36s. How long do you >expect to keep your E36 M3? > > >
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#6. Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Jason Knight
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:01:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Knight <knight2244@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Do you know for a fact that there are more incidents, or is this just a feeling you have? I figure one car per weekend will get wadded, just going on what I see at NASA events I've attended over the past 4 or 5 years. The number doesn't seem to change. But it is usually a "fast" car. Jason --- Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> wrote: > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:46:00 -0500 > From: Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> > Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the > Matrix > Again small mistakes with todays extremely fast cars > are resulting in more incidents than ever. The > ability to handle a car well is the result of > experience and mistakes along the way.
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#7. Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? - from arionatof@comcast.net
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:06:28 +0000 From: arionatof@comcast.net Subject: Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? Pretty much the same for me. It is a 98 and almost 110K miles. I hope I can have it reach 200K miles at least. -Johnny 98 M3/4 ~108K miles -- mailto:mclee@ieee.org > From: Jon Phillips <jphillips@futurenetworkusa.com> > > Pretty much forever. Only a serious mechnical problem -- something like > an engine or tranny, something whose repair costs would be equal to the > total value of the car -- would compell me to drop the E36. > > But that's only because the car been retired from track driving. If it > were still my track car, I might even fix the engine. =) > > And if the the car did somehow die, I would not buy an E36 M3 as a > replacement. Would very likely go the Evo route. > > on 11/18/2005 1:51 PM Stan Shaw said the following: > > > >Just curious, with the recent talk about E30s and E36s. How long do you > >expect to keep your E36 M3?
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#8. Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? - from Raza Uddin
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:15:54 -0800 From: Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? I have yet to find another car that blends performance, practicality, luxury, and SEDATE styling (no Evos or STis for me) for me to consider upgrading. Eventually, I'll get an E46 M3, but I doubt I'll ever get rid of my E36 M3/4. Drive Safely, Raza
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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly - from marco
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:28:20 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly yikes! I saw an add somewhere the other day for gloves that have magnetic finger tips - those maybe less painful for him. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Neil Maller [mailto:neil.maller@gte.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:12 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:09:29 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Clutch R&R - Disassembly on 11/18/05 2:20 PM, marco at m3driver@iname.com wrote: > Great write-up - only thing I would add is a impact wrench makes getting the > starter bolts on the early cars out fairly easy. Starting the bolts onto > the nuts is another story - what I did was use some super glue to hold the > nuts in place, CAREFULLY started the starter bolts, and then snugged them > down with the impact wrench set to it's lowest setting. My dealer mechanic says he gets the nuts back on by super gluing them to the end of his finger. He reaches down under the intake, gets them started and then yanks them free - ouch! I suggested he charge for new skin under "shop supplies." Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix - from Peter Fanning
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:32:12 -0800 From: Peter Fanning <pbfanning@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix Yes, with the DSC on. It's a great learning tool. My $0.02? The DSC will help keep the inexperienced student from spinning or going agricultural. As an instructor you can point out to the student that the traction control is doing their work. Ask the student why the traction control is activating. When they can answer that question move to the next objective. Still keep the traction control on but have the student work to NOT engage the traction control or just engage the first level. IF they can keep the car quick and consistent, know why the traction control would active AND have the feel to know when the traction control will activate then turn off the traction control and start working on feeling the car move, slip angles and slide management (ba careful to pick your corner). You can teach smooth, consistent, vision, weight management and feeling/awareness with the traction control on. Most novice/intermediate students engage traction control due to everything BUT consciously applied maximum grip. OK, so that was $0.10. Peter Fanning '95 318ti '98 M3/4 '03 530i At 07:51 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:37:00 -0500 >From: Roy Kao <royckao@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: Re: [E36M3] E36M3 Twitchy E30 and the Matrix > >Gerry, > >Really? With the DSC on? Are you being facetious or serious? > >The DSC, IMHO, will only serve to further mask the behaviour of the >car on the track and give the student a stronger sense of >invincibility as the car will save him/her 100% of the time. In a >downpour (as we've experienced at Mosport or Tremblant before) is a >different story, but in dry conditions, the DSC won't really let the >student learn anything, again IMHO. > >-- >Roy - '99 M3 Estoril Blue > >On 11/17/05, Gerry Low <gerry@parallel-mkt.com> wrote: > > Roy, > > The DSC should be left on. > > Gerry > > > > Roy Kao said: > > So here's a question: how do we as instructors adapt to these > ever faster cars to better instruct students of all levels to make > sure that both we and the students get to go home in one piece after a school? > > > > > >
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#11. RE: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? - from twisty M3
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Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:36:10 -0800 From: "twisty M3" <twistym3@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] How long will you keep your E36 M3? I've had my '99 for 5 years and 4 months. With 155K miles, TONS of rock chips on the hood and heavy track usage, I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy it... Plus the fact that I can't imagine EVER wanting to sell it. At this rate, it's on a very slow journey towards IP or track-only status anyway, but I'd consider a lower mileage sample for daily use when that happens too. Possibly the same color too, so no one would really pick up on the fact that I have two of the same. Think about the benefits of always having a parts car sitting around. ;) Jonathan L. << From: Stan Shaw Just curious, with the recent talk about E30s and E36s. How long do you expect to keep your E36 M3? I have had my '96 M3 for 7.5 years, and intend to keep it FOREVER! >>