E36M3 #4569

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 13:59:42

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: Tranny Leak - from Neil Maller
#2. Re:Mid-Body Coolant leak? - from Tom Eby
#3. FS: Set of 4 17x8.5 BMW M Double Spoke rims - from Vadim Dubinsky
#4. Red line Oils - from Marc Plante
#5. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jim Bassett
#6. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jay Hudson
#7. Why not Prestone? - from Carl Stern
#8. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jim Bassett
#9. RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? - from Patrick Goss - PA
#10. RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? - from Chester Wong
#11. Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? - from Marc Plante

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#1. Re: Tranny Leak - from Neil Maller
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:53:50 -0500 From: Neil Maller <neil.maller@gte.net> Subject: Re: Tranny Leak on 11/28/05 2:29 PM, Raza Uddin <raza.uddin@gmail.com> wrote: > With the car in the air, I was able to pinpoint the leak to the reverse > switch, as it is covered in fluid. Is there a rubber seal on the switch > that needs replacement? Does this require a whole new switch or a > replacement gasket/seal? It's part #8 here: <http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=BG93&mospid=47488&btnr=23_012 5&hg=23&fg=15> which shows no sealing washer or gasket. You could try removing it and cleaning the threads and mounting area then reinstalling, or applying a *single* wrap of teflon pipe tape to help seal the threads. (More tape may impair the switch's ability to make a good ground connection, which it likely needs.) Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD!

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#2. Re:Mid-Body Coolant leak? - from Tom Eby
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:05:59 -0800 From: "Tom Eby" <thomaseby@hotmail.com> Subject: Re:Mid-Body Coolant leak? Leaking heater core --awesome.</sarcasm> Yeah, I'll be tackling this on DIY: anyone have BTDT tips? Appears the list archive search is having a rough few days --won't let me past the first page of search results. As opposed to the core, I wonder if the lines connecting to the core be the source of the leak? Or better yet, a $0.75 o-ring? It appears from the diagram over at www.realoem.com there's a single socket-head cap screw (or similar) holding a flange and the inlet/outlet lines; I wonder if the core is ok, but the lines are loose? Any thoughts on tricks for a more accurate diagnosis of the culprit prior to a full teardown? -tom eby 96 M3 74 02 > -------------------- 5 -------------------- > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 22:05:40 -0800 > From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> > Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Mid-Body Coolant leak? > > that "sock" is from the heater core, but I thought it was to drain a/c > condensate. If you're actually getting coolant out of it I'm guessing your > heater core is leaking. > > yuck. not a fun DIY job. > > Marco

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#3. FS: Set of 4 17x8.5 BMW M Double Spoke rims - from Vadim Dubinsky
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:37:14 -0800 From: "Vadim Dubinsky" <dubinsky@cyberdude.com> Subject: FS: Set of 4 17x8.5 BMW M Double Spoke rims If you're interested in these, please email me directly dubinsky@cyberdude.com. I don't read the digest regularly. Thanks. http://www.craigslist.org/pen/pts/113999185.html -- ___________________________________________________ Play 100s of games for FREE! http://games.mail.com/

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#4. Red line Oils - from Marc Plante
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:40 -0500 From: Marc Plante <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Red line Oils Could someone give me a quick refresher on the specific redline oils recommended for Tranny and Diff on an E36M3 Not sure if there's a difference in the diffs across model years (No ASC?) I'm planning on doing two cars. 1) 1995 2) 1997 I believe that ATF is the proper flid for the tranny. Can someone confirm? For the Diff, which of the 75-90 products should I be getting? Also, I don't have Bentley handy. Does anyone know the capacities of the top of their heads? thanks Marc Plante 1997 E36 M3/4 Vienna, VA

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#5. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:25:50 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils On Tue, November 29, 2005 11:09 am, Marc Plante said: > I'm planning on doing two cars. > > 1) 1995 > 2) 1997 > > I believe that ATF is the proper flid for the tranny. Can someone confirm? D4 ATF, actually. Althought he earlier cars *may* have been spec'd with MTL, but I'm not sure. I've been using D4 ATF in the 1998 M3. > For the Diff, which of the 75-90 products should I be getting? 75W-90. > Also, I don't have Bentley handy. Does anyone know the capacities of the > top of their heads? Less than 2 quarts for each. Trans is slightly less than the diff. 1.3 vs 1.8 quarts, or something similar. Have fun (old diff fluid smells NASTY :-)). Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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#6. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jay Hudson
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:30:12 -0800 From: "Jay Hudson" <jwhud@budget.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils Redline makes 3 products for the tranny. D4-ATF, MTL and MT-90. For a street car, the D4-ATF is probably the way to go. I've tried all three and prefer D4-ATF for smoother shifts in cold weather. For heavy track use, one of the others may be more appropriate. For an M3, with a limited slip rearend, you want a product that has a special additive. Their 75w90 gear oil has this. That's what I use. Jay > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:40 -0500 > From: Marc Plante <marcva@gmail.com> > Subject: Red line Oils > > Could someone give me a quick refresher on the specific redline oils > recommended for Tranny and Diff on an E36M3 Not sure if there's a > difference > in the diffs across model years (No ASC?) > > I'm planning on doing two cars. > > 1) 1995 > 2) 1997 > > I believe that ATF is the proper flid for the tranny. Can someone confirm? > > For the Diff, which of the 75-90 products should I be getting? > > Also, I don't have Bentley handy. Does anyone know the capacities of the > top of their heads? > > thanks > > Marc Plante > 1997 E36 M3/4 > Vienna, VA

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#7. Why not Prestone? - from Carl Stern
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:53 -0700 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: Why not Prestone? I think most people consider Prestone anti-freeze to be a quality product. I've used it in all my vehicles, except my M3. The new stuff claims to work with all color antifreezes, costs about $9/gallon, and aluminum motors and heads are quite common place these days. None of my other vehicles have had cooling problems in 20 years, except for a couple of Ford thermostats. Considering the rate at which BMWs consume water pumps, thermostats and housings, radiators and necks, I don't really think the orange BMW coolant mix is doing us any favors. So what's the deal? Why should I continue using it for twice the price? Carl

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:47:13 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line Oils On Tue, November 29, 2005 11:39 am, Jay Hudson said: > For a > street car, the D4-ATF is probably the way to go. I've tried all three > and > prefer D4-ATF for smoother shifts in cold weather. For heavy track use, > one > of the others may be more appropriate. Ditto, and just to expand on my comment, I use MTL in the race car for it's slightly better protection. And even though I drive it to/from the track, I'm not so concerned with balky cold shifts (as I am in the street car). Another 2 cents, Jim Bassett

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#9. RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? - from Patrick Goss - PA
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 13:50:39 -0600 From: "Patrick Goss - PA" <Patrick_Goss@GMACM.COM> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? I think the big push on bmw and antifreeze is to use something without phosphates in it, at least that is what the Bentley manual said stating it can damage the cooling system.... I used normal stuff avail at pep boys etc and just checked the ingredients on the back. Sure enough, some had phos and others did not. Seemed the longer duration/pre-blended stuff didn't have phos and all others did. I think I used peak pre-blended 5 year stuff at 7.99 a gallon. So yeah I paid for water, but everything else had phos in it and well I am sure the blend is right. BTW follow the bleed procedure. Bentley procedure worked flawlessly for me! Patrick Goss 97 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: Carl Stern [mailto:carl.stern@xilinx.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:40 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:31:53 -0700 From: Carl Stern <carl.stern@xilinx.com> Subject: Why not Prestone? I think most people consider Prestone anti-freeze to be a quality product. I've used it in all my vehicles, except my M3. The new stuff claims to work with all color antifreezes, costs about $9/gallon, and aluminum motors and heads are quite common place these days. None of my other vehicles have had cooling problems in 20 years, except for a couple of Ford thermostats. Considering the rate at which BMWs consume water pumps, thermostats and housings, radiators and necks, I don't really think the orange BMW coolant mix is doing us any favors. So what's the deal? Why should I continue using it for twice the price? Carl ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? - from Chester Wong
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] Why not Prestone? I haven't checked recently, but I'm able to get the BMW antifreeze for about $15 for the gallon. At that price and the maintenance cycle (I try to do it once a year), debating about using BMW vs. non-factory is purely academic, IMO. Chester

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#11. Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? - from Marc Plante
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Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:52:19 -0500 From: Marc Plante <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? Just wanted to clarify that I just need the 75-90 diff fluid and not the "NS" formulation. Thanks, Marc On 11/29/05, Jay Hudson <jwhud@budget.net> wrote: > > Redline makes 3 products for the tranny. D4-ATF, MTL and MT-90. For a > street car, the D4-ATF is probably the way to go. I've tried all three > and > prefer D4-ATF for smoother shifts in cold weather. For heavy track use, > one > of the others may be more appropriate. > > For an M3, with a limited slip rearend, you want a product that has a > special additive. Their 75w90 gear oil has this. That's what I use. > > Jay > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 14:04:40 -0500 > > From: Marc Plante <marcva@gmail.com> > > Subject: Red line Oils > > > > Could someone give me a quick refresher on the specific redline oils > > recommended for Tranny and Diff on an E36M3 Not sure if there's a > > difference > > in the diffs across model years (No ASC?) > > > > I'm planning on doing two cars. > > > > 1) 1995 > > 2) 1997 > > > > I believe that ATF is the proper flid for the tranny. Can someone > confirm? > > > > For the Diff, which of the 75-90 products should I be getting? > > > > Also, I don't have Bentley handy. Does anyone know the capacities of > the > > top of their heads? > > > > thanks > > > > Marc Plante > > 1997 E36 M3/4 > > Vienna, VA > >

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