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#1. Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! - from Gary
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:53:17 -0600 From: "Gary" <probikeguy@probikeusa.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! Mine flex's . Watch the pedal as you push it. It mine flex's to the left as I push down. You can put your foot on the pedal and move the pedal. I have brass bushings in mine. All the E36 cars I have looked at do the same thing. I think I am going to make one out of aluminum to se if I like it, and paint it black... Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Howton" <jhowton@gmail.com> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 10:23:39 -0600 From: Jamie Howton <jhowton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! On 11/30/05, Chester Wong <chester_p_wong@yahoo.com> wrote: > Are you sure it's the clutch pedal and not the bushings in the clutch > pedal? I > have a Ron Stygar modded clutch pedal and it sits there in the 12 o'clock > position. I agree with Chester here, I replaced the bushings on mine with th UUC kit a couple of years ago and it there's no flex in it anymore. -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#2. Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:54:41 -0800 From: Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? On 11/30/05, Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> wrote: > Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 08:32:25 -0800 (PST) > From: Rich Dorffer <e36m3digest@ameritech.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? > > > From: Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> > > > This statement is fascinating to me, coming from an IRS Mustang > > (Cobra) background. Clutch pack replacement in *street* going Mustangs > > was a necessity, let alone cars used in performance applications. > > Personally, I replaced the clutch packs in my 5-10 OT / year Cobra > > yearly and the clutches were typically used up. > > > > Now, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Ford spec'ed unit was not up > > to the job and required additional maintenance, but I was just > > starting to look into maintenance schedules for the limited slip in my > > new to me 98 M3/4 with 66k miles and determine if I should be > > considering repacking the clutches with my other winter maintenance. > > You plan to remove the differential and completely tear it a part to replace the clutches or the > shims? Do you know where to source those parts? > > > My question becomes, what is a typical maintenance schedule for the > > BMW limited slip? > > Replace the fluid every couple of years or 30,000 miles. BMW differentials are quite robust and > typically overbuilt. The clutches do wear out over time depending on use and maintenance but will > easily last 100k - 300k miles in street cars (and even then, they simply reduce the amount of > limited slip gradually). > > > I'm already planning to replace the fluid yearly at > > the same time as the transmission fluid but when do I need to concern > > myself with the clutches? When they obviously go? > > Pretty much, there is nothing to do with the clutches until that point when you pack up your diff > and send it off to an expert such as Brett Anderson at Koala Motorsport (www.koalamotorsport.com). > > Regards, > > Rich > > Ok, thanks, that's good information. I must admit I'm ignorant about the mechanical differences between the Ford and BMW units and didn't realize that the BMW unit was a major job to refresh. The Ford Trac-Loc unit can be R&R'd by a home mechanic with extreme ease in the non-IRS Cobra application. The IRS Cobras required the removal of the whole rear suspension assembly to get at the diff due to the incredible Ford design.
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#3. Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? - from Gus Iverson
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 09:06:58 -0800 From: Gus Iverson <gus.iverson@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Red line...NS formulation not needed? On 11/30/05, Jack - Elephant Motorsports <jack@elephantmotorsports.com> wrote: > Not surprising. I worked on the Cobra driveline for a little more than a > year. It's done like the rest of the car is done. Which gen Cobra? > > Now, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the Ford spec'ed unit was not up > > to the job and required additional maintenance, but I was just > > starting to look into maintenance schedules for the limited slip in my > > new to me 98 M3/4 with 66k miles and determine if I should be > > considering repacking the clutches with my other winter maintenance. It was a 2001. 4.6 DOHC V8 putting out just about 320 HP. I think that rating was radically optimistic on Ford's part and that it was closer to 305 based on the dyno runs I did. My first real sports car, it got me into open track events. It performed adequately. The IRS made the car much better handling more or less stock, with springs and shocks replaced, than the stick-axle cars. No snap oversteer but plenty of understeer. With track tires and a decent alignment, I was about as fast as most of the folks out there running real sports cars on track tires. This was mostly down to driver comfort, I believe. Now that I have my 98 M3 which replaced the Cobra I can see how much better a car can - and should - be. The M will be much easier to drive faster than I do now, once I get more comfortable with the car's handling characteristics. Gus
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#4. RE: Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! - from Don Eilenberger
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:13:23 -0500 From: Don Eilenberger <deilenberger@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! At 11:59 AM 11/30/2005, you wrote: >SO am I the only one who can't stand the crappy plastic clutch pedal? > >Thing moves around like Jell-O! I think I am going to make one out of >something else.. > >Gary UUC's replacement bushings are a good answer to this - my pedal is fine once they are were installed. Bit of a PITA to install, but the same PITA as replacing the pedal and a whole bunch less of a pita than engineering and manufacturing your own replacement. See: http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_product/clutch_arm_bushings/ Don Eilenberger, AKA SquidBOOF, Spring Lk Hts, NJ JMP#1 FOT2.A deilenberger@verizon.net NJ Shore BMW Riders web page: http://www.njsbmwr.org/ Moderator - BMW E39 Enthusiasts: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bmwe39 "One should do the stuff that makes you smile" - Ulf Bertilsson Hence: 1998 M3 convertible, 2003 5-touring, 1987 K75S
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#5. Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! - from Reid Conti
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:35:06 -0800 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! You outta get that checked out, and if necessary, get a refund. My clutch pedal is usually in the proper 6 o'clock position ;) I guess it all depends on how bad the clutch pedal is. I never replaced bushings in my 95 M3, and now in the 'coupe, the pedal feels about the same. I managed to get it to slip off the left side of the (factory) clutch stop by standing on the pedal to lift myself out of the seat as i was reaching for something in my back pocket... but other than that, it barely moves. I frankly don't notice any side-to-side movement in driving.. not enough to warrant a replacement, at least! Plus if you have an aftermarket clutch stop, it's even less of a worry as you don't press the pedal down as far... - reid > Are you sure it's the clutch pedal and not the bushings in the clutch pedal? I > have a Ron Stygar modded clutch pedal and it sits there in the 12 o'clock > position. > > Chester
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#6. Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! - from mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:29:02 -0500 From: mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! Yep, the UUC Big Boy clutch stop did the trick for me. Never a problem, or sound for that matter since I installed this 5 years ago. Takes three minutes (one minute to unscrew the OEM stop, and two minutes to screw in and fine tune the position of the UUC stop), and around twenty bucks...now that's what I call a cost effective solution! Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion -----Original Message----- From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> To: E36M3 <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:39:31 -0600 Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 12:35:06 -0800 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! You outta get that checked out, and if necessary, get a refund. My clutch pedal is usually in the proper 6 o'clock position ;) I guess it all depends on how bad the clutch pedal is. I never replaced bushings in my 95 M3, and now in the 'coupe, the pedal feels about the same. I managed to get it to slip off the left side of the (factory) clutch stop by standing on the pedal to lift myself out of the seat as i was reaching for something in my back pocket... but other than that, it barely moves. I frankly don't notice any side-to-side movement in driving.. not enough to warrant a replacement, at least! Plus if you have an aftermarket clutch stop, it's even less of a worry as you don't press the pedal down as far... - reid > Are you sure it's the clutch pedal and not the bushings in the clutch pedal? I > have a Ron Stygar modded clutch pedal and it sits there in the 12 o'clock > position. > > Chester ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#7. Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 Group -- A group I'm driving with has rented out Thunderhill on Tuesday Dec 6, and are looking for a few more drivers to break even. This is a low-key event, with two run groups of 15 drivers each. There will be LOTS of track time. Open to anyone who has alrerady done a HPDE before. There will be a few instructors on hand to do ride-alongs. Cost is $175 for the day. Please get in touch with Phillip at 408-371-3455 or castrep@earthlink.net. -zs
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#8. Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! - from Reid Conti
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:09:05 -0800 From: Reid Conti <reid@conti.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Crappy plastic clutch pedal!! I think I used a UUC one on the M3. To be honest, here's why I haven't put a clutch stop in my M Coupe, although I may reconsider. I adjusted my stop so that the engagement point was *just* above the stop point. The problem was, as the transmission got hot (and especially on warm days, 70-80+ in Seattle), the engagement point got closer and closer to the stop, and sometimes the tranny would grind or not want to engage. Sure, I could back it off a bit, but then I'd have a bit of travel before it engages while cold, and would engage just off the stop when hot. Now I never notice the clutch travel difference cold/hot without a stop (because they're within a margin of error that is too difficult to feel on that long a pedal travel), but you DO notice it with the stop. Furthermore, if anyone drives my car (very, very rare), they'd stall it with the clutch stop. And if I drive any other manual transmission car, I keep revving the engine too hard and slipping the clutch too much. So all in all, it seemed like it didn't really benefit me in driving my car (nice to have shorter pedal travel I guess, but not nice to have grinding and such), but decreased my performance in other cars, and the performance of others in my car. Comments? - reid > Yep, the UUC Big Boy clutch stop did the trick for me. Never a problem, or > sound for that matter since I installed this 5 years ago. Takes three > minutes (one minute to unscrew the OEM stop, and two minutes to screw in and > fine tune the position of the UUC stop), and around twenty bucks...now > that's what I call a cost effective solution!
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#9. RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 - from marco
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:21:50 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: RE: [e36m3] [E36M3] Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 Your problems are that 1) It's gonna rain ;-) 2) Practically every swinging %^&* that would be interested in this event will have just spent 3 days up there doing this http://www.nasa25hour.com/ as a driver or crew. seriously - I'll pass the word around. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Zack Steinkamp [mailto:thenobot@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:10 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:02:13 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Private Track Day at Thunderhill Raceway (CA) Dec 6 Group -- A group I'm driving with has rented out Thunderhill on Tuesday Dec 6, and are looking for a few more drivers to break even. This is a low-key event, with two run groups of 15 drivers each. There will be LOTS of track time. Open to anyone who has alrerady done a HPDE before. There will be a few instructors on hand to do ride-alongs. Cost is $175 for the day. Please get in touch with Phillip at 408-371-3455 or castrep@earthlink.net. -zs ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************
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#10. M Coupe I-Stock Race Car FS - from dhogg
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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:32:06 -0500 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: M Coupe I-Stock Race Car FS Steve Marcus is selling his beautiful blue I-Stock M Coupe racer with the "old" 3.2-liter US-only engine. This car whooped up on the rest of the IS field at the VIR Octoberfest race by more than two seconds and posted the fastest lap time ever at VIR by an IS car in BMW CCA Club Racing at 2:15.86 (It was driven by Rob Mau, which I'm sure made a big difference, but still, the car can fly). It's as stock as I've seen in a race car, and without the few stickers on the side it would be quite streetable. The full interior is in tact including the trunk carpet and it doesn't even have an aftermarket intake! Jeez! Even the original factory paint looks nice. Steve wants to get $22K for it. If you're interested, contact him directly (I'm only posting as a victim of the car for a friend who owns it) at info@marcus-motorsports.com Dave Hogg IS #20 (Second at VIR Oktoberfest Enduro if you must know)