E36M3 #4597

Thursday, December 15, 2005 13:39:33

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Front Control Arms - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
#2. re front control arms - from Vince Leo
#3. RE: Front Control Arms - from Burgess, Kim L
#4. control arms - from Jim
#5. RE: Front Control Arms - from Ahmad Lutfeali
#6. Re: coupe windows? - from Marc Plante
#7. Bosch spark plug update - from Jim Bassett
#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: coupe windows? - from Jim Bassett
#9. Re: [E36M3] Window Problem - '97 Coupe - from Kent L. Shephard
#10. RE: [E36M3] Brake Replacement - from Spencer Fong

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#1. Re: [E36M3] Front Control Arms - from Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:19:10 -0500 From: Carlos.F.Lopez@jci.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] Front Control Arms >NOTE: Safety is a priority, so if the M3 ones by any chance are >stronger/sturdier I would go with them. But if the real difference between >the E36 regular and the M3 control arms is just tiny bit of weight, I >couldn't care less. The regular E36 control arms have rubber mounted ball joints, and the outer ball joint is replaceable. The M3 ones IMO are much, much, better and would be the only thing I'd want in a race car. I would go as far as saying I wouldn't want an E30 M3 control arm in my E36 M3. Why put a part on a car that is known for failed ball joints? If you're a mod racer and you *need* every ounce of weight reduction and you're strict about replacing them *then* I would use them. >Is anyone out there running the standard arm on the M3? I'm sure there are but I personally would never consider this. -Carlos 98 M3

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#2. re front control arms - from Vince Leo
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) From: Vince Leo <m332is@yahoo.com> Subject: re front control arms Ahmed, On my e36 325 race car I used the stock e30 325 control arms. they are the cheapest (even cheaper than e36 parts) and have less rubber vibration reducing material. For me, the weight savings for alum was not worth the cost diff especially since I was replacing them every year to be safe. Vince **************** I will be replacing my control arms (front) since its been a little over 2 years and the car sees a lot of track (safety rather than any performance gains -if any- here). At present I have the E30 Aluminum ones on my car. Under the I Stock rules, I cannot use these anyways. While looking at the E36 M3 steel ones, I also came across the regular 3 series control arms. Called up a few sources and was told "you can definitely run the regular E36 arms on your M3, in fact lot of people actually do" The part numbers are different. I would like to know what 'real' difference is between the two (Regular E36 arms vs. M3 arms). NOTE: Safety is a priority, so if the M3 ones by any chance are stronger/sturdier I would go with them. But if the real difference between the E36 regular and the M3 control arms is just tiny bit of weight, I couldn't care less. Is anyone out there running the standard arm on the M3? Thanks in advance. Ahmad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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#3. RE: Front Control Arms - from Burgess, Kim L
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:16:08 -0800 From: "Burgess, Kim L" <kim.l.burgess@boeing.com> Subject: RE: Front Control Arms Ahmad - I believe the run-of-the-mill control arms have replaceable ball joints where the M3 control arms have larger (more robust) non-replaceable ones. I guess your choice, but I'll continue to run with M-arms. KLBurgess -------------------- 10 -------------------- From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Front Control Arms - Group,I will be replacing my control arms (front) since its been a little over 2 years and the car sees a lot of track (safety rather than any performance gains -if any- here). At present I have the E30 Aluminum ones on my car. Under the I Stock rules, I cannot use these anyways. While looking at the E36 M3 steel ones, I also came across the regular 3 series control arms. Called up a few sources and was told "you can definitely run the regular E36 arms on your M3, infact lot of people actually do" The part numbers are different. I would like to know what 'real' difference is between the two (Regular E36 arms vs. M3 arms). NOTE: Safety is a priority, so if the M3 ones by any chance are stronger/sturdier I would go with them. But if the real difference between the E36 regular and the M3 control arms is just tiny bit of weight, I couldn't care less. Is anyone out there running the standard arm on the M3? Thanks in advance. Ahmad

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#4. control arms - from Jim
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 08:30:38 -0800 From: Jim <rx3sp@lanset.com> Subject: control arms "You can definitely run the regular E36 arms on your M3, infact lot of people actually do" Thats really, really dumb. (Really, really, really, really dumb) The e36 arm has a squishy rubber bushing in the arm, that the ball joint sits into. The M3 specific arm is solid mounted. -- Jay Morris

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#5. RE: Front Control Arms - from Ahmad Lutfeali
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:53:31 -0500 From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Front Control Arms Thanks folks, I'll get the M3 ones. Just wanted to know the difference :) A.L. -----Original Message----- From: Burgess, Kim L [mailto:kim.l.burgess@boeing.com] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:16 AM To: E36M3 Cc: m3_racer99@hotmail.com Subject: RE: Front Control Arms Ahmad - I believe the run-of-the-mill control arms have replaceable ball joints where the M3 control arms have larger (more robust) non-replaceable ones. I guess your choice, but I'll continue to run with M-arms. KLBurgess -------------------- 10 -------------------- From: "Ahmad Lutfeali" <m3_racer99@hotmail.com> Subject: Front Control Arms - Group,I will be replacing my control arms (front) since its been a little over 2 years and the car sees a lot of track (safety rather than any performance gains -if any- here). At present I have the E30 Aluminum ones on my car. Under the I Stock rules, I cannot use these anyways. While looking at the E36 M3 steel ones, I also came across the regular 3 series control arms. Called up a few sources and was told "you can definitely run the regular E36 arms on your M3, infact lot of people actually do" The part numbers are different. I would like to know what 'real' difference is between the two (Regular E36 arms vs. M3 arms). NOTE: Safety is a priority, so if the M3 ones by any chance are stronger/sturdier I would go with them. But if the real difference between the E36 regular and the M3 control arms is just tiny bit of weight, I couldn't care less. Is anyone out there running the standard arm on the M3? Thanks in advance. Ahmad

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#6. Re: coupe windows? - from Marc Plante
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:11:29 -0500 From: Marc Plante <marcva@gmail.com> Subject: Re: coupe windows? Um...I know there's a breaker in the desh just below and to the right of the sedans for the windows that pops out and needs to be reset from time to time. Is there one in the coupes? It's a vertical recangular button about the size of a medium bandaid. Marc Plante E36 M3/4 67k E36 325i 230k (sold) Vienna, VA

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#7. Bosch spark plug update - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:17:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Bosch spark plug update Hi All, Just an FYI, Bosch has updated the spark plug that is the stock plug for the M50 325 (and I believe the same is used in the '95 M3). The F7LDCR is superceded by the FR7LDC+. My mechanic kept getting sent the latter when he was ordering the former, so I called Bosch USA, and confirmed the change. Basically replacing a copper-electrode plug with a yttrium-electrode one. (FWIW, a similar change occured with the plug for the OBD-II M3 a while back: FGR8KQC to FGR8KQE.) Cheers, Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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#8. Re: [E36M3] Re: coupe windows? - from Jim Bassett
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <jim@jimbassett.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Re: coupe windows? On Thu, December 15, 2005 10:19 am, Marc Plante said: > Um...I know there's a breaker in the desh just below and to the right of > the > sedans for the windows that pops out and needs to be reset from time to > time. Is there one in the coupes? It's a vertical recangular button > about > the size of a medium bandaid. There is? I know there's one on E30s, but I don't think there is for E36s. Can you be more specific as to where? (I thought I knew everything about my car - maybe not :-)) Jim Bassett 1998 M3/4 1993 325is #44 JP

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#9. Re: [E36M3] Window Problem - '97 Coupe - from Kent L. Shephard
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Kent L. Shephard" <kents@kls-consulting.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] Window Problem - '97 Coupe Hi, Issue solved. My E30 M3 was more complex and had a breaker and relay in the system. My older 530i also had a breaker and relay in the system. New e36; no breaker in the system, no relay. 30 amp fuse blown. Doh!!!!!! Probably the original fuse that came with the car. THe one fuse I had not gotten rid of in my swap of all the fuses about 6 months ago. Windows now working. Martin Bullen wrote: > Kent, > > If they're both not working, I'd try reinitialising the windows. > The procedure is in the manual, but I vaguely recall something about > winding the window down, then up, and holding the switch for 10 > seconds or so. > -- "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson "It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity." - Albert Einstein

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#10. RE: [E36M3] Brake Replacement - from Spencer Fong
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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:34:50 +0000 From: sk99m3@comcast.net (Spencer Fong) Subject: RE: [E36M3] Brake Replacement Thanks to everyone for all the advice. The primary reason for the brake work is to switch to a "cleaner" pad; the new discs are "might as well" items. I'll inspect the rubber parts, but I suspect they are okay for now. This isn't a track car yet. I was planning on making a CCA event or one at Thunderhill this year, but the timing wasn't right. Maybe next year. -spencer 1999 M3

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