E36M3 #4612

Saturday, January 07, 2006 13:49:04

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#1. Re: Seats? - from dhogg
#2. [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT - from marco
#3. JTD Underpanl - from Stan Shaw
#4. RE: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from jsp98m3
#5. Re: [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT - from jmihal@jt-designs.com
#6. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Bruce
#7. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Bruce
#8. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Mdriver13@aol.com
#9. CD Changer Jam - from Matthew Teel
#10. Re: [E36M3] CD Changer Jam - from Zack Steinkamp

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#1. Re: Seats? - from dhogg
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:05:06 -0500 From: "dhogg" <dhogg@suscom.net> Subject: Re: Seats? Roy, You may want to wait on the coilovers and run in I-Stock first. If you go IP, you'll probably want to do cams with revised engine mapping. Or not. You can certainly do it the way yore planning. Dave Hogg #20 IS

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#2. [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT - from marco
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:05:08 -0800 From: "marco" <m3driver@iname.com> Subject: [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT I would suggest the rules clarification procedure be used. http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/Racers/Racer_RuleClarification.aspx of course you need to be a club racer to get to that page. My 2 bits is that I doubt the JTD piece has any real aero advantage over the stock undertray. But better safe than sorry when it comes to the rules. The non-M BMW p/n differs from the M p/n which differs from the LWT p/n. They all looked different from each other so the aero wasn't exactly the same from p/n to p/n but I really doubt it makes any real difference. Marco -----Original Message----- From: Peter Vinsel [mailto:pcvinsel@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 2:38 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [e36m3] [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:37:02 -0800 From: "Peter Vinsel" <pcvinsel@pacbell.net> Subject: JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT From the 2006 final rules: Stock section: "7.G. Modifications to the underside of the vehicle for the purpose of improving aerodynamics are not allowed (e.g., diffusers), except for splitters as allowed." Prepared section: No application reference. Modified section: "9.M. Underbody aerodynamic aids are not permitted between the front and rear axles. Undertrays are allowed between the front of the car and the front axles, and rear diffusers/venturi devices are allowed between the rear axle and the rear of the car. Rear underbody aerodynamics must terminate no further back than 1" past the rear of the stock bumper location." Someone raised the point that the the JT-Design under panel could be considered part of the splitter that is specifically allowed in Stock class. That logic falls apart since this undertrays are specifically allowed in Modified. If the rules makers considered undertrays part of a splitter, they would not have specifcally referenced them in Modified. As far as the JT-Design under panel not being an aerodynamic aid, I think the following marketing info on the jt-design.com website would counter that argument: "Performance enthusiast will appreciate the flat panel's ability to accelerate airflow underneath the spoiler. This accelerated airflow creates a low-pressure area under the spoiler, most commonly known as "Downforce"." My interpretation of the 2006 rules is that JT-Design under panels are very clearly not allowed in Stock or Prepared class. pcv ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm *************************************************

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#3. JTD Underpanl - from Stan Shaw
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:42:45 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: JTD Underpanl Pev, The underpanel is NOT between the front and rear axle, it is in front of the front axle. So the rule you present seems to confirm it is ok to use. I agree with Jason. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams

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#4. RE: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from jsp98m3
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:54:11 -0800 From: "jsp98m3" <jsp98m3@apexcone.com> Subject: RE: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl It is not part of the splitter either. It attaches to the bumper for mounting and is neither attached to, nor an extension of, the splitter. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Shaw [mailto:Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:48 PM To: E36M3 Subject: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:42:45 -0500 From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> Subject: JTD Underpanl Pev, The underpanel is NOT between the front and rear axle, it is in front of the front axle. So the rule you present seems to confirm it is ok to use. I agree with Jason. Regards, Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams ************************************************* Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com DIGEST INFORMATION: http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm ************************************************* __________ NOD32 1.1355 (20060106) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com

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#5. Re: [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT - from jmihal@jt-designs.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:43:45 -0800 (PST) From: <jmihal@jt-designs.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JT-Design Under Panel's in CCA Stock/Prepared class - NOT The following statement applies to the stock plastic pieces as well. > "Performance enthusiast will appreciate the flat panel's ability to > accelerate airflow underneath the spoiler. This accelerated airflow > creates a low-pressure area under the spoiler, most commonly known as > "Downforce". Jim

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#6. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Bruce
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:21:11 -0600 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl The rule about not being between the front and rear axles is for MOD class, not for stock and prepared. However, as long as the JTD panel is no larger than the stock plastic parts I don't see why it would be legal. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:48 PM Subject: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:42:45 -0500 > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > Subject: JTD Underpanl > > Pev, > > The underpanel is NOT between the front and rear axle, it is in front of > the > front axle. So the rule you present seems to confirm it is ok to use. > > I agree with Jason. > > > Regards, > Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net > Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 > Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ > 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ > 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ > > "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#7. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Bruce
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:06:46 -0600 From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl Correction... However, as long as the JTD panel is no larger than the stock plastic parts I don't see why it would NOT be legal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:21:11 -0600 > From: "Bruce" <gobuffs93@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl > > The rule about not being between the front and rear axles is for MOD > class, not for stock and prepared. However, as long as the JTD panel is > no larger than the stock plastic parts I don't see why it would be legal. > > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> > To: "E36M3" <e36m3@bmw-m.net> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:48 PM > Subject: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl > > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:42:45 -0500 >> From: "Stan Shaw" <Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net> >> Subject: JTD Underpanl >> >> Pev, >> >> The underpanel is NOT between the front and rear axle, it is in front of >> the >> front axle. So the rule you present seems to confirm it is ok to use. >> >> I agree with Jason. >> >> >> Regards, >> Stan Shaw Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net >> Phone: (413) 599-0399 Fax: (413) 599-0421 >> Excell.Net Owner/Operator http://www.Excell.Net/ >> 928 Owners Club President http://www.928OC.org/ >> 928Racing.net Team Member http://www.928Racing.net/ >> >> "Liberty once lost is lost forever." - John Adams >> >> >> >> >> ************************************************* >> Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: >> >> Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com >> Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com >> Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com >> Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com >> Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com >> Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com >> >> DIGEST INFORMATION: >> http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm >> ************************************************* >> >> > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > >

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#8. Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl - from Mdriver13@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:20:00 EST From: Mdriver13@aol.com Subject: Re: [E36M3] JTD Underpanl In a message dated 1/6/2006 6:48:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, Stan.Shaw@Excell.Net writes: The underpanel is NOT between the front and rear axle, it is in front of the front axle. So the rule you present seems to confirm it is ok to use. I would second that, but then I'm bia ;-))! Bob Gill 97 ///M3 coupe (sponsored by WCC & JT Designs) Philly Region SCCA 2005 Philly Region BSP Champion

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#9. CD Changer Jam - from Matthew Teel
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Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:11:36 -0900 From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> Subject: CD Changer Jam Help! I loaded some new CDs into my changer cartridge, inserted into the changer and then I received a CD ERROR message. Now the cartridge won't eject. I can hear the motor attempting an eject but nothing is happening. The cartridge is inserted correctly. Any idea how to manually eject a cartridge? Thanks in advance, Matthew 98 M3/4

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#10. Re: [E36M3] CD Changer Jam - from Zack Steinkamp
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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:40:16 -0800 (PST) From: Zack Steinkamp <thenobot@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [E36M3] CD Changer Jam I encountered a similar problem while working on a friend's X5. If you slide the door of the changer open, and look to the side of the cartridge where the trays slide out into the player mechanism, you will probably see one tray that is "in use" -- pulled out into the player part of the changer. If you use a small flathead screwdriver to try to push the edge of the tray back into the cartridge, you may be able to use the eject button to get the cartridge back out. You don't have to push the tray all the way back in, just jimmying it worked for me. It took me 4-5 tries before it ejected. -zs --- Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> wrote: > Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:11:36 -0900 > From: Matthew Teel <mteel@beluga.com> > Subject: CD Changer Jam > > Help! > > I loaded some new CDs into my changer cartridge, > inserted into the changer > and then I received a CD ERROR message. > > Now the cartridge won't eject. I can hear the motor > attempting an eject but > nothing is happening. The cartridge is inserted > correctly. > > Any idea how to manually eject a cartridge? > > Thanks in advance, > > Matthew > 98 M3/4 > > > > > ************************************************* > Please help support the E36M3 list by visiting our > sponsors: > > Bimmerworld http://www.bimmerworld.com > Turner Motorsport http://www.turnermotorsport.com > Eurosport High Performance > http://www.eurosporthighperformance.com > Rogue Engineering http://www.rogueengineering.com > Treehouse Racing http://www.treehouseracing.com > Elephant Motorsports Inc. > http://www.elephantmotorsports.com > > DIGEST INFORMATION: > http://www.bmw-m.net/resources/digest_info.htm > ************************************************* > > >

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